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Oh, bah humbug! How old was Luke Skywalker when he fought Vader? Luke back then seems like a literal child to me now. But what did Luke do?! He faced his opponent bravely and ended up paying a terrible price. He found out just how much Vader was not to be trifled with.

He did his own fighting. Respect. He didnt send in his sister.

I just dont like Bridger, in case y'dont know lol. Mileage will vary.

Luke was 22 in ESB. 6-7 years older then Ezra with several years of combat experience under his belt from being with the Rebellion for about 3 years. Ezra was a literal kid.

It's ok to just "not like" a character, but to complain about how a kid was scared in a fight (which fits the character arc) and then compare him to a adult character and expect him to act similar just doesn't make sense.
 
He was a kid. Like 15 or 16. And Vader is the scariest thing he's ever come across.
That was one thing Rebels did really well. Vader was illustrated as an authentic, lethal threat and his very presence was fear inducing.
The first time him and his master came across Vader, Vader smacked them around with no effort. His master was basically powerless and they barely escaped. Makes more sense he was scared then him jumping in to help fight, like Vader wasn't intimidating. Besides it was Ahsoka's fight, and if I remember correctly, she told Ezra to stay out of it.
Yeah, I liked that he didn't pull an Omega.

The second point, yeah its almost as unbelievable as a farm boy on his first combat mission piloting a ship he's never been in before and taking out a giant moon size base, oh and being one of like a handful of survivors from the battle where experienced seasoned pilots were shot down, he some how lives. Let's not pretend that the OT doesn't have some things that you just accept because every hero at some point has plot armor.
This is fair.
 
And this is why I absolutely refuse to watch Rebels. Ezra Bridger is the biggest, most overhyped Mary Sue in all the history of Star Wars, he has no equal in undeserved magnitude. Compared to him, Ahsoka is Reverend Mother Helen Gaius Mohiam and Rey is Lady Jessica. Baby Anakin is a Confucian monk in his wisdom and battle prowess, leading his own Order at the age of nine and able to stop time with his thoughts. Compared to Ezra.

No, my opinion of Ezra is not high. Not at all. Its that suspension of disbelief thing again.
I really don't like the character either, never did for a lot of reasons. But I still think I'd give that title to Rey, overall. And that's not a character I hated at first.
 
That was one thing Rebels did really well. Vader was illustrated as an authentic, lethal threat and his very presence was fear inducing.

When they came across Vader and they were all like "Who or what is that!" and Kanan could just feel the hate and power coming off him and knew he was no chance in defeating him. Yeah they did Vader right.
 
Oh, bah humbug! How old was Luke Skywalker when he fought Vader? Luke back then seems like a literal child to me now. But what did Luke do?! He faced his opponent bravely and ended up paying a terrible price. He found out just how much Vader was not to be trifled with.

He did his own fighting. Respect. He didnt send in his sister.

I just dont like Bridger, in case y'dont know lol. Mileage will vary.
Older than Ezra by a good few years lol.

You don’t like him but you haven’t experience his character arc, people didn’t like Ahsoka either :dunno.
 
You don’t like him but you haven’t experience his character arc, people didn’t like Ahsoka either :dunno.

It's like people watch the first episode, write it off and then wiki the rest of the story. They totally miss the context and experience. You can cut the OT down to a simple paragraph and make it sound ridiculously bad. But when you watch and actually experience the series you find simple summaries didn't do it justice.
 
Ezra was a kid and a Force user. Which, btw, he was NOT USING to help Ahsoka.

Weak.

You heard me! Lol
A force user who didn't have much control yet.

I'm a little confused by your descriptions though. Earlier you called him the ultimate Mary Sue in all of SW, now you are calling him a weak character. Those two things are on the polar opposite ends of the spectrum. I think perhaps you are just trolling.
 
No i just really dislike Bridger. Perhaps more than anyone except Jarjar.

Cowering from Vader or defeating Thrawn himself like a megaboss, this kid runs the power gamut. Mileage will vary, meanwhile I think Ive made my point.

That you dislike a character so much that you are irrational and make no sense? Yes we got your point.
 
No i just really dislike Bridger. Perhaps more than anyone except Jarjar.

