Star Wars: Andor (April 22, 2025)

[jaztermareal]

Nobody sets out to make something bad. So much time, work, effort, and money goes into making a tv series or movie. It’s just unfortunate that they were so out of touch with the core audience they didn’t see that the Acolyte wouldn’t do well. Star Wars can be different than what has come before. It may even be essential to it surviving. That doesn’t mean they need to rewrite what we’ve known and try change core things about the universe.

Andor is building on what has come before it and is enhancing it. Many didn’t think Rogue One was needed but it turned out to be one of the better films in the saga. It didn’t try to change A New Hope by making think we didn’t understand it before. It enhanced A New Hope by making us appreciate the effort that went into getting those plans and solving some long criticisms about the exhaust port flaw. It made Star Wars better. If they can keep the mindset of enhancing the universe rather than trying to redefine it, they still might be able to save it. At least Andor in good hands.

Precisely. Rogue One and Andor add to and enhance the saga, the sequel trilogy/Acolyte/BOBF/Kenobi/Ahsoka/Mando either subvert it or water it down.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Nobody sets out to make something bad. So much time, work, effort, and money goes into making a tv series or movie. It’s just unfortunate that they were so out of touch with the core audience they didn’t see that the Acolyte wouldn’t do well. Star Wars can be different than what has come before. It may even be essential to it surviving. That doesn’t mean they need to rewrite what we’ve known and try change core things about the universe.

Andor is building on what has come before it and is enhancing it. Many didn’t think Rogue One was needed but it turned out to be one of the better films in the saga. It didn’t try to change A New Hope by making think we didn’t understand it before. It enhanced A New Hope by making us appreciate the effort that went into getting those plans and solving some long criticisms about the exhaust port flaw. It made Star Wars better. If they can keep the mindset of enhancing the universe rather than trying to redefine it, they still might be able to save it. At least Andor in good hands.

Very well said.

 

[jye4ever]

Nobody sets out to make something bad. So much time, work, effort, and money goes into making a tv series or movie. It’s just unfortunate that they were so out of touch with the core audience they didn’t see that the Acolyte wouldn’t do well. Star Wars can be different than what has come before. It may even be essential to it surviving. That doesn’t mean they need to rewrite what we’ve known and try change core things about the universe.

Andor is building on what has come before it and is enhancing it. Many didn’t think Rogue One was needed but it turned out to be one of the better films in the saga. It didn’t try to change A New Hope by making think we didn’t understand it before. It enhanced A New Hope by making us appreciate the effort that went into getting those plans and solving some long criticisms about the exhaust port flaw. It made Star Wars better. If they can keep the mindset of enhancing the universe rather than trying to redefine it, they still might be able to save it. At least Andor in good hands.

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[Mondragon]

Nobody sets out to make something bad.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Rian Johnson. Still baffled at his choices.

 

[JAWS]

Nobody sets out to make something bad.

sure seems like Disney doesn’t really want to set out to make a good show.

I mean some of this stuff is so bad I actually feel that is the goal.

Seriously though. Great post.

 

[JAWS]

Yeah I know but they’re very much advertising it as his “iconic” look.

It’s horrible.
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Krennic is coming back ????

 

[choombaz]

Money well spent if you ask me …

Fascinating article on the costs of filmmaking

https://www.forbes.com/sites/caroli...645-million-spending-on-star-wars-show-andor/

 

[jye4ever]

Money well spent if you ask me …

Fascinating article on the costs of filmmaking

https://www.forbes.com/sites/caroli...645-million-spending-on-star-wars-show-andor/

Was that just for S1 or S1 and S2?

 

[Wor-Gar]

Was that just for S1 or S1 and S2?

Article's first paragraph:

Disney has revealed that the cost of making Star Wars streaming show Andor has surged to $645 million (£504.8 million) after it spent a record $290.9 million (£232.1 million) last year on filming its second season which will debut in April 2025

 

[Wor-Gar]

So Andor has already made a $100,000+ profit...?

 

[jaztermareal]

So Andor has already made a $100,000+ profit...?


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hollywood accounting...

 

[jye4ever]

So Andor has already made a $100,000+ profit...?


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They forgot Workers Comp insurance!

