rushmore223
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Man, 17 days and $1.5 billion, I am very curious to see how this does in China. If it's a hit there, then the Avatar record may very well be a memory.
Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)
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Finally got to see this today. It was ok. Glad I went in with low expectations. It wasn't anything new and definitely seemed to copy a lot of things from ANH. Kylo Ren was a whiny *****. I did like Rey and Finn. They're were well played and never once annoyed me, something I had feared going into it.
I'd rank it above TPM, AToC, but on par with ROTS. The OT is still supreme.
I'd rank it above TPM, AToC, but on par with ROTS. The OT is still supreme.
The Clown Prince of Crime
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I will say one thing,what surprised me about the TFA, was that the overall plot was really simple to understand, basically find Luke. I don't know if this was intentional on JJ's part so we can just focus on the development of the characters, but it's just odd how a SW plot played out that way.
Yes I know there was Rey, Finn and Kylo's storylines as well as the relationship between Han and Leia, but other than Snoke's appearance, it was even more basic than ANH.
Yes I know there was Rey, Finn and Kylo's storylines as well as the relationship between Han and Leia, but other than Snoke's appearance, it was even more basic than ANH.
More basic than "Destroy The Death Star"? Nope.
The whole ANH plot revolves around DS:
1) Leia captured while trying to deliver DS plans to Rebellion
2) Luke finds droids with DS plans before Ben
3) Ben finds Luke
4) Imperials destroys Luke's life and he goes with Ben
5) Han's hired to help Ben and Luke
6) everyone's captured by DS
7) Leia saved, Ben dies to protect them all
8) DS plans delivered, Leia is at her place, Luke wants to fight, Han flies
9) DS vs Rebellion
10) Han has change of heart and saves Luke
11) Luke destroys DS
TFA:
1) some-pilot is sent to some planet to find some-person who somehow knows where Luke is
2) some-pilot got captured by Anti-rebellion
3) some-girl finds droid with a thing with Luke's location
4) some-trooper has a change of heart and rescues some-pilot
5) they crash, some-pilot's gone, some-trooper is now some-guy with no purpose
6) some-guy finds some-girl with the droid
7) Anti-rebellion finds them all
8) some-girl helps the droid and some-guy for no reason
9) some-guy lies to some-girl about his origin for no reason
10) everyone's captured by... Han
11) pointless action and blah-blah-blah
12) some-girl finds Luke's saber for no reason, some-guy decides to walk away for no reason
13) Anti-rebellion attacks, Ex-rebellion defends, some-girl captured by some-sith for no reason, some-guy decides to help the Ex-rebellion
14) etc etc etc
This gif is great 
wow I guess the two films were identical, the only thing that made ANH a little bit more in depth was the Empire searching for the Rebels, not much, I know it was similar to the FO attacking the resistance, but only because the FO thought that Rey knew were Luke was because of BB.But I must say, only because I decided to watch the PT again, to this day TPM still is a complexed storyline which had too many things going on
This gif is great
You got to admit that Riot trooper was a tough badass, and who knows, if it wasn't for chewy's crossbow, maybe even Han or Finn couldn't defeat the trooper
jye4ever
Broke and happy
The Clown Prince of Crime
Super Freak
Damn, I hate when a man says no.
I hate to see a sad face...so ask him again or whatever, and see what he says.
It sounds like Clown Prince has another GIF lined up that will be more to Ween's liking...
The FO base didn't even explode, it imploded.
Yep, no 90's "Praxis shockwave" either.
And they also didn't give it the same design as the previous two and simply name it "Death Star III."True. I guess it could be a situation like Channing Tatum in Foxcatcher where the actor rises to the material. Or even if Hayden *doesn't* rise and sticks out like a sore thumb the overall movie could still be great. I'm thinking of examples like Michael Jai White in The Dark Knight. Awful, awful actor, was terrible in his scenes (even two iconic moments) but not to the point of tainting the whole movie. So hopefully if Hayden appears in future episodes they'll be no worse than The Dark Knight and it'll all be cool.
I also thought it was a bad idea to bring Carrie Fisher back and now I can't imagine the movie without her. So who knows.