Cowering from Vader or defeating Thrawn himself like a megaboss, this kid runs the power gamut. Mileage will vary, meanwhile I think Ive made my point.
To be fair, Ezra's defeat of Thrawn has less to do with power, more to do with Thrawn's lack of understanding of the Force as a strategy. He's a master strategist but not a Force user, so Ezra pulling some wild Force space whales in to help was something he may not have foreseen.
 
You must be new to these forums, irrational rants and wild hatreds are the fuel that gives them life.

GRRRRRRRRR *chews scenery, throws folding chair WWE-style* :taz
Check the join date, been here longer then you.
 
And this is why I absolutely refuse to watch Rebels. Ezra Bridger is the biggest, most overhyped Mary Sue in all the history of Star Wars, he has no equal in undeserved magnitude. Compared to him, Ahsoka is Reverend Mother Helen Gaius Mohiam and Rey is Lady Jessica. Baby Anakin is a Confucian monk in his wisdom and battle prowess, leading his own Order at the age of nine and able to stop time with his thoughts. Compared to Ezra.

No, my opinion of Ezra is not high. Not at all. Its that suspension of disbelief thing again.
I would always recommend watching something and judging for yourself, but I'd like to weigh in on comparing characters in terms of being overpowered. Here's my view of three Ezra comparisons that matter most to me.

Ezra vs. Luke
Two or three years after being introduced to the Force, Luke got mauled by a Wampa, had to crash land a snowspeeder on Hoth and an x-wing on Dagobah, got beat by Vader and lost his hand in the first lightsaber duel he had, couldn't use the Force to subdue a Rancor (even Grogu can do that :lol) so had to resort to cruder measures, got shot in the hand by a random goon, and got completely throttled by Palpatine.

Ezra was also humbled by Vader, but held his own against Inquisitors. His skills with leaping, dashing, and using telekinesis were all way more advanced than anything we saw Luke do. He used mind control (not just a Jedi mind trick, btw!) to take over an AT-ST by remote puppeteer of the driver inside it. And his beast control was absolutely unparalleled; off the charts.

Verdict: No contest; Ezra is more overpowered than Luke.

Ezra vs. Anakin
After ten years of being trained by a Jedi Master (not a mere padawan trainer like Kanan was), Anakin got his ass handed to him by Dooku and lost part of his arm in his first saber duel. He did control a beast, but with nowhere near the level of expertise that Ezra had. The mind control Ezra displayed was also more than anything I can remember Anakin doing. Other skills were a mixed bag.

But here's the real clincher for me: When facing the loss of loved ones, Anakin went dark and abandoned all Jedi principles without self control. Ezra, on the other hand, *literally* had the opportunity to save his parents and his former master from death... and selflessly walked away to keep their dark fate intact by "the will of the Force." And he was just 15 or 16 years old at the time.

Verdict: Given Anakin's training, midichlorian count higher than Yoda's, and "Chosen One" pedigree, Ezra is the more overpowered (or at least "overextended") one.

Ezra vs. Rey
In TFA alone, and without a single second of Jedi training, Rey used a Jedi mind trick without even knowing what such a thing was, resisted a mind probe from someone of Skywalker lineage who had been trained by both Luke and Snoke (via Palpatine), beat him in a lightsaber duel the first time she ever ignited one, and outpiloted trained TIE fighter pilots. She then went on to get absolutely embarassed by Snoke, but ended up a year later having learned Force healing and communing with every Jedi spirit before defeating the Sith and taking that destiny away from Anakin.

Verdict: Landslide. Rey is way more overpowered than Ezra.

These are the sorts of nerd timewasters I love. :lol
 
The amount of stuff you left out is staggering.

You focus on Ezra but Rebels is a ensemble show where all the characters have plots and storylines. Which also happen to have some of the best moments in all of Star Wars.

The episode Jedi Night is extremely well done (IMO one of the best Star Wars anything ever) and is a gut punch, but you have to have gone through the other episodes to see and understand the relationship between the characters to get its impact. It would be like watching the Mando season 2 finale when Din takes his helmet off for Grogu without seeing the other episodes to understand what a important moment that was.
The Rebels series had 75 episodes. At 24 minutes each, that's 30 freaking hours of content. Of course I left out a staggering amount of that story.

