I have yet to see reaction videos and clips all over the internet of people losing their ****, crying, and screaming joy like when Luke showed up at the end of Mando s2.
I highly doubt this comes even close to that. No matter how emotional anything gets with these rebels characters, there are a much smaller percentage of fans emotionally invested in this than OT characters. I like Ahsoka and would've preferred she died in Rebels at the hands of Vader. Now that would've been an emotional ride.
I'm patiently waiting for this to end and read the final consensus to decide if I'll care enough to watch it.
As for the best ever - am not fit to judge, haven't been as deeply into SW over the years.
As far as the best ever SW series, wouldn't say that either. There's moments from Mando that are burned into my skull (granted S1 and S2 geez I hope they bring Mayfield back....)
But I'd say there was really an effort made in this show, tho this episode was the best, so far. Even if I've got nits like who doesn't put some kind of guard on a ship, even Luke had R2 watching the camp in Dagobah. Sabine seems to have regressed in maturity at times from what I knew of her in Rebels. There's a lot of staring, and staring some more.
It's fine. Like a lot of people the dark Jedi are awesome. Chopper. I guess I'll get more excited when Ezra shows up, for me right now this feels like a Rebels extension. Which is - fine. I like Rebels a lot, but I thought it ended perfectly, and here we are.
Fan service, to remind folks at some point supposedly there will be some blow out movie they wanna do in theater for this INTERCONNECTED UNIVERSE and we will all be broke buying figures.
Fan service, to remind folks at some point supposedly there will be some blow out movie they wanna do in theater for this INTERCONNECTED UNIVERSE and we will all be broke buying figures.
These two are just attempt at lightning the mood for kids and less drama minded SW fans....
Every Star Wars story has them, but usually they give this role to a droid. I really believe they learned nothing from Jar Jar at times.
HOWEVER.....if they do hit it right, as they did with Grogu, its like printing your own money. Many casual fans will spend way more than a serious fan when a character hits.
I do think they are attempting to make SW more Trek like many times.
I also think there's something to be said that there's an episode next week to follow up on the big reveal at the end. With Luke, it was over and the end of the season. We had to wait a while to see any pay-off to that.
I agree though, you even take that reveal out and I'm still beyond excited about what it did as an episode.
I could make an edit of that show, which would make it WAY better, just by cutting out some stuff. Overall it had some great stuff also, but people focus on the negative most of the time.
I would say, for me, Boba was the same, although I am not as attached to the character as some. So many people built a headcannon for that guy that was insurmountable.
I used to say the PT could have been saved with an edit that made the 3 films into one 3 hour film also.....after attempting to watch them recently, I am not so sure an editor can save it at all.
My only other point to make is to plead. Hot Toys. Please make Baylan and Shin. It's just so beyond necessary. I think their outfits were even cooler without the cloaks too which I didn't think was possible honestly.
I feel like it's almost a chorus of praise for those two. Even that Jeremy Jahns video posted above, where he's ultimately pretty meh on the show, involves a bunch of praise for them. Great antagonists make Star Wars special and its even better when it works to further the protagonists too.
I agree, those two are excellent. Ray Stevenson was always likely to be good and sure enough he's bringing a kind of Christopher Lee gravitas to his role. Sucks that he isn't around anymore to see how well received his character is.
And..I had to google...Ivanna Sakhno, really cool. ''I shall watch her career with great interest...''
Part of me hopes Baylan dies at the end of the season because recasting him would be a tough sell. I was worried Ray’s death would delay the show but the fact it didn’t makes me think they didn’t have to come up with a Plan B. Really a shame. I’d watch a spin off about Baylan at this point.
Part of me hopes Baylan dies at the end of the season because recasting him would be a tough sell. I was worried Ray’s death would delay the show but the fact it didn’t makes me think they didn’t have to come up with a Plan B. Really a shame. I’d watch a spin off about Baylan at this point.
Really really liked this episode! I thought the way connection/potential loss of that connection played into every single character's journey this episode was really fun to watch. I think Filoni has a pretty good handle on the thematic qualities he's trying to impart with the two master/apprentice relationships we've seen so far.
Here's some of my thoughts on that if you're interested in reading...
All four of the main forcewielders in the show have conflicts to do with attachment, which highlights their flaws and what makes them interesting honestly.
