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jye4ever
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To me Anakin was and did plenty of good before "dying" and becoming Darth Vader. So basically he soul died then long before he "came back". He died a Jedi when as he became Darth Vader and became a Sith.
As far as Luke never having seen young Anakin. He really never saw old anakin or what he would have looked like. What he saw was a burnt up hot dog. I mean if thats the case lets put that on the body. Also to me Luke is every bit as whiny as Anakin is and are equals in that regard in ANH vs AOTC.
As far as Luke never having seen young Anakin. He really never saw old anakin or what he would have looked like. What he saw was a burnt up hot dog.
I mean if thats the case lets put that on the body. Also to me Luke is every bit as whiny as Anakin is and are equals in that regard in ANH vs AOTC.No, he still had what was left of his goodness inside. So he was fighting to free what was left that was Anakin. Freeing it of the shell it was in which was Darth Vader.
EVILFACE
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Got my set ordered. Can't wait to hear the Jedi Rocks number in glorious DTS Surround Sound!!!
melanarus
Super Freak
Did anyone catch this Star Wars Afficando article about the authenticity (meaning it's all unearthed footage and not parts being newly shot, recorded or cg'd) of the “Lost” Tatooine Cave Scene"? It's going to be one of the deleted scenes on the Blu Ray box. It's got an interview with RETURN OF THE JEDI’s producer Howard Kazanjian who goes step by step through the scene basically stating it wasn't all authentic footage including that the James Earl Jones dialogue has to be newly recorded.
https://starwarsaficionado.blogspot...-max=2010-08-25T09:13:00-07:00&max-results=20
Also, Mark Hamill is stated in the article that he never shot the scene, as this article also states in an interview with him (this is before the scene was shown to him completed at Star Wars Celebration):
https://www.originalprop.com/blog/2...the-jedi-lightsaber-lost-tatooine-cave-scene/
The funny thing is in the unveiling of the "lost Scene" at Celebration with Mark Hamil, George Lucas and John Stewart on stage, Lucas looks really nervous before the scene, Mark even offers him a cigarette! I think they just did some CG of Mark's cleft Chin on another hooded actor's shadowed face.
Over on Aintitcoolnews.com, they had an article about some insider rumors that George plans to do two more Star Wars films after all 6 Star Wars films are rereleased in 3-d (with more tampering and tinkering no doubt). It may be a looong stretch, but there were many articles last Dec about George Lucas buying likenesses of deceased actors to bring them back to the silver screen via CG. The article below even quotes George's friend, the director of Radioland Murders that exact statement:
https://www.geekologie.com/2010/12/shameless_george_lucas_buying.php
So could he of been buying those rights of likenesses of actors to do cg tests before he would make a further 2 Star Wars movies with perhaps CG Luke, Leia and Han since those actors are too old to do the sequels? Just speculating...
https://starwarsaficionado.blogspot...-max=2010-08-25T09:13:00-07:00&max-results=20
Also, Mark Hamill is stated in the article that he never shot the scene, as this article also states in an interview with him (this is before the scene was shown to him completed at Star Wars Celebration):
https://www.originalprop.com/blog/2...the-jedi-lightsaber-lost-tatooine-cave-scene/
The funny thing is in the unveiling of the "lost Scene" at Celebration with Mark Hamil, George Lucas and John Stewart on stage, Lucas looks really nervous before the scene, Mark even offers him a cigarette! I think they just did some CG of Mark's cleft Chin on another hooded actor's shadowed face.
Over on Aintitcoolnews.com, they had an article about some insider rumors that George plans to do two more Star Wars films after all 6 Star Wars films are rereleased in 3-d (with more tampering and tinkering no doubt). It may be a looong stretch, but there were many articles last Dec about George Lucas buying likenesses of deceased actors to bring them back to the silver screen via CG. The article below even quotes George's friend, the director of Radioland Murders that exact statement:
https://www.geekologie.com/2010/12/shameless_george_lucas_buying.php
So could he of been buying those rights of likenesses of actors to do cg tests before he would make a further 2 Star Wars movies with perhaps CG Luke, Leia and Han since those actors are too old to do the sequels? Just speculating...
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Read my post again. That was my whole point. When he died he was no longer Vader. Why should his ghost be of his younger self if his goodness came out at the end? That makes Luke trying to save him pointless.
galactiboy
OT Preferist
That is essentially my feeling on it... sure the disembodied head is a funny take on it, but I didn't notice Kenobi missing his lower body from the lightsaber that killed him
My six year old went nuts when he saw Hayden at the end if Jedi. It was the most excited he was during his viewing of the OT. I showed him the PT first which most little ones prefer. As a lifelong long SW fan I to prefer Hayden as the Anakin ghost.
I read it. Because what was left inside of him that was Anakin died when he looked like what Anakin did during ROTS. As I said thats when Anakin died his soul was just trapped inside Darth Vader. No, he was trying to save Anakin his father which he did by freeing his soul from the shell it was in. Again, he did that but Anakin died long before the body it was in did.
