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jye4ever
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Posters have been great for this movie.
Do I need to have watched Into Darkness to watch this, because I don't want to.
Do I need to have watched Into Darkness to watch this, because I don't want to.
Do I need to have watched Into Darkness to watch this, because I don't want to.
I watched a video review someone did a few days ago and he said that Beyond doesn't seem to reference Into Darkness at all and that it plays as a straight sequel to the 2009 reboot.
Posters have been great for this movie.
Do I need to have watched Into Darkness to watch this, because I don't want to.
No, doesn't have anything to do with it. And I enjoyed Into The Darkness, especially after another viewing. It's really not as bad as people are saying.
Saw it last night. Loved it. Pine finally acted like Kirk. Enjoyed all the crew dynamics, although I felt like Sulu was given the short end of the stick. Loved the callbacks to both Enterprise and the previous KTL movies.
Spoilery discussion:
Spoilery discussion:
There's an odd flub about the Franklin being the 'first warp 4' ship, and it looking less advanced than the Enterprise NX-01, yet being NX-326. The "explain it away fan" answer is that it was an old ship that'd been mothballed, but brought back into service during the Earth/Romulan War and given to Edison after that to kindof just give him something to do, hence it getting a higher number but being older.
I do find Edison's thought process odd, a bit. I get that he wants revenge on the Federation. Totally makes sense. Kindof surprised he was waiting until he got the weapon considering the damage his swarm could do, but I digress. But why go through that whole thing about showing them a better way? What's the better way....war? Isn't the whole point of war to WIN the war and get PEACE? I think this was trying to be some sort of political conversation, but it didn't make a lot of sense to me. Then again, I've never been a soldier in peacetime. I liked the overall message of being stronger when you're together than apart, but Krall's message against it just wasn't clear.
And did Edison just...forget that the Franklin was there? I mean, he must've known where it was. Unless Jaylah somehow moved it before cloaking it. Or did Krall, over the many lifetimes that he sucked out of people, "forget" who he was, just remembering his mission? When he started sucking out of the humans, he definitely became more human in his mannerisms, not just his looks. So could whatever tech he was using impact his mind to make him more like the people he was "sucking" the life out of?
Also, where are all these troops coming from? The translator alien, and Jaylah, indicated they grabbed ships as they went by, and some of them were food and others joined Krall. Ok, cool. But that doesn't explain why all the pilots look like drones. Are they? no way the amount of humans on the Franklin would make up that many people. With the 'different species' explanation, you'd expect them to look more like Davy Jones' crew from POTC.
And is the guy (Minas, I think Jaylah called him) that's Krall's second in command, human too? Doesn't really matter, just made me wonder.
All these things could've been explained easily, of course (I always struggle when a movie has plot holes that could be explained with like a 30 second scene extension. Sigh).
I do find Edison's thought process odd, a bit. I get that he wants revenge on the Federation. Totally makes sense. Kindof surprised he was waiting until he got the weapon considering the damage his swarm could do, but I digress. But why go through that whole thing about showing them a better way? What's the better way....war? Isn't the whole point of war to WIN the war and get PEACE? I think this was trying to be some sort of political conversation, but it didn't make a lot of sense to me. Then again, I've never been a soldier in peacetime. I liked the overall message of being stronger when you're together than apart, but Krall's message against it just wasn't clear.
And did Edison just...forget that the Franklin was there? I mean, he must've known where it was. Unless Jaylah somehow moved it before cloaking it. Or did Krall, over the many lifetimes that he sucked out of people, "forget" who he was, just remembering his mission? When he started sucking out of the humans, he definitely became more human in his mannerisms, not just his looks. So could whatever tech he was using impact his mind to make him more like the people he was "sucking" the life out of?
Also, where are all these troops coming from? The translator alien, and Jaylah, indicated they grabbed ships as they went by, and some of them were food and others joined Krall. Ok, cool. But that doesn't explain why all the pilots look like drones. Are they? no way the amount of humans on the Franklin would make up that many people. With the 'different species' explanation, you'd expect them to look more like Davy Jones' crew from POTC.
And is the guy (Minas, I think Jaylah called him) that's Krall's second in command, human too? Doesn't really matter, just made me wonder.
All these things could've been explained easily, of course (I always struggle when a movie has plot holes that could be explained with like a 30 second scene extension. Sigh).
Its a good movie if you can suspend your disbelief and see Khan portrayed by a seriously pasty dude
Yes, that's just it. I think if they would've just let that go and left him with the name of John Harrison, possibly another member of Khan's crew, it would've went over better. Making him Khan just upset too many people so they automatically hated the movie then.
fosing
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"my name is khan....ola"
Saw it last night. Loved it. Pine finally acted like Kirk. Enjoyed all the crew dynamics, although I felt like Sulu was given the short end of the stick. Loved the callbacks to both Enterprise and the previous KTL movies.
