Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

She fought off 2 dudes with a stick

So can I. In Fact, I fought off two kids by myself without a stick when I was 11 years old, and I had zero training

I suppose this makes more sense to you?

It's a dream.

I disagree. Even though he'd been shot and she was not a stranger to hand to hand combat it was still ridiculous to have her essentially become a darn near fully trained Jedi over the course of a day or two with zero training. She defeated him mentally when she was a prisoner and physically in combat. He was trained, she wasn't. It's ridiculous.

The entire scene just makes no sense, Kylo comes limping towards them and the first thing he does is use his force powers on Rey like nothing, but he decides to go toe to toe with Finn? Why not just force push Finn into a tree as well? Or why not just use the force to take the lightsaber out of his hand?

Oh right, I completely forgot he did use the force against Rey, which completely destroys my efforts of defending that scene

Yeah it's pretty retarded

I cannot wait to hear the complaining or explanations for BvS fight ...Based on the logic here Supes is by far superior then Bats so that battle should end in 10 secs. Somehow Bats intellect will be a worthy to an opponent who is superior physically and quite capable intellectually. Good lord people their fictional stories.

There will be a lot of complaining, but most of it will about Superman not smiling at the camera and Superman being a jerk for breaking a few windows...or something like that.

 

[jye4ever]

Are you blind?

 

[GasparZizou]

Superman's could punch Batman multiple times before Bats could think how to defend himself.... fight over..it .won't happen that way.

He could but he wouldn't.

Rey recalls Maz saying close your eyes feel the force around you etc. That's why the dramatic pause when Rey closes her eyes, she is reaching out to the force

Both work for the sake of the story

One of them does

 

[GasparZizou]

Look what happened to the mighty Vader when he started letting the light in, he got his ass whooped!

By a fully trained Jedi.

 

[jye4ever]

Luke, nah....

He was a short bus Jedi.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Yeah, and the Emperor was super evil with no "light" inside him to make him weak and he got beaten by an emotionally confused one arm man

 

[Darkseed]

He could but he wouldn't.

One of them does

I agree but we likely disagree on which one

 

[jye4ever]

The Emperor was suckered punched.

 

[GasparZizou]

Luke, nah....

He was a short bus Jedi.

Is this the extend we're getting to give this retarded fight a pass?

 

[GasparZizou]

I agree but we likely disagree on which one

No need to disagree, the only correct answer has nothing to do with TFA :^)

 

[jye4ever]

Well, he did make out with his sister.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

The Emperor was suckered punched.

He would need a fist to accomplish that Maybe he threw his hand at Palpatine.

 

[Darkseed]

The Emperor was suckered punched.

I wonder why he didn't sense Vader sudden turn....too busy enjoying frying
Luke? I mean Snoke felt it in
Kylo

 

[EVILFACE]

From a certain point of view. Nothing new in SW lore.....Luke with 30 secs of training with a remote ball and multiple yoga sessions with Yoda is able to spare quite well with the greatest Jedi ever in Bespin. In the final film with no additional training ultimately defeat him. Some of us can suspend belief more than one time

Going toe to toe with Vader is more believable since he is mostly a machine now and no where close to what he was in ROTS. Luke would have 0 chance against ROTS Anakin. Hell, if Yoda was so damn smart he should have trained Luke about Sith lightning. Luke could then just zap Vader easily besting him. And teach him the block/absorb to beat the dude that kicked his ass.

Ren's excuse was he was shot, but that didn't seem to matter much early on in the duel when he dispatched Tracy Morgan with ease. Hell, going by how powerful they made Chewies blaster out the whole movie, Ren should have been blown off the railing and joining his daddy wherever it ended.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I wonder why he didn't sense Vader sudden turn....too busy enjoying frying
Luke? I mean Snoke felt it in
Kylo

The funny thing is, you don't need special powers to know there's a chance that the guy you just betrayed might, you know...try to kill you.

 

[SwedishHeat]

Shoot. Sorry to hear that. For whatever it's worth Han's death was something I was more than halfway anticipating due to my knowledge of Ford wanting his character to die all the way back in ROTJ. Then there was all the foreshadowing of Rey being a natural with the Falcon and so on. The biggest surprises for me were that Kylo was Han's son and that it would be Rey, not Finn as the trailers suggested, who would have the final showdown with Kylo. And it sounds like those were unspoiled for you.

Yeah, that's why Han's death wasn't all the surprising. Any self-respecting Star Wars nut knows Harrison wanted out. I imagine the only reason he agreed to be in TFA was that he be killed off. On reflection it seemed pretty obvious and natural that Han play the 'old wizard' role in the Hero's Journey, same as Obi-Wan . . . guiding Rey, the hero, and sacrificing himself. And it fit with his arc, he was tired, fell back into his old ways, tried to save his son, it puts a nice book end on his 'smuggler' arc, on if he is a bad guy or not.

But yeah, like you said, the real surprises were Rey's role and that Kylo was the son. I never saw that coming. They did a great job with the teaser trailer. I assumed that Finn was a rebel spy, who crash-landed a TIE on Tatooine (I thought JJ was trying to pull a "Ducard/Ra's" with Tatooine/Jakku) and then found Rey who was a scavenger, and had Luke's lightsaber, than then there's a shot of Rey handing the hilt to Leia as evidence that Luke is still alive, who had gone MIA. Looking back on it now, I never even noticed that it was an alien hand offering the hilt. . . but yeah, the only part I got right was that Luke was MIA.

 

[Darkseed]

No need to disagree, the only correct answer has nothing to do with TFA :^)

Oh your a sassy one.....

 

[GasparZizou]

The funny thing is, you don't need special powers to know there's a chance that the guy you just betrayed might, you know...try to kill you.

Conclusion: SW is retarded so it's ok if none of it makes sense.

Oh your a sassy one.....

Sassy and right ;^)

 

[Baneofdemon22]

I had a bit of a Mary Sue problem with both Rey and Finn, but people explained it away, so I thought I missed something.

I haven't seen it since Thursday, but you guys are making me return to my initial assessment of the final fight. Oh, well. Hopefully, they get more breathing room to flesh things out in Episode VIII. Still better than the Maul fight with him just standing around to get killed. I've tried reconciling that fight, but I just have to accept Maul was a doofus.

Saw it again for a second time last night and I enjoyed it better. I rank this one right after ANH for me.

ESB > ANH > TFA > ROTJ > ROTS > AOTC=TPM

That's my ranking as well. I'm currently reading the novel adaptation of ROTS, and I think it's great so far. It saddens me how good the film could have been. Even characters like Dooku and Grievous are neat characters.

 

[jye4ever]

I'm just thrilled that this movie has acheived a level of quality where the complaints against it are not of the PT variety.

Nothing brought up against it has been about the acting, dialogue, green screen backgrounds, narrative, tone, pacing.

The only thing people are complaining about are Rey's strength.

I've made peace with Han dying.