Star Wars: The Acolyte

[JAWS]

Just by watching the PT alone Anakin got up to more than Ben Solo did.

Agree to disagree.. Just did not find him a good character at all.

They just skipped everything that could have been interesting.

I like that Ben was torn after killing his father. I liked that you felt the conflict.

I liked that even though he killed Han Solo, Adam Driver played it so well you still wanted redemption for him.

And lets face it.. Adam D can act circles around Hayden.. I just didnt care for him. His conflict never felt real to me. He just didn't work for me.

 

[aussiebottt]

Agree to disagree.. Just did not find him a good character at all.

They just skipped everything that could have been interesting.

I like that Ben was torn after killing his father. I liked that you felt the conflict.

I liked that even though he killed Han Solo, Adam Driver played it so well you still wanted redemption for him.

And lets face it.. Adam D can act circles around Hayden.. I just didnt care for him. His conflict never felt real to me. He just didn't work for me.

Wanted redemption for him? No, I Wanted to punch his emo head in. Just yell and rage and throw a tantrum. Lamest villain in the entire Star Wars universe.
Anakin I felt sorry for. Hero of the Republic but distrusted by the Jedi council and not made a master. Then asking him to spy on one of his closest friends.
Adam Driver may well be a better actor but I thought story wise Anakin was much better written.

 

[Asta]

Wanted redemption for him? No, I Wanted to punch his emo head in. Just yell and rage and throw a tantrum. Lamest villain in the entire Star Wars universe..

 

[aussiebottt]

Lol!!!
But that's about what we got in the films and somehow we're expected to believe that the entire First Order got down and worshipped this guy?

 

[ironwez20]

Oh my.. Ben solo is easily more interesting then Anakin or anyone else. I mean its not even close.

Anakin should have been amazing.. But they Blew it. George blew it.

If Anakin was handled as well as Ben Solo then.. I might have more respect for the PT.. Might even be 100% on your side.


Anakin light.. Anakin himself was Anakin light

Huh? Lol he barely did anything . What movie where u watching . He was a weakling who constantly got beat up . Kylo may of been handled well but he was the most whiny and weakest Star Wars protagonist and that?s funny since anakin was also whiny but kylo was like a damn baby. I?m glad anakin was t some emo 35 year old who couldn?t beat a little girl.

The man literally had a family who loved him but acted out and did a mass murder cause some old man told him to

Anakin was losing everything around him and was seduced by an old man to kill an entire race of people and in the end he lost everything and was burned severely and now wears a torture device as armor.

Kylo wishes he was anakin that?s why he wears that ******* helmet . Come on son lol

 

[xipotec]

We talking movies here?

You have to grab onto a whole series of cartoon to make Anakin interesting.. Thanks for making my point.

LOL.......

Rewatching the entire series now , films that is , in chronological order...

TPM is still pretty terrible. Pod race is fun when Anakin isnt talking. Duel of the fates is fun, but the rest of that film is like a school play with millions of dollars behind it.

In some ways it?s the perfect for a 4-10 year old, but that?s a very small demographic.


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[ZE_501]

Agree to disagree.. Just did not find him a good character at all.

They just skipped everything that could have been interesting.

I like that Ben was torn after killing his father. I liked that you felt the conflict.

I liked that even though he killed Han Solo, Adam Driver played it so well you still wanted redemption for him.

And lets face it.. Adam D can act circles around Hayden.. I just didnt care for him. His conflict never felt real to me. He just didn't work for me.

There's no question that Driver is a killer actor and was able to provide emotional depth for the character, but I think his acting ability props up a shoddy product. As for redemption ... I've many times sneered at the idea that Vader could be 'redeemed' in any meaningful way after his list of crimes, and Kylo Ren was no different, worse in fact. I never wanted that character to gain 'redemption' I wanted him dead and deservedly forgotten like the ST.

 

[user 64404]

There's no question that Driver is a killer actor and was able to provide emotional depth for the character, but I think his acting ability props up a shoddy product. As for redemption ... I've many times sneered at the idea that Vader could be 'redeemed' in any meaningful way after his list of crimes, and Kylo Ren was no different, worse in fact. I never wanted that character to gain 'redemption' I wanted him dead and deservedly forgotten like the ST.