-Shin goes to Baylan while he's fighting Ahsoka because of the fear of the loss of her master. I think the editing, and leaving her saber behind showed how much of a reactive and emotional action it was. Even the force choke of sabine you can connect to that risk of what keeping an enemy alive could mean. I'm more convinced than ever that if Baylan dies, she’ll go full dark side. There's no way she'd be able to process that grief. She even seemed to have a really fearful reaction to Marrok of all people dying who was LITERAL SMOKE. They held on that reaction for a long time to show that she just has a lot of emotional immaturity to her. That inability to deal with her emotions brings fear to the forefront even in these conflict situations where she's mostly seemed disassociated.
-Ahsoka force pushes Shin in the fear of losing her apprentice, which is absolutely a trauma response. She becomes completely unbalanced because of that potential loss of her padawan. She’s lost too much over the decades of her life. What does she even have left? She’s fighting to stop a war but for what? For who? Her connection has just been lost to Sabine, just as she lost Anakin. Her regrets are controlling her and lead her to her end here. I'm not thrilled with the decision to essentially 'kill' her, but it's a powerful one nevertheless and should give some really interesting content in Episode 5 for her character.
-Baylan unloads on ahsoka, completely tapping into the dark side when she attacks his apprentice (doesnt even matter if they’re blood related, this is definitely father/daughter stuff they’re playing at). That relationship is much different than Ahsoka/Sabine, which is something Baylan seems to play to to get Sabine to hand over the map. Those more vicious and powerful attacks allow him to get the edge on Ahsoka, and defeat her. Before she threw Shin into the pillar, i read his actions as him being more focused on stalling her out. that line he says 'it didn't need to come to this, but you know no other way', absolute chills. it's heartbreaking to have lost a performer as talented as Ray Stevenson.
-Sabine has just lost her master and the sheer opportunity to see Ezra again (the one connection she truly has left) leads her to give the map up to Baylan. That's all that matters to her anymore, because what else does she have left? I know some will hate her for this decision as it opens the galaxy up to war, but I think it's a great moment for her character and is very human.
Episode 4, therefore, through all the amazing lightsaber duels, is all about the fear of loss, the impacts attachment have on our spirituality and found family. These themes that Star Wars has focused on forever. I think that's why you have people saying it feels so naturally Star Wars to them, because it's dealing with the same themes, in a new light.
And who connects most of all to those emotions and fear of loss out of literally every character in the Star Wars mythos?
Anakin. Skywalker.
No surprise he’s the one to show up at the end
My only other point to make is to plead. Hot Toys. Please make Baylan and Shin. It's just so beyond necessary. I think their outfits were even cooler without the cloaks too which I didn't think was possible honestly.
I feel like it's almost a chorus of praise for those two. Even that Jeremy Jahns video posted above, where he's ultimately pretty meh on the show, involves a bunch of praise for them. Great antagonists make Star Wars special and its even better when it works to further the protagonists too.
It's a far from perfect show for sure, but I'm immersed. I want more. I can only hope the back half delivers on what the first half has set up.
Disney does need some respect for having the balls to release an expensive series about characters from a cartoon that many many many MANY people have never watched.
Here is the thing about Obi.
I could make an edit of that show, which would make it WAY better, just by cutting out some stuff. Overall it had some great stuff also, but people focus on the negative most of the time.
For every cool thing there was like 5 bad things IMO. A huge part of that was the bad acting and silly story surrounding Reva. The next worst part was the awful directing during the action scenes.
I went with the flow in the beginning. Read my early post in that thread but the bad just outweighed the good and it became the 2nd worst SW show.
I would say, for me, Boba was the same, although I am not as attached to the character as some. So many people built a headcannon for that guy that was insurmountable.
I am not all that attached but again don’t make a show about a character that has been written about and even shown to be a bad ass (this includes Mando season 2 and not just ESB) and then make him a moron who can’t lead or make an intelligent decision. Bad action, dumb characters, and a lack of respect to the main character killed this show.
I used to say the PT could have been saved with an edit that made the 3 films into one 3 hour film also.....after attempting to watch them recently, I am not so sure an editor can save it at all.
TPM is a perfect example of me being willing to ignore bad stuff for some cool ideas, visuals, action, and a good villain. All of which BOBF was lacking and most of which Obi Wan was missing
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I like Rebels a lot, but I thought it ended perfectly, and here we are.
