Star Wars Saga (OT/PT/ST) Discussion Thread

[jaztermareal]

In my mind:

ROTS, Andor, Rogue One, ANH, TESB, ROTJ: Canon

TPM, AOTC, Solo, Mando s1, Mando s2: Acceptable

Ewoks 1, Ewoks 2, Kenobi, TBOBF, Mando s3, Ahsoka, TFA, TLJ, TROS: Bad fan fiction



I fully expect the Acolyte, the Rey movie and Skeleton Crew to fall into that third category. Andor s2 might be the only truly good thing coming down the line

 

[SWFAN1000]

I had him which means some lame family member bought him for me because there's no way I went to the store with allowance money and picked him off the shelf, lol.

Maybe he was only one left on the pegs

 

[Khev]

Maybe he was only one left on the pegs

I'm 90% positive that that was the case, lol.

 

[Asta]

A bit late, but it's the thought that counts...

 

[xipotec]

Every year the family gets together at a cabin, where we work on various fun stuff, lego, models, and various crafts....

We usually watch/play in the background, a long series for the entire trip.....last trip was ST TNG.

This time SW content.

Here are the pooled reviews and results from this years viewing.

TPM : same, widely disliked
AOTC: worst of all the media we watched, by far, laugh riot of badness.
ROTS: Generally liked, most felt the same as first viewing.

ANH: Still liked well enough, showing its age. Luke seemed way more whiney to everyone. CGI enhancements, were mostly despised, as were the dubbed lines.
ESB: Universally loved, most felt it was even better than remembered. Except for the over done Emperor scene.
ROTJ: Again, same as ESB, Ewoks not hated as much as before, but once again, added CGI and dubbing not appreciated.

TFW: Almost universal praise, even though it was noted of the similar story to ANH, they loved the snappy dialogue, and overall arc.
TLJ: Major disappointment following TFA, They felt all the arcs were dropped from the potential set up in TFA, for dumber stuff. Some parts not as bad as remembered, a few way worse than remembered.
ROS: Mostly likeded but had rushed hangover effect from trying to reset arcs laid down in TLJ. Excellent action, but too much trying to be tied up. Fun overall.

 

[xipotec]

Part 2:
Obi Wan series: Very much liked, eapecially for the last 3 episodes. Ewan got big praise. They liked the overall story, but felt casting was a major issue. Especially with the main villain, and the "scam jedi"

Rouge One: Fell a bit from its lofty heights, pacing was slow, and they felt it really didnt stand out until the final half.

Boba Fett: Mostly liked, they thought is was way better second viewing, all in a row. Still has some really hates characters. A a few wasted episodes.

Mando 1-3. Just started out great, then degraded over the seasons. Filler episodes very obvious. Last season was poo poo...

 

[jaztermareal]

Part 2:
Obi Wan series: Very much liked, eapecially for the last 3 episodes. Ewan got big praise. They liked the overall story, but felt casting was a major issue. Especially with the main villain, and the "scam jedi"

Rouge One: Fell a bit from its lofty heights, pacing was slow, and they felt it really didnt stand out until the final half.

Boba Fett: Mostly liked, they thought is was way better second viewing, all in a row. Still has some really hates characters. A a few wasted episodes.

Mando 1-3. Just started out great, then degraded over the seasons. Filler episodes very obvious. Last season was poo poo...

What about Andor and Ahsoka? The Ewok movies? The Holiday special????

 

[xipotec]

What about Andor and Ahsoka? The Ewok movies? The Holiday special????

This is all we watched. My son had not yet seen Asoka, and wantes to save it for when he's back at college. All of these were second viewings for the family.

The SW holiday special should never be viewed twice.

 

[Khev]

What about Andor and Ahsoka? The Ewok movies? The Holiday special????

Dude he just watched 147 hours of Star Wars in three days, cut him some slack, lol.

 

[Otomofan]

TFW: Almost universal praise,

 

[jaztermareal]

Dude he just watched 147 hours of Star Wars in three days, cut him some slack, lol.

Do, or do not, there is no try. This is the way.
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Something something dark siiiiide.

 

[xipotec]

Dude he just watched 147 hours of Star Wars in three days, cut him some slack, lol.

and about 3 STar Trek films

 

[ScoutingForToys]

 

[Mondragon]

Worth repeating^ how was this pov not in the writers room?

Luke's instinct was to run towards, never let go, hide or give up on his friends, family those he loved. While simultaneously recognizing both halves of what he was, (he wore that as a symbol on his hand) and ultimately did not deny or fear it (thus not allowing it to control him and his actions). Thus Luke become a Jedi (his way).
By following his own instincts, choices and actions, he successfully and visibly transformed and saved his father, where others before him had failed. Thus bringing about the Return of the Jedi.
That was Luke at the end of the OT.