You're forgetting that Kylo was manipulated since his birth, the one who destroys the New Jedi temple was Snoke. His redemption is more of a "move on" kind way that actually forgiven by the galaxy, it's like he healed his mind after his mother died.

 

[ZE_501]

You're forgetting that Kylo was manipulated since his birth, the one who destroys the New Jedi temple was Snoke. His redemption is more of a "move on" kind way that actually forgiven by the galaxy, it's like he healed his mind after his mother died.

Oh, I'm not forgetting. Star Wars is a very simplistic fable at its core, so in that universe's internal logic, a patricidal fascist guilty of war crimes and being an accessory to genocide on an interplanetary scale, can find 'redemption' after 'healing his mind' ... but it happens to be the line in the narrative sand where my personal suspension of disbelief breaks.

That line is different for everyone, of course.

 

[JAWS]

Huh? Lol he barely did anything . What movie where u watching . He was a weakling who constantly got beat up . Kylo may of been handled well but he was the most whiny and weakest Star Wars protagonist and that?s funny since anakin was also whiny but kylo was like a damn baby. I?m glad anakin was t some emo 35 year old who couldn?t beat a little girl.

The man literally had a family who loved him but acted out and did a mass murder cause some old man told him to

Anakin was losing everything around him and was seduced by an old man to kill an entire race of people and in the end he lost everything and was burned severely and now wears a torture device as armor.

Kylo wishes he was anakin that?s why he wears that ******* helmet . Come on son lol

You watch those films and tell me who is more believable.

Maybe its because I have sons and would do whatever I could to bring them back from darkness. Even die for them. Maybe that is what it touches me.

Anakin's story was not told well. Regardless of how we are supposed to feel.. I did not feel it. He was never likable.

Anakin in his 15 min if being redeemed was far more charismatic and likable as a hero then Anakin ever was.

As a villain.. yeah he sucked at it.. but that was kind of the point of his character.. He could never fully embrace it.

Everything you are saying about Anakin is true.. He should be a great character.. But what is on paper did not translate well at all to the screen.. I am talking PT movies here.. Not his whole arc with the OT.

There's no question that Driver is a killer actor and was able to provide emotional depth for the character, but I think his acting ability props up a shoddy product.

I would say there is truth to this for sure. A great performance sold me on a character. It made him believable and sympathetic.

Ummmm Cant say that for Hayden.

As for redemption ... I've many times sneered at the idea that Vader could be 'redeemed' in any meaningful way after his list of crimes, and Kylo Ren was no different, worse in fact. I never wanted that character to gain 'redemption' I wanted him dead and deservedly forgotten like the ST.

Ive had the same issues with Vader's redemption.. Ive said before that killing younglings kind of took it too far.. He does all tat and because he.. Wait for it.. Chooses to save his son, He doesn't kill the Emperor to save the galaxy but to save his son. In a way thats still selfish .. He then gets a free pass.

As for Kylo.. I use to think the same thing after watching TFA. But as the films went on I found myself rooting for his redemption.

Han's death is what cause that path to redemption and I for one would die for my kids if it means their salvation even if I dies at their hands.

So it works for me.



As for all the planet destroying and war crimes they both committed... Well what are you gonna do

If you take a biblical approach then anyone can reach salvation. So I think that is what the films are going for.

but they still should be remembered for the dirt bags they are.

 

[TheDucky]

Hey Jaws how many times are you going to end up repeating yourself about how the Clone Wars saved the PT for you and about Ben Solo? You made like 10 posts on each in the span of a day in multiple threads but you wanna call me out for repeating myself??????

 

[ironwez20]

You watch those films and tell me who is more believable.

Maybe its because I have sons and would do whatever I could to bring them back from darkness. Even die for them. Maybe that is what it touches me.

Anakin's story was not told well. Regardless of how we are supposed to feel.. I did not feel it. He was never likable.

