Star Trek: Discovery

[Darth Snoopy]

I'm a bad Trekkie, Trekker or whatever.

 

[BeefEaster]

I stopped watching this when they did a groundhog day episode.

That is the most overused and unoriginal episode premise possible, and on top of that their take on it made no sense and was completely pointless.

The amount of plotholes was staggering.

 

[thecapn]

Yeah the episode where they were trying to make enhanced Klingons after the whole incident with Lt. Data creator.... I kind of miss that show....

Me too. The first season was ok, but it got old in Season two. Season three was ahead of it's time, but I didn't like that it took a very optomistic (read: TNG) style show and flipped all the most optomistic characters into dark, depressed ones (read: DS9, specifically for Archer and Trip).

Season four TOTALLY redeemed it though. Small story arcs that filled in gaps, explored the gap in Trek history, and gave trekkies some love while also giving characters growth and creating great, current-events-commentary drama. Manny Coto and his team of new writers from the Trek books really knocked it out of the park that year. It's too bad they really had no shot on that dying network. I remember a lot of fans hoping CBS would pick it up, but they were too concerned with procedurals back then, and Netflix was still many years away. I fully believe if Enterprise had come out today it would still be on, streaming at least.

 

[Kamandi]

The easiest way they could have explained it was the "Klingon EMPIRE". Hundreds of planets. On the most favored the citizens are known as Klingons. On the rest they are "the conquered". The human looking Klingons fell out of favor and are no longer allowed to carry the name.

 

[a-dev]

I didn't watch Enterprise, I was a bit Trekked out at the time - I really felt like it needed to take a break after Voyager and whatever I saw of early Enterprise didn't convince me otherwise. I also hated the main title song. Actually I don't like the Discovery main title music either...or the main theme from the reboot movies for that matter! Man, it's been quite a while since I liked any Star Trek music

 

[thecapn]

I didn't watch Enterprise, I was a bit Trekked out at the time - I really felt like it needed to take a break after Voyager and whatever I saw of early Enterprise didn't convince me otherwise. I also hated the main title song. Actually I don't like the Discovery main title music either...or the main theme from the reboot movies for that matter! Man, it's been quite a while since I liked any Star Trek music

Well, Voyager sucked. What a wasted premise. The first season, where there was all that conflict between the Maquis and Starfleet was decent, though I think it could have gone further. The whole plot line (I believe in season two?) with the Kazon, Seska, the saboteur, and Suder was really great. Then they ended ALL of that in the first episode of the third season, and all of a sudden everyone was just one big happy generic crew, and unless you're a fan of how they neutered the Borg, essentially NOTHING happened the entire rest of the series. Can't believe they didn't put it out of it's misery earlier.

As far as the music, the actual Enterprise theme - which they used with the end credits - was pretty decent. Count me among those who didn't love but didn't despise that theme music, but it did get worse when they tried to up the tempo with season 3. The newer movies' theme is growing on me, but yeah, it's not a classic. Completely agree on Discovery's theme. It just kind of meanders about without going anywhere.

 

[Kamandi]

The whole opening credit sequence of Discovery including the theme reminds me of Westworld. It worked on WW, seems out of place on Star Trek

 

[a-dev]

I only liked Voyager for a brief period - pretty much just season 4. Then it became apparent that the Borg and time travel were going to be the answer to everything.

The whole opening credit sequence of Discovery including the theme reminds me of Westworld. It worked on WW, seems out of place on Star Trek

I've thought the same. Very Westworld-like. With a short playing of the Alexander Courage theme randomly tacked on at the end like as though to say ''yeah, sorry, that was supposed to be a Star Trek theme''

 

[Kamandi]

The opening credits are somewhat saved by the visuals.

ST is more watchable than some of the other series, but I'll be shocked if there's a second season.

 

[thecapn]

The opening credits are somewhat saved by the visuals.

ST is more watchable than some of the other series, but I'll be shocked if there's a second season.

Already renewed.

 

[a-dev]

Well

Spoiler:

Pretty clear cut reference to Star Trek Enterprise. Great....But Klingons didn't look like this when they were in that show!!!

Anyway, my usual complaint for every single episode done with for this post, I liked the ending with Emperor Yeoh (for the life of me I can't think of the character name) pretending to be Captain Yeoh back from the dead.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Well

Spoiler:

Pretty clear cut reference to Star Trek Enterprise. Great....But Klingons didn't look like this when they were in that show!!!

Anyway, my usual complaint for every single episode done with for this post, I liked the ending with Emperor Yeoh (for the life of me I can't think of the character name) pretending to be Captain Yeoh back from the dead.

So true (spoiler comment in bold).

And FYI; Michelle's Yeoh's character is Captain Philippa Georgiou. I often forget/mispronounce her name too.

 

[abake]

This episode was one of the weakest for me...
You knew the "resurrection" was coming a mile away. Still, it was well played by everyone.