For people who think that TFA robbed ROTJ of its "happily ever after," well...that's exactly what ESB did to ANH. We didn't think that the story was over after ANH but it sure seemed to end with the Rebels having the momentum and everyone in a good place. Yet the very next installment starts right off with it being a "dark time" for everyone.
Now I know the "real" reason we have TFA and future films is because Disney bought the franchise and wants to make gobs and gobs of money off of it. But from a storytelling perspective (and they DO have people committed to telling good stories working on these films) I like that TFA challenged common perceptions of just what "happily ever after" really means. Kind of how The Walking Dead said "so what happens the NEXT day after Night of the Living Dead? And the day after that? And that, etc.?"
Abrams and Kasdan could have had Han and Leia grinning like idiots (a la Marion in KOTCS) or being a silly help to the new heroes (a la Connery in TLC) without robbing them of their blissful happiness but what I think is great is that it instead said "these heroes can survive the reality that trials and heartache will come at any point in someone's life, even after great success or victories." And with the way TFA played out I found that when I just watched ROTJ again I was totally fine with *everything,* the ease of the victories, the silliness, the warm and fuzzy stuff, because I liked that these heroes got to have this little bubble of easy ass kicking that assumedly led into 10 or so years of "good times." So kudos to TFA for some nice damage control with regard to ROTJ. But just like in the real world bad guys don't suddenly stop existing and good people don't suddenly find a way to be perfect and things took a turn which is where we reconnect with our heroes in TFA.
I can see how some people might be bothered by that but I guess the stories that always impact me the most are the ones with "messy" and/or bittersweet endings. It's why for "The Natural" I like the ending of the book more than the ending of the movie. Where instead of hitting a homerun and epically running the bases as sparks rained down he instead struck out against a new hotshot pitcher. Just like the famous hitter he struck out in the field by the train earlier in the story. It made the point to say that heroes come and go, rise but have their time and are replaced by new ones.
And Han had his time, his ups and downs, and went out in a "profane act of heroism" (Ford's words years ago describing how he had wanted his character to die in Jedi) which made him even more endearing.
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Yep, no 90's "Praxis shockwave" either.
For people who think that TFA robbed ROTJ of its "happily ever after," well...that's exactly what ESB did to ANH. We didn't think that the story was over after ANH but it sure seemed to end with the Rebels having the momentum and everyone in a good place. Yet the very next installment starts right off with it being a "dark time" for everyone.
I don't think Jye will get the Praxis reference
As for the other paragraph. Good point, hadn't really considered that.
I don't think Jye will get the Praxis reference
I swear that freaking blastwave ring effect had to be included in every damn explosion for a decade after Star Trek VI.
Stargate, Independence Day, ANH:SE, ROTJ: SE, Armageddon, etc. 
jye4ever
Broke and happy
Yep, no 90's "Praxis shockwave" either.
True. I guess it could be a situation like Channing Tatum in Foxcatcher where the actor rises to the material. Or even if Hayden *doesn't* rise and sticks out like a sore thumb the overall movie could still be great. I'm thinking of examples like Michael Jai White in The Dark Knight. Awful, awful actor, was terrible in his scenes (even two iconic moments) but not to the point of tainting the whole movie. So hopefully if Hayden appears in future episodes they'll be no worse than The Dark Knight and it'll all be cool.
I also thought it was a bad idea to bring Carrie Fisher back and now I can't imagine the movie without her. So who knows.
For people who think that TFA robbed ROTJ of its "happily ever after," well...that's exactly what ESB did to ANH. We didn't think that the story was over after ANH but it sure seemed to end with the Rebels having the momentum and everyone in a good place. Yet the very next installment starts right off with it being a "dark time" for everyone.
Now I know the "real" reason we have TFA and future films is because Disney bought the franchise and wants to make gobs and gobs of money off of it. But from a storytelling perspective (and they DO have people committed to telling good stories working on these films) I like that TFA challenged common perceptions of just what "happily ever after" really means. Kind of how The Walking Dead said "so what happens the NEXT day after Night of the Living Dead? And the day after that? And that, etc.?"