But I was focusing my summary specifically on the aspects that jye wants to see in order to be caught up before this Ahsoka show airs. That means Ezra, Thrawn, the World Between Worlds, and how they all intersect.

I left out the umpteen times that teenage Ezra infiltrated Imperial facilities, often posing as a trooper, and got away with it.

I also left out the Inquisitors flying themselves around with helicopter lightsabers.

While I mentioned the Force-powered hyperspace whales, I left out the Force-powered hypertunnel wolves that somehow teleport humans underground from one side of a planet to the other without any bodily harm.

In 30 hours of stuff, there better be some really good highlights, and there are, but for me the garbage outweighs the positives by a wide margin. Especially when considering the needless recontextualizing of the OT. But you and others like the show, and that's fine. That's the way these things go.
 
The Rebels series had 75 episodes. At 24 minutes each, that's 30 freaking hours of content. Of course I left out a staggering amount of that story.

But I was focusing my summary specifically on the aspects that jye wants to see in order to be caught up before this Ahsoka show airs. That means Ezra, Thrawn, the World Between Worlds, and how they all intersect.

I left out the umpteen times that teenage Ezra infiltrated Imperial facilities, often posing as a trooper, and got away with it.

I also left out the Inquisitors flying themselves around with helicopter lightsabers.

While I mentioned the Force-powered hyperspace whales, I left out the Force-powered hypertunnel wolves that somehow teleport humans underground from one side of a planet to the other without any bodily harm.

In 30 hours of stuff, there better be some really good highlights, and there are, but for me the garbage outweighs the positives by a wide margin. Especially when considering the needless recontextualizing of the OT. But you and others like the show, and that's fine. That's the way these things go.

You left out all the Hera, Sabine, Zeb, stuff, all who are in Ahsoka. You left out the Ahsoka stuff that was in Rebels and looks like it plays a role in the series. Kanan stuff would probably be important too since he's pivotal to those characters.

You cherry picked stuff to fit a personal dislike for a character in a show to influence him. Let him make the decision for himself by watching it if he likes it or not.
 
I would always recommend watching something and judging for yourself, but I'd like to weigh in on comparing characters in terms of being overpowered. Here's my view of three Ezra comparisons that matter most to me.

Ezra vs. Luke
Two or three years after being introduced to the Force, Luke got mauled by a Wampa, had to crash land a snowspeeder on Hoth and an x-wing on Dagobah, got beat by Vader and lost his hand in the first lightsaber duel he had, couldn't use the Force to subdue a Rancor (even Grogu can do that :lol) so had to resort to cruder measures, got shot in the hand by a random goon, and got completely throttled by Palpatine.

Ezra was also humbled by Vader, but held his own against Inquisitors. His skills with leaping, dashing, and using telekinesis were all way more advanced than anything we saw Luke do. He used mind control (not just a Jedi mind trick, btw!) to take over an AT-ST by remote puppeteer of the driver inside it. And his beast control was absolutely unparalleled; off the charts.

Verdict: No contest; Ezra is more overpowered than Luke.

Ezra vs. Anakin
After ten years of being trained by a Jedi Master (not a mere padawan trainer like Kanan was), Anakin got his ass handed to him by Dooku and lost part of his arm in his first saber duel. He did control a beast, but with nowhere near the level of expertise that Ezra had. The mind control Ezra displayed was also more than anything I can remember Anakin doing. Other skills were a mixed bag.

But here's the real clincher for me: When facing the loss of loved ones, Anakin went dark and abandoned all Jedi principles without self control. Ezra, on the other hand, *literally* had the opportunity to save his parents and his former master from death... and selflessly walked away to keep their dark fate intact by "the will of the Force." And he was just 15 or 16 years old at the time.

Verdict: Given Anakin's training, midichlorian count higher than Yoda's, and "Chosen One" pedigree, Ezra is the more overpowered (or at least "overextended") one.

