Star Trek: Picard

[ZE_501]

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Well, that was just my impression from reading articles. It just seemed like the producers really wanted (justifiably) wanted Stewart on board, so possibly were willing to work with him more re the production.

Makes sense, he's the titular character and has a ton of currency and goodwill with the public.

That's not to say that actors shouldn't contribute to their characters -

Of course; but a story or series is bigger than one character, so it's easy to see how one actor's vision may -- or may not -- derail an enterprise.

I get that some actor ideas can just sink a production, or may not be what a lot of the audience wants to see. Personally I'd rather have Picard be an older version of the Picard I knew - there are still some lines of his like "A lie of omission is still a lie" that always stick with me.

I understand that the Jean Luc we knew from television and previous films has aged and done a lot of living, but he comes across as fragile and high strung in this episode. A peculiar characterization, although by the end he displays some of his old steel.

I don't expect a 2-dimensional cut-out 'hero' character, that's never been who Picard is, but IMO this one did veer off a bit for now.

 

[punisher1974]

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I am curious to see this show. It has been almost 20 years since we have seen Picard. A lot can happen in that time.

 

[e30ernest]

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I liked it. Some of the effects were off (I think Discovery had better CGI) but overall, a good pilot. It's a bit predictable (I knew where it would go as soon as Dahj showed up) but still a fun watch. I am really happy to see Patrick Stewart back. This is a changed Picard, but you can still see glimpses of the old (young and more optimistic) Picard here and there.

 

[dan350zr]

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He was in his mid 40's in TNG and now he's 79 so yeah that does make him a bit more fragile (like running up those stairs) but you do see some of the younger 40's Picard in some scenes so he's in there... You have to remember he's in retirement, gets up, walks around his winery with his dog and then goes back to bed, he's gotta get himself back into adventure mode shape, which we started to see at the end of the 1st episode...

The first episodes of a new show are always a bit of a mess as they're trying to introduce new characters, once they do that they can focus more on the story and the adventure...

 

[ZE_501]

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He was in his mid 40's in TNG and now he's 79 so yeah that does make him a bit more fragile (like running up those stairs) but you do see some of the younger 40's Picard in some scenes so he's in there... You have to remember he's in retirement, gets up, walks around his winery with his dog and then goes back to bed, he's gotta get himself back into adventure mode shape, which we started to see at the end of the 1st episode...

The first episodes of a new show are always a bit of a mess as they're trying to introduce new characters, once they do that they can focus more on the story and the adventure...

We definitely saw it at the end of that episode. I don't expect him to be in fighting shape, I was referring to his emotional and mental state coming across as fragile, but yes, I'm along for the ride.

 

[screamingmetal]

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We definitely saw it at the end of that episode. I don't expect him to be in fighting shape, I was referring to his emotional and mental state coming across as fragile, but yes, I'm along for the ride.

Haven't seen it, but Picard is supposed to have Irumodic Syndrome late in life from the "All Good Things" episode. It's like Alzheimer's.

I've heard that the Federation refused to evacuate Romulus before it was destroyed. Extremely uncharacteristic to the established nature of the Federation, downright disrespectful to Gene Roddenberry's vision of an optimistic future.
Kirk went back in time to stop powerful space whales from destroying Earth, you'd think Picard would get off his ass and do the same for Romulus, but no, this is still JJ Drek as far as I'm concerned.

 

[ZE_501]

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Haven't seen it, but Picard is supposed to have Irumodic Syndrome late in life from the "All Good Things" episode. It's like Alzheimer's.

Can't remember that...I'll have to re-visit. Would explain a lot.

I've heard that the Federation refused to evacuate Romulus before it was destroyed. Extremely uncharacteristic to the established nature of the Federation, downright disrespectful to Gene Roddenberry's vision of an optimistic future.

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Yep. But this isolationist turn is why Picard left Starfleet and remains unhappy with them, so there is that. I agree it's not respectful of Roddenberry's vision, but it falls under the current phase of paranoia and bleak realism that pervades entertainment.

 

[Prime Clone]

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That's not to say that actors shouldn't contribute to their characters

Harrison Ford strongly felt Deckard wasn't a replicant. I concur. It lessens the movie if he is.

 

[dan350zr]

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Haven't seen it, but Picard is supposed to have Irumodic Syndrome late in life from the "All Good Things" episode. It's like Alzheimer's.

I've heard that the Federation refused to evacuate Romulus before it was destroyed. Extremely uncharacteristic to the established nature of the Federation, downright disrespectful to Gene Roddenberry's vision of an optimistic future.
Kirk went back in time to stop powerful space whales from destroying Earth, you'd think Picard would get off his ass and do the same for Romulus, but no, this is still JJ Drek as far as I'm concerned.

I'll have to watch the 1st episode again but in the interview the Federation agreed to helping evacuate the Romulans, it was half-way through the evacuation that the Federation pulled their support, they didn't say why but just that Picard resigned in protest... I'm sure will hear more details about it in future episodes...

 

[a-dev]

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OK, tentatively saying that I enjoyed the first episode well enough.

 

[FlyAndFight]

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They've got my interest for sure but I can sense an easy slide into "woke" territory. If so, I'm beaming out.

 

[ebor]

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Watched it enjoyed it. Watch the last Short Trek for the vague reference to the Attack on Mars. Interesting intersect (?) between Super Nova on Romulus in this time line and the JJ Abrams Trek story line with the re-boot TOS. I can hear Nero shouting " I was THERE I SAW it happening"

 

[Matt S]

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They've got my interest for sure but I can sense an easy slide into "woke" territory. If so, I'm beaming out.

ok, i'm old, so 'woke' has to do with being overly sensitive with things like social justice and the like?