Abrams and Kasdan could have Han and Leia grinning like idiots (a la Marion in KOTCS) or being a silly help to the new heroes (a la Connery in TLC) without robbing them of their blissful happiness but what I think is great is that it instead said "these heroes can survive the reality that trials and heartache will come at any point in someone's life, even after great success or victories." And with the way TFA played out I found that when I just watched ROTJ again I was totally fine with *everything,* the ease of the victories, the silliness, the warm and fuzzy stuff, because I liked that these heroes got to have this little bubble of easy ass kicking that assumedly led into 10 or so years of "good times." So kudos to TFA for some nice damage control with regard to ROTJ. But just like in the real world bad guys don't suddenly stop existing and good people don't suddenly find a way to be perfect and things took a turn which is where we reconnect with our heroes in TFA.
I can see how some people might be bothered by that but I guess the stories that always impact me the most are the ones with "messy" and bittersweet endings. It's why for "The Natural" I like the ending of the book more than the ending of the movie. Where instead of hitting a homerun and epically running the bases as sparks rained down he instead struck out against a new hotshot pitcher. Just like the famous hitter he struck out in the field by the train earlier in the story. It made the point to say that heroes come and go, rise but have their time and are replaced by new ones.
And Han had his time, his ups and downs, and went out in a "profane act of heroism" (Ford's words years ago describing how he had wanted his character to die in Jedi) which made him even more endearing.
******* that's some great reading there Mr. Khev, thanks for sharing this and for also making me further come to terms wth my feelings on opening night allowing me to better comprehend what it was that made me want to throw up after my first viewing.
I'm definately onboard with TFA now!
I don't think Jye will get the Praxis reference
As for the other paragraph. Good point, hadn't really considered that.
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Yep, no 90's "Praxis shockwave" either.
True. I guess it could be a situation like Channing Tatum in Foxcatcher where the actor rises to the material. Or even if Hayden *doesn't* rise and sticks out like a sore thumb the overall movie could still be great. I'm thinking of examples like Michael Jai White in The Dark Knight. Awful, awful actor, was terrible in his scenes (even two iconic moments) but not to the point of tainting the whole movie. So hopefully if Hayden appears in future episodes they'll be no worse than The Dark Knight and it'll all be cool.
I also thought it was a bad idea to bring Carrie Fisher back and now I can't imagine the movie without her. So who knows.
For people who think that TFA robbed ROTJ of its "happily ever after," well...that's exactly what ESB did to ANH. We didn't think that the story was over after ANH but it sure seemed to end with the Rebels having the momentum and everyone in a good place. Yet the very next installment starts right off with it being a "dark time" for everyone.
Now I know the "real" reason we have TFA and future films is because Disney bought the franchise and wants to make gobs and gobs of money off of it. But from a storytelling perspective (and they DO have people committed to telling good stories working on these films) I like that TFA challenged common perceptions of just what "happily ever after" really means. Kind of how The Walking Dead said "so what happens the NEXT day after Night of the Living Dead? And the day after that? And that, etc.?"
Abrams and Kasdan could have Han and Leia grinning like idiots (a la Marion in KOTCS) or being a silly help to the new heroes (a la Connery in TLC) without robbing them of their blissful happiness but what I think is great is that it instead said "these heroes can survive the reality that trials and heartache will come at any point in someone's life, even after great success or victories." And with the way TFA played out I found that when I just watched ROTJ again I was totally fine with *everything,* the ease of the victories, the silliness, the warm and fuzzy stuff, because I liked that these heroes got to have this little bubble of easy ass kicking that assumedly led into 10 or so years of "good times." So kudos to TFA for some nice damage control with regard to ROTJ. But just like in the real world bad guys don't suddenly stop existing and good people don't suddenly find a way to be perfect and things took a turn which is where we reconnect with our heroes in TFA.
I can see how some people might be bothered by that but I guess the stories that always impact me the most are the ones with "messy" and bittersweet endings. It's why for "The Natural" I like the ending of the book more than the ending of the movie. Where instead of hitting a homerun and epically running the bases as sparks rained down he instead struck out against a new hotshot pitcher. Just like the famous hitter he struck out in the field by the train earlier in the story. It made the point to say that heroes come and go, rise but have their time and are replaced by new ones.
And Han had his time, his ups and downs, and went out in a "profane act of heroism" (Ford's words years ago describing how he had wanted his character to die in Jedi) which made him even more endearing.
+1I hate to see a sad face...so ask him again or whatever, and see what he says.
Asking twice is begging.