Ezra vs. Rey
In TFA alone, and without a single second of Jedi training, Rey used a Jedi mind trick without even knowing what such a thing was, resisted a mind probe from someone of Skywalker lineage who had been trained by both Luke and Snoke (via Palpatine), beat him in a lightsaber duel the first time she ever ignited one, and outpiloted trained TIE fighter pilots. She then went on to get absolutely embarassed by Snoke, but ended up a year later having learned Force healing and communing with every Jedi spirit before defeating the Sith and taking that destiny away from Anakin.

Verdict: Landslide. Rey is way more overpowered than Ezra.

These are the sorts of nerd timewasters I love. :lol
You forgot that desert dweller Rey somehow knew how to swim without training too......
 
I would always recommend watching something and judging for yourself, but I'd like to weigh in on comparing characters in terms of being overpowered. Here's my view of three Ezra comparisons that matter most to me.

Ezra vs. Luke
Two or three years after being introduced to the Force, Luke got mauled by a Wampa, had to crash land a snowspeeder on Hoth and an x-wing on Dagobah, got beat by Vader and lost his hand in the first lightsaber duel he had, couldn't use the Force to subdue a Rancor (even Grogu can do that :lol) so had to resort to cruder measures, got shot in the hand by a random goon, and got completely throttled by Palpatine.

Ezra was also humbled by Vader, but held his own against Inquisitors. His skills with leaping, dashing, and using telekinesis were all way more advanced than anything we saw Luke do. He used mind control (not just a Jedi mind trick, btw!) to take over an AT-ST by remote puppeteer of the driver inside it. And his beast control was absolutely unparalleled; off the charts.

Verdict: No contest; Ezra is more overpowered than Luke.

Ezra vs. Anakin
After ten years of being trained by a Jedi Master (not a mere padawan trainer like Kanan was), Anakin got his ass handed to him by Dooku and lost part of his arm in his first saber duel. He did control a beast, but with nowhere near the level of expertise that Ezra had. The mind control Ezra displayed was also more than anything I can remember Anakin doing. Other skills were a mixed bag.

But here's the real clincher for me: When facing the loss of loved ones, Anakin went dark and abandoned all Jedi principles without self control. Ezra, on the other hand, *literally* had the opportunity to save his parents and his former master from death... and selflessly walked away to keep their dark fate intact by "the will of the Force." And he was just 15 or 16 years old at the time.

Verdict: Given Anakin's training, midichlorian count higher than Yoda's, and "Chosen One" pedigree, Ezra is the more overpowered (or at least "overextended") one.

Ezra vs. Rey
In TFA alone, and without a single second of Jedi training, Rey used a Jedi mind trick without even knowing what such a thing was, resisted a mind probe from someone of Skywalker lineage who had been trained by both Luke and Snoke (via Palpatine), beat him in a lightsaber duel the first time she ever ignited one, and outpiloted trained TIE fighter pilots. She then went on to get absolutely embarrassed by Snoke, but ended up a year later having learned Force healing and communing with every Jedi spirit before defeating the Sith and taking that destiny away from Anakin.

Verdict: Landslide. Rey is way more overpowered than Ezra.

These are the sorts of nerd timewasters I love. :lol

I think some of this might be explainable by Rebels being a cartoon vs. the OT being live action. In a cartoon, you can make people do literally anything - and its comparatively cheap. 1977 in no way had the practical effects to make Luke do one tenth of all this.

Anakin to me is a deeply flawed character in that I still cannot really reconcile the Anakin we saw on screen with Vader. Vader is just an entirely bigger, more mature, deadlier guy and its just jarring to me to see the guy we just saw in bed with Padme and now five minutes later he's....THIS. The voice is wrong. I know its supposed to be the suit, but this is a really jarring character leap forward. Honestly I feel that Vader is best and most believable in the comics. Or novels. But I never roll my eyes at him or think YEAH RIGHT onscreen. This is an extremely powerful but flawed guy.

I was already skeptical and then when Rey defeated Kylo without even the five minutes of training Luke got on Dagobah, I just mentally checked out. This guy is trying to talk to you, you never even met him and you're immediately all GRAAAAAHHHHHHHH like..... some bloodthirsty Sith whatever. Its been a while since i've seen ROS so the details are fuzzy.
 
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