Star Wars Saga (OT/PT/ST) Discussion Thread

[Wor-Gar]

You gotta admit TLJ is the sequel that most acknowledges/delves into the PT anyway.

 

[ZE_501]

 

[Sachiel]

You gotta admit TLJ is the sequel that most acknowledges/delves into the PT anyway.

wtf I love TLJ now

 

[a-dev]

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You mean at various completely disconnected and unrelated points in their respective movies these two characters were filmed at similar angles making similar facial expressions?

 

[Khev]

You mean at various completely disconnected and unrelated points in their respective movies these two characters were filmed at similar angles making similar facial expressions?

Filming two separate characters in two separate trilogies at completely disconnected and unrelated points in their respective movies at similar angles is tight!

 

[ajp4mgs]

It just shows how good the prequels could have been with better acting, writing, and less obvious CGI.

Better acting and/or better visual effects would've allowed me to appreciate those films more on a technical level, but it's just the better writing alone that I'd need as a total game changer. I've never agreed with the popular sentiment that the underlying story of the PT was solid, and that it was only undermined by poor execution. Sometimes I'm not even sure what "story" people are referring to when they say that.

The story centers around a main overarching plot and a main character plot. But the overarching plot requires that everything which befell the Republic (as a consequence of Palpatine) could only happen if the Jedi are complete idiots. And the character plot requires that Anakin sell his soul to become OT Vader for an underdeveloped and ultimately incoherent motive.

Plus, the introduction of midichlorians and "Chosen One" prophecy just makes that dark turn a matter of fatalism anyway; apparently born to fulfill a destiny in a needlessly convoluted way (while also undermining the OT finale as a consequence). There's nothing I consider "solid" about any part of that story.

So... better acting = more enjoyable viewing. Better CGI, or use of traditional practical effects = better immersive experience. Better writing = I'll take the bad acting and obvious CGI and be happy. All three is asking too much.

 

[ajp4mgs]

You gotta admit TLJ is the sequel that most acknowledges/delves into the PT anyway.

Too true, unfortunately. And RJ has praised the PT while JJ can barely disguise his loathing for them. It's the only reason for me to concur with those who say JJ should've made all 3 ST movies.

 

[a-dev]

Filming two separate characters in two separate trilogies at completely disconnected and unrelated points in their respective movies at similar angles is tight!

 

[Dark_Knight_89]

Better acting and/or better visual effects would've allowed me to appreciate those films more on a technical level, but it's just the better writing alone that I'd need as a total game changer. I've never agreed with the popular sentiment that the underlying story of the PT was solid, and that it was only undermined by poor execution. Sometimes I'm not even sure what "story" people are referring to when they say that.

The story centers around a main overarching plot and a main character plot. But the overarching plot requires that everything which befell the Republic (as a consequence of Palpatine) could only happen if the Jedi are complete idiots. And the character plot requires that Anakin sell his soul to become OT Vader for an underdeveloped and ultimately incoherent motive.

Plus, the introduction of midichlorians and "Chosen One" prophecy just makes that dark turn a matter of fatalism anyway; apparently born to fulfill a destiny in a needlessly convoluted way (while also undermining the OT finale as a consequence). There's nothing I consider "solid" about any part of that story.

So... better acting = more enjoyable viewing. Better CGI, or use of traditional practical effects = better immersive experience. Better writing = I'll take the bad acting and obvious CGI and be happy. All three is asking too much.

I don't like the ST but it does provide a perfect response to this.

 

[Prime Clone]

I've never agreed with the popular sentiment that the underlying story of the PT was solid, and that it was only undermined by poor execution. Sometimes I'm not even sure what "story" people are referring to when they say that.

I knew Lucas hated writing, but was still surprised to learn (in Icons Unearthed) that he hadn't even written the script for AOTC in time for preproduction - he just gave Jonathan Hales the beginning and end and let him make up the rest.

ROTS was the only instalment Lucas ever had clear in his mind.

 

[MeatHookGekko]

Better acting and/or better visual effects would've allowed me to appreciate those films more on a technical level, but it's just the better writing alone that I'd need as a total game changer. I've never agreed with the popular sentiment that the underlying story of the PT was solid, and that it was only undermined by poor execution. Sometimes I'm not even sure what "story" people are referring to when they say that.

Ryan Phillippe, Paul Walker, Colin Hanks, Heath Ledger, James Van Der Beek, Joshua Jackson, Eric Christian Olsen, Erik von Detten, Chris Klein, and Jonathan Brandis.

That's who auditioned besides Christensen.

The mistake ( one of many IMHO) that the Prequel Trilogy made was not just having Anakin already as an adult and then delving into his childhood via flashbacks. Limited flashbacks. Not using an entire movie from a small but critical snippet of his childhood.

If you look at the list above, only Ledger was a competent actor. I suppose an argument could be made that Walker was a passable mid range "movie star" but the rest were basically cannon fodder.

Lucas made this way harder than it had to be. Start Anakin as an adult but before his turn to Vader, then have brief interludes into his formative years. Then you'd have three films to build a relationship between Anakin and the eventual mother of Luke/Leia, instead of a few scattered scenes of two teenagers talking about the beauty of sand. There was zero chemistry between Christensen and Portman.

Darth Maul was utterly wasted.

One could argue that the trilogy should have just spent 3 films with Liam Neeson as adult Anakin.

I don't see the point in having disposable characters. In essense, Qui Gonn and Maul were disposable. Jar Jar Binks became disposable. You only have three films to cover a lot of ground. So minimize the character bloat. Just focus on the Emperor, older Anakin, the future wife/mother, Obi Wan and an antagonist like Maul. Really develop just a few characters instead of the endless rotation of cameos and side characters to ensure merchandising options.

 

[Prime Clone]

Too true, unfortunately. And RJ has praised the PT while JJ can barely disguise his loathing for them. It's the only reason for me to concur with those who say JJ should've made all 3 ST movies.

Oh and as it stand he did one better and one worse than the PT. He should’ve either done all three or left it at one.

 

[Rogerbee]

Hmmm,

You mention Darth Maul. It's possible that, had he played a larger role in the prequels, we might not have had the Clone Wars, which wouldn't have given us characters like Ahsoka Tano who really shone in The Book of Boba Fett and The Mandalorian. Things have happened the way they have for a reason, whether we choose to like them or not.

 

[ZE_501]

Hmmm,

You mention Darth Maul. It's possible that, had he played a larger role in the prequels, we might not have had the Clone Wars,

How so? He was one player (major, minor -- still just one) in a sprawling, Galaxy-wide conflict orchestrated by Palpatine. Whatever role he played and however he did or didn't end, no reason I can see for not having TCW series.

which wouldn't have given us characters like Ahsoka Tano who really shone in The Book of Boba Fett and The Mandalorian. Things have happened the way they have for a reason, whether we choose to like them or not.

Agree to disagree on that one.

 

[Rogerbee]

Well, in the grand scheme of things, I suppose it's neither here nor there. What's done is done. We'll just have to see what comes along next. Will we see more multi season stuff, or more mini series, we shall see.......

 

[Khev]

 

[ScoutingForToys]

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Be Natalie Portman's stay at home kept man? Well if you insist....

 

[ScoutingForToys]

 

[Rogerbee]

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LOL! Good one!

 

[pixletwin]

I love that guys videos.