Star Wars Saga (OT/PT/ST) Discussion Thread

[jaztermareal]

Marvel (for all the silly stuff they put out) had still imagined it different, and made Kenobi a Jedi Knight badass (well expect for the white boots) - https://www.collectorfreaks.com/thr...iscussion-thread.245332/page-71#post-11036144

George had said in the past that Lukes ROTJ outfit was a Jedi Knights uniform before he retconned things. Even for the Phantom Menace they were going to go with the sort of ninja/samurai look for Jedi uniforms (a couple concepts got made as figures labeled "jedi training gear"

that Obiwan figure is fairly close to Lukes ROTJ look and works for a knight. They could have still had monk-like Jedi at the temples wearing robes (perhaps white/gold robes) but the jedi knights should have worn something different from desert robes. George could have had them wear robes for Tattooine as a disguise, that would have worked

 

[Felinx]

There are random dudes on the streets of Mos Eisley wearing similar to Ben's robes (just as there are random dudes wearing similar to Luke's outfit) - even landspeeder salesman guy gets in on the "jedi look outfit" action - so I think it was initially just meant to be pretty generic desert robes, not in any way related to Jedi knights.

And in fan magazines in the time of ANH and ESB, they would often show Luke in a black outfit when they were pushing a jedi knight angle. Luke's ROTJ outfit probably was sort of what GL thought of for a Jedi outfit - long hooded cloak, black outfit - yet you do wonder what the thought was with ghost Anakin at the end (other than it making him a father figure like Ben had been.)

All this being said, Ben's robes are indeed mimicking Samurai robes (the next logical step being swords, warriors, combat etc) so it does sort of make sense to go with that look as a Jedi's gear but I can't say I've loved seeing so many others over the decades in an outfit that for quite a number of years was just old Ben's desert robes.

 

[Dave_W]

I like to imagine what would have been if the Jedi looked like Baylan and Shin. Actual Knights.

 

[ZE_501]

I like to imagine what would have been if the Jedi looked like Baylan and Shin. Actual Knights.

I didn't like their costumes because they looked like anachronistic medieval fantasy LARPers. They looked *cool* but to me they didn't fit. YMMV of course.

I think some of ROTJ Luke's looks -- simple, sci-fi but dramatic -- were good enough. Darth Maul looked right to me, as well, given what he was.

If they had stayed with Lucas' Kurosawa-meets-Flash Gordon-shakes-hands-with-Buck Rogers-high-fives-Dambusters-tip-of-the-hat-to-Westerns thing ... without being too literal (meaning Knights in plate armour) I would have been happy but it's a mixed bag across all films and shows.

You can argue the desert robes were doing that (Samurai-esque) but they didn't make sense given the ANH setup.

I'll be the first to admit it's an open-ended mission and difficult to please everyone with their own internal visions of what it should look like, but I think one of the reasons the OT nailed it was because they had to work within constraints and limitations that kept the visual language concise and somewhat abstracted from the source material.

Rogue One's production design and costume department nailed it for the most part, IMO. Andor did really well with it too, unsurprisingly.

 

[jye4ever]

ZE is right, it could’ve been worse…

 

[Wor-Gar]

Sadly, Ben's Tatooine disguise gave him a deliberate "monk" appearance which then became synonymous with 'Jedi'... and then George just went with it.

The simple fix would have been simply for George to just leave out the 'brown cloak' as an addition to the PT Jedi attire. They didn't need those cloaks, and in fact when they fought they tossed them aside.

 

[xipotec]

Sadly, Ben's Tatooine disguise gave him a deliberate "monk" appearance which then became synonymous with 'Jedi'... and then George just went with it.

Dumb call, but let's be honest, we all accepted really stupid stuff all along for the OT, and only stopped accepting it PT and beyond.

1. His last name is SKYWALKER?
2. Lives on the same planet as his Dad did.
3. His sister and him meet in a galaxy full of trillions.
4. Both Yoda and Ben lie repeatedly, and are the good guys, Vader tells the truth all along.

