Star Wars: Andor (September 21st, 2022)

[Victοr]

Gustaf was great as Floki in Vikings.

Annoying character whom I hated, but yeah, he rocked the part.

 

[abake]

This does look very interesting. Besides, it does seem to explore and expand the universe, instead of just retreading it.

 

[Mondragon]

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Guerrilla warriors and the inside of the Rebel Alliance is a great place for a War saga, as RO proved.

Absolutely.
Looks fantastic, I think we are jump cutting two time lines young and older Andor "guerrilla" in the making, surviving up against the ever encroaching Empire.
Plus a parallel narrative of Mon Mothma as a diplomat trying to survive against the same. Whose life is no less at risk.
Eventually these two very different narratives will collide and ally. Very intriguing approach.

This does look very interesting. Besides, it does seem to explore and expand the universe, instead of just retreading it.

True, felt like a different in, to this universe.

 

[ZE_501]

Much like Rogue One, this is really leaning into The Empire as a bunch of Space Nazis rather than dwelling on Space Wizards, and all of the grit and intrigue that entails.

I've very often compared the best aspects of Star Wars to WWII movies, and this appears to be set squarely in that arena. Looks exciting and the trailer at least, looks to be true to the tone of a character that shoots an informant and ally in the back for the sake of 'the greater good'.

 

[jye4ever]

Obi-Wan going to be like Dora the Explorer!

 

[choombaz]

Andor … bringing back the Wars in Star Wars

 

[Khev]

This blew away the ObiWan trailers

Hell yeah that was freaking cool.

 

[Khev]

And I agree with loki2371 regarding the diverse Imperials. Feels like it goes against the point Lucas was making in the OT.

Agreed, it's pretty jarring. At least we've gotten some gems like Bodhi Rook, the woman at the Corellian checkpoint in Solo, and Gideon. So hopefully the new Imps follow in the tradition of those three and not what's her name from Kenobi.

 

[Mondragon]

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Obi-Wan going to be like Dora the Explorer!

So does that make...

 

[Wor-Gar]

Surprised in this day and age why "the evil Empire" wasn't left as 'single white males'? This is the perfect time to make that point, isn't it? The whole 'white toxic male' thing is literally in its heyday.

Disney - missing the boat again.

 

[Sachiel]

The Empire is supposed to be racist and evil. But I guess now they are an EO employer..

The New recruitment posters after Disney became a major shareholder in the Empire....

"All sexes, races & species welcome to apply, but must meet the requirement of having the desire to be evil and excited to subjugate and enslave the universe"...

And I agree with loki2371 regarding the diverse Imperials. Feels like it goes against the point Lucas was making in the OT.

Agreed, it's pretty jarring.

Surprised in this day and age why "the evil Empire" wasn't left as 'single white males'? This is the perfect time to make that point, isn't it? The whole 'white toxic male' thing is literally in its heyday.

So now they're not being 'woke' enough?

I wouldn't worry too much though, seems white males still outnumber everyone in the evil galaxy-spanning empire.

 

[Khev]

Surprised in this day and age why "the evil Empire" wasn't left as 'single white males'? This is the perfect time to make that point, isn't it? The whole 'white toxic male' thing is literally in its heyday.

Disney - missing the boat again.

Exactly, they went out of their way to go against their own narrative *and* the OT, lol.

 

[ZE_501]

And I agree with loki2371 regarding the diverse Imperials. Feels like it goes against the point Lucas was making in the OT.

I don't think he was making a point in 1977. I just think it was a time and place where a lot of white male actors were often cast as a matter of course, particularly in period (obviously) and genre films where things like British accents stood in for anything aristocratic and/or villainous. And it worked well.

All the stuff about the Emperor being a human supremacist and tacking on male chauvinism or whiteness was -- I think -- an afterthought, firstly as artifacts of the EU and later projections by people reacting to demographic corrections and over-corrections as societal mores changed, pandering or otherwise.

Aliens in Star Wars were for the most part creepy, outlandish or monstrous creatures adding depth and texture to a space opera about humans and human concerns.

The Imperials were a bunch of snobby Space Nazis with rank-and-file soldiers being depicted as more working-class and Tarkin's attack dog Vader was a singular, mysterious villain with dark powers.

Sure, aliens expanded their roles in the story as budgets and scope expanded for the sequels, but I maintain Lucas was always just making it up as he went along.

 

[Prime Clone]

Surprised in this day and age why "the evil Empire" wasn't left as 'single white males'? This is the perfect time to make that point, isn't it? The whole 'white toxic male' thing is literally in its heyday.

Disney - missing the boat again.

I've been thinking the same thing. Though TBF Thrawn was the beginning of the end of the Imperial white boys' club.

Also, the white male lead in the ST was the villain but also turned out to be the most popular.

I don't think he was making a point in 1977. I just think it was a time and place where a lot of white male actors were often cast as a matter of course, particularly in period (obviously) and genre films where things like British accents stood in for anything aristocratic and/or villainous. And it worked well.

Though as you mention there is the Nazi parallel, and who better to play it than white males!

 

[Mondragon]

Surprised in this day and age why "the evil Empire" wasn't left as 'single white males'? This is the perfect time to make that point, isn't it? The whole 'white toxic male' thing is literally in its heyday.

Disney - missing the boat again.

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Compared to the very multi ethnic shots of the Rebels ?

 

[MyenShi]

Much like Rogue One, this is really leaning into The Empire as a bunch of Space Nazis rather than dwelling on Space Wizards, and all of the grit and intrigue that entails.

I've very often compared the best aspects of Star Wars to WWII movies, and this appears to be set squarely in that arena. Looks exciting and the trailer at least, looks to be true to the tone of a character that shoots an informant and ally in the back for the sake of 'the greater good'.

I agree, and I also appreciate that tonally it looks like it’s aiming to be part political thriller which is an important genre that’s been missing from Star Wars.

Instead of stilted dialogue and flat shot reverse-shot, the fall of the Republic and Jedi Order should’ve been written and shot as a political thriller in the PT. I’ve always felt that was a tremendous missed opportunity.

Also interesting that there’s Phase 2 Clone armor. I wonder what the context is; flashback, a holdout, old gear, or the last of the Imperial Clones seen in TBB.

 

[Khev]

First practical clones?

 

[jye4ever]

First practical clones?

Was it confirmed that the clones from BOBF were cgi.

 

[ZE_501]

First practical clones?

Beat me to it. Sure looks like it, unless they *really* improved the CG.

 

[ZE_501]

Was it confirmed that the clones from BOBF were cgi.

It had clones? Flashback I guess?