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I want to add my thoughts on the Saga especially the PT. If episode 1 came out in 1977 don't you think it would be a classic the way A New Hope is? I mean come on (OT only) people the PT had to fill the shoes of a timeless classic plus was released during a totally different era. No internet in 1977, not 1/2 as many critics there are now. No competion in 1977 as kids movies go. There was the Godfather and Rocky but those weren't really kids movies. There was nothing like SW nothing. Viewers were amazed from the first scene. Episode 1 was and will probably be the MOST anticipated movie of all time and I admit it was a little let down but there is no way it's a terrible movie. I absolutley love ROTS and love the way it ties in to the OT. The PT will always have it's critics but it also will pick up more and more fans everyday. I have fun watching my son get into SW and the PT for him was like how the OT was for me when I was younger. Yes the PT will never be as popular or consider a classic the way the OT is but not because they stink but because of the era it was released. For me I think they are really fun movies to watch that add a lot to Saga. Plus there are ton a new charaters like Maul, Jango and seeing yoda with a saber is just awesome.
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Hayden makes waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more sense at the end of Jedi than Shaw.
Makes less sense to me.
Shaw was how he looked when he redeemed himself and thus became, in effect, a Jedi once again.
Hayden is how Anakin looked when he TURNED to the Dark Side. Makes no sense at all.
From a filmmaking perspective, it kind of makes sense to attempt to visually tie the two trilogies together, but from a philosophical point of view, it doesn't work, imo.
I do. At least as far as imprinting on the youth of the time is concerned. Similarly if SW never existed and ANH debuted this summer as a brand new movie it wouldn't be the phenomenon that it was either. It'd probably be viewed in much the same vein as Captain America. A heartwarming throwback to adventure and clean cut heroes but otherwise just another movie in a sea of mega-franchises.
That's why I try to eliminate audience expectation or the release date year time when judging my enjoyment of movies like these.
Superman: The Movie is considered an absolute CLASSIC by "discriminating" members of this forum. But I saw it on the big screen in a limited release a few years ago (celebrating whatever year it was just restored) and the audience absolutely GUFFAWED during the entire "Can you read my mind" flying poetry.
Does Superman suddenly suck? No, that's just how audiences are these days. Nobody would have laughed at Yoda giving up or Vader's "Nooo" in 1977 or 1983 or they would have laughed when Vader was fighting Luke in ROTJ and randomly gave up and leaned against the railing and then went, "aaaaaaaah" after Luke cut off his hand.
The Hayden ghost works for me because:
1. I'm fine with the existence of the PT
and
2. I'm familiar with the 1983 ROTJ novelization. When Vader is unmasked in front of Luke it is noted that he was ashamed that he couldn't appear as the more dashing and heroic Jedi that he used to be. So even as a redeemed Jedi he couldn't shake having just a little remaining vanity. So Christensen's ghost makes good on a notion that was at least envisioned "back in the day."
SpaceCrawler
Super Freak
There were plenty of films that came out in 1977... like "Death Bed: The Bed That Eats". Just because it was released then doesn't mean it will be considered a classic today. It has to be GOOD to be considered a classic.
Phantom Menace wasn't good. The PT and particularly the Phantom Menace fails on many levels. It in no way fills the spot that Star Wars filled in our culture (an epic, clever, humorous, romantic, nostalgic, innocent adventure during a time of increasing pessimism - told by truly talented people hungry to make their mark). Phantom Menace was poorly written, poorly acted and poorly directed. The whole PT was poorly thought out, particularly when compared to the OT.
It was pretty much entirely uninteresting and void of any charm, intelligence or originality. If it were released in 1977 it would have flopped, IMO. I know very few kids who like the PT beyond the space ships and toys related to it (granted, ROTS, while massively flawed, was somewhat more tolerable than the other 2, but certainly not up to par of the OT). There just isn't that visceral, emotional connection that the (now) older generation had to Star Wars. Star Wars had a MUCH more solid bond to (and impact on) kids and adults, and I think that the PT simply rides on the coattails of the earlier films without the emotional investment from audiences. Without the original 3 films, the PTs would not have much shelf life, IMO.
Sean
As you all can see Space Crawler is very opinionated and mistakes his opinions for fact. 
Mad Old Lu
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I pretty much agree with everything there. Maybe there might have been some hoopla regarding the special effects, but that would have been short-lived til the next special-effects laden movie would have replaced it.
The OT isn't perfect when you start scrutinizing it, but it was still much better written and directed than the PT.
SpaceCrawler
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As you all can see Space Crawler is very opinionated and mistakes his opinions for fact.
No, I do not. I repeatedly said "IMO, which stands for "in my opinion". Maybe I should have inserted it more. I guess I need to say IMO after each sentence I write in order to avoid your wrath. IMO.
Sean (IMO)
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Regarding what will be hailed as future "classics" in years to come I think its interesting that after audiences had years to digest both the LOTR and SW Prequel trilogies more people watch the PT on television than LOTR.
In 2008 when Spike and TNT aired the two trilogies simultaneously the SW PT averaged 3.4 million viewers per movie compared to 2.6 million for the LOTR.
Of course those stats alone don't declare one trilogy as "better" than the other but I think its very interesting nonetheless.
https://www.allamericanpatriots.com/48745646_spike-tv-scores-record-ratings-star-wars-saga
In 2008 when Spike and TNT aired the two trilogies simultaneously the SW PT averaged 3.4 million viewers per movie compared to 2.6 million for the LOTR.
Of course those stats alone don't declare one trilogy as "better" than the other but I think its very interesting nonetheless.
https://www.allamericanpatriots.com/48745646_spike-tv-scores-record-ratings-star-wars-saga
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