I am sure there are a ton more we blindly accept.

 

[Felinx]

Dumb call, but let's be honest, we all accepted really stupid stuff all along for the OT, and only stopped accepting it PT and beyond.

1. His last name is SKYWALKER?
2. Lives on the same planet as his Dad did.
3. His sister and him meet in a galaxy full of trillions.
4. Both Yoda and Ben lie repeatedly, and are the good guys, Vader tells the truth all along.

I am sure there are a ton more we blindly accept.

Agreed technically but there's also a lot of caveats.

1. A problem, but more of a problem in the internet/social media era than it was in the 1970s (e.g. we are all now aware how many people share our name today) - there were things you could do with identity/name/personal history in the 1970s you can't today. Far easier for the brother you never knew you had to be living in the next city, or dad having a whole other wife/family two states over.
And also the way Anakin was set up in the OT was (to me at least) different to the way it was shown in the PT - he was built up in the PT to be this once-in-a-millennium prophet figure whereas he was more just a warrior colleague of Ben's who went over to the bad side.

2. Was that ever mentioned in the OT? Obviously sand became a major Anakin theme in the PT, but where/how was Vader/Anakin connected to Tatooine in the OT?

3. You are torpedoing the plot of at least 1,000 movies.

4. True, but they don't lie maliciously. They lie in the way adoptive parents or family members holding back a dark family secret do. And Vader tells the truth maliciously, exploiting that truth solely to fuel his (and the Emperor's) desires and ambitions.
If you are in reality the great-grandson of Hitler, and unknowingly share some of his traits and abilities, what's worse: someone making up stuff so you never know or part-truths to re-frame/soften it, or someone telling you solely to exploit it for some evil global plot?

 

[a-dev]

2. Was that ever mentioned in the OT? Obviously sand became a major Anakin theme in the PT, but where/how was Vader/Anakin connected to Tatooine in the OT?

Well the fact that Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru knew Anakin would suggest albeit not directly state that Anakin was from Tatooine. So it ought not to have been surprising really when the prequels confirmed that he was.

 

[Felinx]

Well the fact that Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru knew Anakin would suggest albeit not directly state that Anakin was from Tatooine. So it ought not to have been surprising really when the prequels confirmed that he was.

You'd think that their deaths would have been somehow shown a bit from Vader's POV - like where he's ordered the murders of people (even a close relative) connected to Anakin Skywalker, something we would later on in the OT look back and say "oo, he even ordered his brother/half-brother to be murdered in cold blood (deaths that are unnecessary, and brutal, so likely intentionally ordered.)"

I get that Owen's a Roger Clinton brother but Luke is only ever shown pressing Ben for real detail about his father, rather than the foster parent he lives with who's in theory the brother/half-brother. It seems like Owen hasn't had much to do with Anakin in the past at all - it's not even clear he really knew him, or in reality just knew "of" him ie by reputation - the type of person he was.

Almost seems like Ben being a native of Tatooine has a stronger basis in the OT than Anakin because he's talked about as living there forever, a known fixture - maybe grew up there, went off on his journey/adventures then returned back home like many people do. Owen may simply have migrated to Tatooine as a settler/farmer a few decades earlier and then took on his half-brother's son after he died in some far-flung battlefield that Owen's barely aware of.

 

[jye4ever]

I just want the deleted Reva scenes Lucas removed from ANH in 77 inserted back in.

 

[Felinx]

I just want the deleted Reva scenes Lucas removed from ANH in 77 inserted back in.

She would have looked like Coffy if they'd done it in '77.

 

[Khev]

 

[jye4ever]

 

[punisher1974]

Watching the Final Cut version of the original trilogy and overall pretty good. The way Boba Fett's voice is done is a good compromise. Morrison's and Wintergreen's voice's are merged a bit to make it sound like it's from the helmet. The emperor hologram in Empire is closer to jedi and looks better to. Those are awesome Fett pics JYE.