I was quite surprised how much older looking the crew got in 3 years.
Spoilery discussion:
There's an odd flub about the Franklin being the 'first warp 4' ship, and it looking less advanced than the Enterprise NX-01, yet being NX-326. The "explain it away fan" answer is that it was an old ship that'd been mothballed, but brought back into service during the Earth/Romulan War and given to Edison after that to kindof just give him something to do, hence it getting a higher number but being older.
It must be a man thing to remember all this kind of stuff. I can barely remember the different Enterprise numbers.
I do find Edison's thought process odd, a bit. I get that he wants revenge on the Federation. Totally makes sense. Kindof surprised he was waiting until he got the weapon considering the damage his swarm could do, but I digress. But why go through that whole thing about showing them a better way? What's the better way....war? Isn't the whole point of war to WIN the war and get PEACE? I think this was trying to be some sort of political conversation, but it didn't make a lot of sense to me. Then again, I've never been a soldier in peacetime. I liked the overall message of being stronger when you're together than apart, but Krall's message against it just wasn't clear.
Wasn't the weapon used just to absorb people? Maybe it would've left the space station intact whereas the "bees" wouldn't have? Kinda like a dirty bomb.
There were many people who wanted The Federation to be a military group, when they didn't, they had a lot of military with basically nothing to do. I think that Marcus from ST:ID was raised a military man as well. Between having that warring mindset and feeling abandoned, it basically drove Edison nuts, and using the alien tech to keep himself alive by absorbing others (his crew first I feel), and then other aliens, his mind was just warped even more.
Krall being against unity was probably based on his so-called abandonment by the Federation, though his "bees" had to work in unity to be effective.
And did Edison just...forget that the Franklin was there? I mean, he must've known where it was. Unless Jaylah somehow moved it before cloaking it. Or did Krall, over the many lifetimes that he sucked out of people, "forget" who he was, just remembering his mission? When he started sucking out of the humans, he definitely became more human in his mannerisms, not just his looks. So could whatever tech he was using impact his mind to make him more like the people he was "sucking" the life out of?
That's the impression I got since he looked more alien when he was "sucking" aliens.
Also, where are all these troops coming from? The translator alien, and Jaylah, indicated they grabbed ships as they went by, and some of them were food and others joined Krall. Ok, cool. But that doesn't explain why all the pilots look like drones. Are they? no way the amount of humans on the Franklin would make up that many people. With the 'different species' explanation, you'd expect them to look more like Davy Jones' crew from POTC.
Though I can't for the life of me remember what she said, but I think Jayla at one point said what they were. Also, it could just possible be armor of some kind.
And is the guy (Minas, I think Jaylah called him) that's Krall's second in command, human too? Doesn't really matter, just made me wonder.
I'm betting he's one of Edison's original crew.
All these things could've been explained easily, of course (I always struggle when a movie has plot holes that could be explained with like a 30 second scene extension. Sigh).
I've definitely got to see this again. I had something preying on my mind during it and I'm sure I missed little parts.
Cap, look inside your spoiler for some of my thoughts.
fosing
Super Freak
i was gonna check out "the killing joke" playing on select cinemas here...but it's for tomorrow. d'oh.
so i watched this instead. its not bad.
its actually more of a star trek movie than the first 2.
it must be the way of the universe. extending one's lifetime through....
i suppose the **** probes were for an alternate power source they havent cracked yet. lolz
so i watched this instead. its not bad.
its actually more of a star trek movie than the first 2.
it must be the way of the universe. extending one's lifetime through....
sucking; space fellatio
i suppose the **** probes were for an alternate power source they havent cracked yet. lolz
Pretty much what happened for me......and I agree with you - that's what they should have done
jye4ever
Broke and happy
Yeah, but forget Khan for now, I heard the twist ending blows all kinds of chunk.
In ST:ID? That's BS. jye....go to Redbox and rent it. It's really not as bad as a lot of people, who hate that they did reboots anyway, say, especially after seeing it again.
I think JJ wanted to tip his hat to the original crew too much. I think with this movie, it's done.
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Into Darkness is fun. Kaucasian Khan just gave the sheep something to hang their woolen hats on.
Is it true this movie should be called "Star Trek: X-treme"...?
I haven't seen Cumberbatch in very much, but the way he moves his mouth in this is creepy as hell. He is one strange looking dude.
::shudder::
It's too hot outside and I'm bored today.
I have a lot of Facebook Star Trek pages liked and the ones who haven't seen it are thinking it's just a Fast & Furious in space because of the director. It's far from it. There is more action in these reboots, but that's just the way things are now.
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Saw Beyond- ok but not really good to me. I actually started to get heavy-eyed 3/4 way in..just noisy action packed stuff where alot of it was in darkened areas so hard to make out what was going on. Plot was..well pedestrian and villian was a HUGE letdown....really the best they could come up with.?? At least Benedict was far more fearsome and interesting to me.