Anakin in his 15 min if being redeemed was far more charismatic and likable as a hero then Anakin ever was.

As a villain.. yeah he sucked at it.. but that was kind of the point of his character.. He could never fully embrace it.

Everything you are saying about Anakin is true.. He should be a great character.. But what is on paper did not translate well at all to the screen.. I am talking PT movies here.. Not his whole arc with the OT.



I would say there is truth to this for sure. A great performance sold me on a character. It made him believable and sympathetic.

Ummmm Cant say that for Hayden.






Ive had the same issues with Vader's redemption.. Ive said before that killing younglings kind of took it too far.. He does all tat and because he.. Wait for it.. Chooses to save his son, He doesn't kill the Emperor to save the galaxy but to save his son. In a way thats still selfish .. He then gets a free pass.

As for Kylo.. I use to think the same thing after watching TFA. But as the films went on I found myself rooting for his redemption.

Han's death is what cause that path to redemption and I for one would die for my kids if it means their salvation even if I dies at their hands.

So it works for me.



As for all the planet destroying and war crimes they both committed... Well what are you gonna do

If you take a biblical approach then anyone can reach salvation. So I think that is what the films are going for.

but they still should be remembered for the dirt bags they are.

So wait it touches you that some emo grown ass man throws a hissy fit and kills his dad just so he can be like his grandpa whom he never met is better told than a guy who lost his mom , his padawan and now about to lose the only thing he loves? Sure it was t perfect but there is nothing touching about kylo.

Some bratty kid who screams and cries cause he wants to show out. Anakin actually lost people and wasn?t recognized for his work and is haunted by dreams of his wife dying. Then realized at the last second obiwan loved him to before he burned alive. Now that?s tragic and like it or not miles better.

Kylo ren is pretty much a Star Wars version of a school shooter. O I wanna be bad and kill everyone just cause . And it?s hilarious cause he?s the best thing about the ST but he?s told poorly. Nothing tragic pushed kylo to be who he is he did it cause his parents weren?t home enough or some dumb **** lol

Jeez man I can?t see what u see at all. You say he?s sympathetic but he has to be the most poorly executed villain ever. All he did was throw a tantrum . Anakin was justified. The guys mom died and the Jedi kept holding him back.

Sure Adams is a good actor but so what the writing is awful and he?s a damn man child . The most non intimidating villain in Star Wars media .

Another thing the PT did better . Maul, dooku and grevious would wiped there ass with kylo lol

 

[TheDucky]

So wait it touches you that some emo grown ass man throws a hissy fit and kills his dad just so he can be like his grandpa whom he never met is better told than a guy who lost his mom , his padawan and now about to lose the only thing he loves? Sure it was t perfect but there is nothing touching about kylo.

Some bratty kid who screams and cries cause he wants to show out. Anakin actually lost people and wasn?t recognized for his work and is haunted by dreams of his wife dying. Then realized at the last second obiwan loved him to before he burned alive. Now that?s tragic and like it or not miles better.

Kylo ren is pretty much a Star Wars version of a school shooter. O I wanna be bad and kill everyone just cause . And it?s hilarious cause he?s the best thing about the ST but he?s told poorly. Nothing tragic pushed kylo to be who he is he did it cause his parents weren?t home enough or some dumb **** lol

Jeez man I can?t see what u see at all. You say he?s sympathetic but he has to be the most poorly executed villain ever. All he did was throw a tantrum . Anakin was justified. The guys mom died and the Jedi kept holding him back.

SMOKIN HIM

 

[ironwez20]

SMOKIN HIM

As always lol

 

[user 64404]

Actually if you're trying to compare Kylo to a real life situation, you could compare him with someone with extreme depression and anxiety, he just wants the pain to go away.

 

[ironwez20]

Actually if you're trying to compare Kylo to a real life situation, you could compare him with someone with extreme depression and anxiety, he just wants the pain to go away.

The kid had a family who clearly loves him. When people are sad they usually talk about issues and try to get help not go on a killing spree . No excuse for bad writing . Also it seems like he was trying to impress his dead grandfather instead of making the pain go away. What pain did he have anyway? That good Charlotte was sold out of concert tickets? Please lol.