 

[thecapn]

Spoiler:

You know, I must've been sleepy or something, but I did *NOT* see that one coming. Which is funny, because I saw the other ones coming a mile away. I kindof assumed Cornwell was going to take command and they'd keep Georgiou under lockdown. But I suppose this way makes more sense, because if anyone mistakenly comes in contact with her their could be some pretty big-deal consequences.

People on other boards have mentioned that the whole Emperor Georgiou masquerading as the other Georgiou is kinda stupid from the Discovery crew's standpoint, because they were already in the Mirror Universe. But I can't recall (read: Have to watch again), did anyone other than Burnham, Saru, and Lorca ever actually know that Georgiou was the Emperor? Maybe that's easier to keep under wraps than you'd think. After all, none of the Terran crews ever mention her by name.

I'm having trouble getting invested in this plotline, though. I just don't buy that they're going to do all this and not rewind time and reboot it. After all, Stamets *CAN* do it. It's been done before, and they definitely made it a point to mention it. There's also the bit that, if we really got to a point where the majority of Starfleet was destroyed by the Klingons, we'd KNOW about it.

I have this distinct feeling that somehow we'll go back to the Battle of the Binary Stars and Burnham will get a second chance, but fail to save Georgiou again. The Shenzhou will still be destroyed and T'Kuvma won't die. The Klingons will be united, but the Federation will be able to see through their cloaking, leading to a stalemate, and an eventual begruding peace.

It's the only way I can think of to somehow make this all make sense in regard to the timeline...

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Spoiler:

You know, I must've been sleepy or something, but I did *NOT* see that one coming. Which is funny, because I saw the other ones coming a mile away. I kindof assumed Cornwell was going to take command and they'd keep Georgiou under lockdown. But I suppose this way makes more sense, because if anyone mistakenly comes in contact with her their could be some pretty big-deal consequences.

People on other boards have mentioned that the whole Emperor Georgiou masquerading as the other Georgiou is kinda stupid from the Discovery crew's standpoint, because they were already in the Mirror Universe. But I can't recall (read: Have to watch again), did anyone other than Burnham, Saru, and Lorca ever actually know that Georgiou was the Emperor? Maybe that's easier to keep under wraps than you'd think. After all, none of the Terran crews ever mention her by name.

I'm having trouble getting invested in this plotline, though. I just don't buy that they're going to do all this and not rewind time and reboot it. After all, Stamets *CAN* do it. It's been done before, and they definitely made it a point to mention it. There's also the bit that, if we really got to a point where the majority of Starfleet was destroyed by the Klingons, we'd KNOW about it.

I have this distinct feeling that somehow we'll go back to the Battle of the Binary Stars and Burnham will get a second chance, but fail to save Georgiou again. The Shenzhou will still be destroyed and T'Kuvma won't die. The Klingons will be united, but the Federation will be able to see through their cloaking, leading to a stalemate, and an eventual begruding peace.

It's the only way I can think of to somehow make this all make sense in regard to the timeline...

Interesting thoughts on the Battle of the Binary Stars and everything else.

 

[thecapn]

Ok, so I haven't watched this week's episode-finale, but I did just finish the Discovery tie-in book Drastic Measures that was released last week. For those who don't know, the new Discovery books are considered canon.

Anyway, the book was fairly standard Trek fandom stuff with nothing much of note, but I JUST HAD to post the AWESOME reveal in the last couple of paragraphs. I'm assuming most people won't read it, so I thought you guys might like to know that:

Spoiler:

Prime Universe Lorca IS ALIVE.

He's in some sort of jail, and the mention that his captors are ruthless and kill people arbitrarily, both among themselves and the prison population. That leads me to think they're mirror universe, but hell, they could be Klingons.

That's literally all they tell us, but I for one am SO glad they at least left the door open for my new favorite Captain to return somehow, eventually. Apparently, the writing staff over on Discovery is completely on board with it.

 

[a-dev]

Regarding that:

Spoiler:

Yeah I figured Prime Lorca would still be alive somewhere. The fact that we've only met mirror universe Lorca creates a natural curiosity about what the real Lorca is like.

 

[thecapn]

I agree, but considering that

Spoiler:

The ion storm that switched the captains would've left Lorca on the mirror Buran, which was destroyed shortly after - and that Emporer Giorgiou believed he was dead - means they'll have to come up with a pretty clever way of making him reappear. I kindof assumed they'd leave him dead. And they still might never go back to him, of course. They leave it wide open in the book besides just confirming he's still alive.

 

[Lumos]

Is the After Trek show worth watching?

 

[thecapn]

I watched it at the beginning. They do share some cool behind-the-scenes insights, but you can catch most of those on TrekMovie.com's writeups on Monday mornings. Personally, I stopped watching because I find the host very annoying. Reminds me of that annoying Bing Bong character from Inside Out, if you've seen it.