Unrelated to above, I agree that the idea of Picard leaving Starfleet for the reason he did goes against Roddenberry's original vision, but we seem further away from realizing that vision in 2020 than we did in 1987. Its scary how fast 30 years went by. I was in HS when TNG debuted

 

[Sidewinder]

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Good lord can we stop using the word woke? lol

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[Matt S]

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Good lord can we stop using the word woke? lol

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Feel like a jackass for even asking.......lol

 

[e30ernest]

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ok, i'm old, so 'woke' has to do with being overly sensitive with things like social justice and the like?

Unrelated to above, I agree that the idea of Picard leaving Starfleet for the reason he did goes against Roddenberry's original vision, but we seem further away from realizing that vision in 2020 than we did in 1987. Its scary how fast 30 years went by. I was in HS when TNG debuted

Was it? Picard has always gone against Starfleet when they went against his moral/ethical standards. If I recall correctly, he also resigned for a similar reason in Insurrection.

I've always thought of Star Trek as mostly "woke" for its time. I don't mind it at all.

 

[ZE_501]

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ok, i'm old, so 'woke' has to do with being overly sensitive with things like social justice and the like?

Far as I recall 'woke' as in 'awake' or 'awakened to' -- originated as a term to describe someone with progressive and inclusive values, especially someone who acted on those values in their daily life. None of which is a bad thing. But because humans are often prone to ignorance and extremism, a small segment of the population grew more vocal and heavy-handed, and as the Internet incubated and gave birth to 'outrage culture' / 'cancel culture' ... the term 'woke' has started to take on a pejorative meaning to describe what the user may perceive (correctly or not) as extreme, unreasonable, histrionic, etc.

Unrelated to above, I agree that the idea of Picard leaving Starfleet for the reason he did goes against Roddenberry's original vision, but we seem further away from realizing that vision in 2020 than we did in 1987. Its scary how fast 30 years went by. I was in HS when TNG debuted

I don't feel that's an issue -- I think Roddenberry's vision has a strong vein of personal accountability and individual moral compass built into the narrative, as Picard (and Kirk before him) regularly did what they thought was *right* as opposed to what Starfleet ordered them to do.

The dark turn and Starfleet's isolationism coupled with Earth media's more martial turn and 'us and them' mentality is counter to Gene's vision, but perhaps it may be argued that Picard and his personal moral compass are carrying that torch by bucking the system.

 

[e30ernest]

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I don't feel that's an issue -- I think Roddenberry's vision has a strong vein of personal accountability and individual moral compass built into the narrative, as Picard (and Kirk before him) regularly did what they thought was *right* as opposed to what Starfleet ordered them to do.

The dark turn and Starfleet's isolationism coupled with Earth media's more martial turn and 'us and them' mentality is counter to Gene's vision, but perhaps it may be argued that Picard and his personal moral compass are carrying that torch by bucking the system.

 

[screamingmetal]

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Far as I recall 'woke' as in 'awake' or 'awakened to' -- originated as a term to describe someone with progressive and inclusive values, especially someone who acted on those values in their daily life. None of which is a bad thing. But because humans are often prone to ignorance and extremism, a small segment of the population grew more vocal and heavy-handed, and as the Internet incubated and gave birth to 'outrage culture' / 'cancel culture' ... the term 'woke' has started to take on a pejorative meaning to describe what the user may perceive (correctly or not) as extreme, unreasonable, histrionic, etc.



I don't feel that's an issue -- I think Roddenberry's vision has a strong vein of personal accountability and individual moral compass built into the narrative, as Picard (and Kirk before him) regularly did what they thought was *right* as opposed to what Starfleet ordered them to do.

The dark turn and Starfleet's isolationism coupled with Earth media's more martial turn and 'us and them' mentality is counter to Gene's vision, but perhaps it may be argued that Picard and his personal moral compass are carrying that torch by bucking the system.

A 'woke' person or agenda currently refers to delusional people who perceive our society as rife with social injustice such as bigotry, racism, economic inequality in every powerful organization and institution. They then try to force their version of justice in a variety of ways to correct these exaggerated problems often by oppressing people they disagree with or perceive to be 'privileged' by calling them slanderous names, such as calling Trump supporters as 'nazis' or 'racists' or trying to get people blacklisted or fired from their jobs or have social services investigate their children only because they're Republican or made a coarse joke.

Gene Roddenberry, Rick Berman, and the many showrunners of TOS, Next Gen., DS9, Voyager Ent., and the movies have struggled for years with writers that wanted to turn the Federation into the bad guys. You need antagonists to create drama and the writers often tried to turn the Federation into the source of the dilemma. It always went against the positive vision of Star Trek that the mostly human government would regress so the showrunners resisted the writers. You would from time to time see a individual within the Federation be the bad guy with a terrible idea or intention, but the Federation itself was always good and would do the right thing.
That's my main problem with the Federation refusing to help the Romulans, it's out of character.

 

[Prime Clone]

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Was it? Picard has always gone against Starfleet when they went against his moral/ethical standards. If I recall correctly, he also resigned for a similar reason in Insurrection.

I've always thought of Star Trek as mostly "woke" for its time. I don't mind it at all.

That's the kind of woke I can get behind - express your beliefs with actions, not personal vitriol.