 

[user 64404]

The kid had a family who clearly loves him. When people are sad they usually talk about issues and try to get help not go on a killing spree . No excuse for bad writing . Also it seems like he was trying to impress his dead grandfather instead of making the pain go away. What pain did he have anyway? That good Charlotte was sold out of concert tickets? Please lol.

Dude if depression and anxiety was so easy to deal than it would not be one of the world biggest problems nowadays.
Its does not matter if the person has family who clearly loves, anyone can have depression and anxiety for an unlimited reasons.

 

[ironwez20]

Dude if depression and anxiety was so easy to deal than it would not be one of the world biggest problems nowadays.
Its does not matter if the person has family who clearly loves, anyone can have depression and anxiety for an unlimited reasons.

Ok but we are talking about a future galaxy in space . I?m sure they got something to help him. Even if he was depressed that?s no excuse to kill an entire school and burn it down .

 

[ZE_501]

[...]Ive had the same issues with Vader's redemption.. Ive said before that killing younglings kind of took it too far.. [...]

Anakin Skywalker's (on-screen) crimes:

• Sexual harassment.
• Light torture of prisoners during interrogation.
• Slaughter of civilian Geonosians.
• Massacre of entire Tusken tribe including non-combatants and children.
• Execution of a defeated and (literally) disarmed captive.
• Aiding and abetting the murder of Master Windu via betrayal and maiming.
• Pre-meditated murder of multiple children in the Jedi Temple.
• Murder of non-combatant Separatists.
• Physical assaults on high-ranking officials in his own governmental organization.
• Execution of defeated and unarmed enemy soldiers.
• Torture and murder of an unarmed prisoner of war during interrogation.
• Torture of high-value prisoner of war.
• Aiding and abetting planetary genocide.
• Murder of at least 2 of his own officers on duty when a simple reprimand or demotion would have sufficed.
• Torturing more prisoners of war.
• Granting custody of a prisoner of war (after torturing him) to a bounty hunter, knowing he would be sold to organized crime.

Offscreen: more planetary genocide via more conventional means, aiding and abetting slavery and organized crime, pursuing and systematically murdering members of the Jedi order. I get these last were branded 'enemies of state' but even so -- I think we can agree that the Empire's legal categories are dubious. Did I miss anything? That's AOTC, Clone Wars, ROTS, RO and all of the OT.

 

[TheDucky]

You watch those films and tell me who is more believable.

Maybe its because I have sons and would do whatever I could to bring them back from darkness. Even die for them. Maybe that is what it touches me.

Anakin's story was not told well. Regardless of how we are supposed to feel.. I did not feel it. He was never likable.

Anakin in his 15 min if being redeemed was far more charismatic and likable as a hero then Anakin ever was.

As a villain.. yeah he sucked at it.. but that was kind of the point of his character.. He could never fully embrace it.

Everything you are saying about Anakin is true.. He should be a great character.. But what is on paper did not translate well at all to the screen.. I am talking PT movies here.. Not his whole arc with the OT.



I would say there is truth to this for sure. A great performance sold me on a character. It made him believable and sympathetic.

Ummmm Cant say that for Hayden.






Ive had the same issues with Vader's redemption.. Ive said before that killing younglings kind of took it too far.. He does all tat and because he.. Wait for it.. Chooses to save his son, He doesn't kill the Emperor to save the galaxy but to save his son. In a way thats still selfish .. He then gets a free pass.

As for Kylo.. I use to think the same thing after watching TFA. But as the films went on I found myself rooting for his redemption.

Han's death is what cause that path to redemption and I for one would die for my kids if it means their salvation even if I dies at their hands.

So it works for me.



As for all the planet destroying and war crimes they both committed... Well what are you gonna do

If you take a biblical approach then anyone can reach salvation. So I think that is what the films are going for.

but they still should be remembered for the dirt bags they are.

Vader kills children in the PT it causes you to have problems with his redemption.

Vader kills millions of children and blows up a planet in the OT... well that’s just fine and dandy!