Make that $15,000 profit lol

 

[Wor-Gar]

I'd like to see the above-the-line total in that $563,000,000+ production cost

 

[jaztermareal]

I'd like to see the above-the-line total in that $563,000,000+ production cost

Streaming shows are not very profitable in isolation anyway, so even after taking into account creative accounting that hollywood does it won't be very profitable thus far, howver, over time it may prove more profitable than the other shows outside of Mando as the show has legs, it will likely sell Blurays down the line along with other merch and potential spinoffs. If Disney is smart they will edit the seasons into a trilogy of movies and release them theatrically for extra money on the 5th anniversary of the show (do the same for Mandalorian etc for more income). Tie in merch could be released at those times too. Most Disney shows would work better as movies anyway (cut out all the filler and cringe you will be left with better flowing tight stories).

Streaming shows just don't make enough money. Stick to movies.

 

[jaztermareal]

I should add: the 645 million dollars for Andor is spread across 24 episodes so under 27 million per episode (similar to the Acolytes 22.5 million per episode though that cost was likely higher than reported when all costs are counted). The show has its seasons divided into 3-4 arcs of roughly 3 (38–57 minute) episodes each so basically 3-4 movies per season. Basically Andor, a show with very little filler, is basically 2 movie trilogies at roughly 100 million per movie.

The other shows were full of filler and have very short runtimes for the most part and each season could only make 1 movie effectively as they were stretched to breaking point.

Basically, Andor is super freaking expensive for a streaming show but cheaper than a typical movie given the runtime and story content value. Its cost per minute is comparable to other Disney shows but has a much higher quality than the others. Releasing the show theatrically as trilogies would have been the smart move and would have been profitable. Cutting each movie arc up into 3-4 pieces per season ruined the flow of the story and left people saying it was boring since they never reached the finale of each film unless they watched all 3-4 episodes per arc. Watch only the first act of any movie and it won't be so interesting.

Disney are stupid. They could make money by editing their shows into tight movies and release them theatres and home media with tie in merch. Mando season 1 could make for a great movie too for example, as could season 2 when all the filler and stupid/cringe are removed. Disney is basically sitting on a gold mine of potential almost free money with these shows that don't make money on streaming. Just scrap Disney Plus and license to Netflix etc for streaming rights and focus on cinema releases. MAKE MONEY DISNEY!!! IT ISN'T THAT HARD!!!!

 

[Otomofan]

I'd love an edit starting with Cassian getting arrested in Miami, thrown in prison, ending with him swimming to shore.

I bet that would be an hour or less, but it'd be nice to have it all in one place without the Mon Mothma and Imperial sub-plots interrupting.

 

[jye4ever]

Andor is the best thing to come out of Star Wars since ESB where serious drama is concerned and Mandalorian was the best thing to come out of Star Wars since ROTJ where swashbuckling is concerned.

Both have their place.

Sure Andor could’ve had more swashbuckling in it but if you think about it once RO comes you get all the swashbuckling you need in relation to those characters.

 

[xipotec]

I should add: the 645 million dollars for Andor is spread across 24 episodes so under 27 million per episode (similar to the Acolytes 22.5 million per episode though that cost was likely higher than reported when all costs are counted). The show has its seasons divided into 3-4 arcs of roughly 3 (38–57 minute) episodes each so basically 3-4 movies per season. Basically Andor, a show with very little filler, is basically 2 movie trilogies at roughly 100 million per movie.

The other shows were full of filler and have very short runtimes for the most part and each season could only make 1 movie effectively as they were stretched to breaking point.

Basically, Andor is super freaking expensive for a streaming show but cheaper than a typical movie given the runtime and story content value. Its cost per minute is comparable to other Disney shows but has a much higher quality than the others. Releasing the show theatrically as trilogies would have been the smart move and would have been profitable. Cutting each movie arc up into 3-4 pieces per season ruined the flow of the story and left people saying it was boring since they never reached the finale of each film unless they watched all 3-4 episodes per arc. Watch only the first act of any movie and it won't be so interesting.

Disney are stupid. They could make money by editing their shows into tight movies and release them theatres and home media with tie in merch. Mando season 1 could make for a great movie too for example, as could season 2 when all the filler and stupid/cringe are removed. Disney is basically sitting on a gold mine of potential almost free money with these shows that don't make money on streaming. Just scrap Disney Plus and license to Netflix etc for streaming rights and focus on cinema releases. MAKE MONEY DISNEY!!! IT ISN'T THAT HARD!!!!

Totally disagree.

Movies are a dead medium to most folks, if the first film does well it's always diminishing returns from that point.

Contrary to what you read here, Andor was just not popular enough with a mass audience to justify films.

 

[JAWS]

Andor is the best thing to come out of Star Wars since ESB where serious drama is concerned and Mandalorian was the best thing to come out of Star Wars since ROTJ

I heard Jack Black and Lizzo will be in season 2