Disney's Luke is a betrayal of all that, and irreconcilable with the choices and learned experience of OT Luke.
They are not the same character. (or rather (for me) he can't reasonably be a progression of the same character).

 

[jaztermareal]

Worth repeating^ how was this pov not in the writers room?

Luke's instinct was to run towards, never let go, hide or give up on his friends, family those he loved. While simultaneously recognizing both halves of what he was, (he wore that as a symbol on his hand) and ultimately did not not deny or fear it (thus not allowing it to control him and his actions). Thus Luke become a Jedi (his way).
By following his own instincts, choices and actions, he successfully and visibly transformed and saved his father, where others before him had failed. Thus bringing about the Return of the Jedi.
That was Luke at the end of the OT.

Disney's Luke is a betrayal of all that, and irreconcilable with the choices and learned experience of OT Luke.
They are not the same character. (or rather (for me) he can't reasonably be a progression of the same character).

Not just Luke, but almost everything in the ST felt like a completely unnatural progression: Han reverts to smuggler undoing all character growth, the republic forgets entirely the threat of the remnant and demilitarised in just a couple decades, the resistance vs First Order is literally the saga reverting back to Rebels v Empire dynamic ignoring the victory of ROTJ and the establishment of the new republic, the death star for the 3rd time (seriously? Again?), the undoing of Luke and Anakins victory (not to mention the chosen one prophecy about Anakin skywalker destroying the Sith) just so Rey can, the hyperspace holdo maneuver that retroactively makes the rebels in the OT absolute idiots for not using it before, Rey not needing any training to do everything Luke could plus way more despite Luke (and all Jedi before) needing to be trained etc etc etc. And of course X wings, Tie Fighters, Stormtroopers etc again.

The sequel trilogy was devoid of creativity and even everyones favourite, TFA, was basically just ANH: the remake. None of it was a natural progression of the story and so does not fit with what came before.


After the prequels Star Wars was in the emergency room. Now, after the sequels, it is on life support just about clinging to life with the occasional good or at least OK show like Mandalorian and Andor. It only took Disney a decade to bring the biggest franchise down to irrelevance. Nowadays many toy stores I visit are devoid of Star Wars outside of lego. It went from entire toy aisles to small shelves to nothing. I have over the past couple years bought quite literally a thousand or more Star Wars figures (especially Disney era ones) for super cheap at carboot sales or on selling platforms because people don't want them and the demand is low enough that they can't charge a lot. Heck, figures that were 16 to 20 quid at release get reduced to clear for 2-4 quid in the stores that do stock them as they just aren't selling.


The brand desperately needs good movies and shows and the tarnish of the sequel trilogy needs to be removed for any project to really work because if everything leads to or proceeds from the sequels they wont be worth investing in. The franchise at this point needs a reset, either partial or full. It is too badly damaged to succeed beyond mediocre success at this point.

 

[Mondragon]

They never actually liked SW, Everything you need to know about the next wave of SW films
It's not about telling good stories... it's about trying to make men uncomfortable, ie "fixing" SW and those who liked it.
Meet the new SW story group:


Men like well written female action heroes.
Of course this will be lost on them, but they like Ripley, Conner, and Leia, (before Disney turned her into the useless, slap-happy, can't get anyone to follow her, least inspiring leader in the galaxy),
What bothers them is bad story tellers.

 

[pixletwin]

Making Star Wars to make men encomfortable... not to tell a good story. Gotcha.

 

[Khev]

They never actually liked SW, Everything you need to know about the next wave of SW films
It's not about telling good stories... it's about trying to make men uncomfortable, ie "fixing" SW and those who liked it.
Meet the new SW story group:


Of course this will be lost on them, but like Ripley, Conner, and Leia, (before Disney turned her into the useless, slap-happy, can't get anyone to follow her, least inspiring leader in the galaxy), men like well written female action heroes.
What bothers them is bad story tellers.

a-dev already said it best:

 

[Dave_W]

People are gonna hate the film anyway because of past experiences, but they're gonna hate it even more after that clip. I'm not saying she should pander to misogynists but if you come across as a bit of a cnt you're asking for it. She'd make an awful politician. Also, **** Matt Walsh!!

 

[a-dev]

I don't see the benefit of the adversarial approach so many activists like to wear as a badge of honour. This ''pissing off the right people'' attitude. You're not going to win anyone over who wasn't already on your side and if you're not winning formerly opposed people over what exactly have you achieved other than stoke the 'culture wars' further?