Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[RIDDICK]

TFA is a product of the social media/ad driven environment where it became an event like the Super Bowl. Wrongly calculated sales numbers due to increase prices in movie tickets doesn't capture any magic. Those box office numbers Khev was so enthusiastic for are completely wrong. TFA was not the most watched movie of all time... it just made the most money. When calculating for inflation.... it still isn't number one in that regard.

A lot of people who saw Star Wars barely are fans, just like those who watch the Super Bowl..... it was a event that captured the country so those could go post on there social media outlets "I saw Star Wars (insert emoji here)." Or to simply say they watched it and have the small talk/water cooler conversations. Just as it is "cool" to watch the Super Bowl.... it was cool to go see TFA with the growing acceptance of the "nerd culture."

Star War, just as the Super Bowl, has transcended American culture.

Although I wasn't alive or experienced it, I would say walking into the theaters in May 1977 to see Star Wars would have been the peak of this "magic" you talk about. The world was different back then. I think it meant more for a relatively unknown new movie to do so well in the 70s without the current cultural parameters influencing it.

I don't think anything can capture the "magic" from the original because of how Star Wars is perceived today.

And yet I couldn't care less about what Star Wars is today.
I just want to watch a well though film. "Da Farce Awakens" wasn't even close to that.

Heck, most people couldn't care less about the content of films but producers keep makin' these "by the numbers" vomits.

 

[Jme_c]

TFA is a product of the social media/ad driven environment where it became an event like the Super Bowl. Wrongly calculated sales numbers due to increase prices in movie tickets doesn't capture any magic. Those box office numbers Khev was so enthusiastic for are completely wrong. TFA was not the most watched movie of all time... it just made the most money. When calculating for inflation.... it still isn't number one in that regard.

A lot of people who saw Star Wars barely are fans, just like those who watch the Super Bowl..... it was a event that captured the country so those could go post on there social media outlets "I saw Star Wars (insert emoji here)." Or to simply say they watched it and have the small talk/water cooler conversations. Just as it is "cool" to watch the Super Bowl.... it was cool to go see TFA with the growing acceptance of the "nerd culture."

Star War, just as the Super Bowl, has transcended American culture.

Although I wasn't alive or experienced it, I would say walking into the theaters in May 1977 to see Star Wars would have been the peak of this "magic" you talk about. The world was different back then. I think it meant more for a relatively unknown new movie to do so well in the 70s without the current cultural parameters influencing it.

I don't think anything can capture the "magic" from the original because of how Star Wars is perceived today.

Good post dude!

 

[GasparZizou]

And yet I couldn't care less about what Star Wars is today.
I just want to watch a well though film. "Da Farce Awakens" wasn't even close to that.

Heck, most people couldn't care less about the content of films but producers keep makin' these "by the numbers" vomits.

Yeah, but SW is in control of the masses now, not even geek masses, just the masses, just like the MCU, so they need to appeal to everyone and be inoffensive/harmless, so I don't expect anything daring anymore from the main series, I hope I get to be surprised, but Rogue One is where it's at for now :

 

[jye4ever]

TFA is a product of the social media/ad driven environment where it became an event like the Super Bowl. Wrongly calculated sales numbers due to increase prices in movie tickets doesn't capture any magic. Those box office numbers Khev was so enthusiastic for are completely wrong. TFA was not the most watched movie of all time... it just made the most money. When calculating for inflation.... it still isn't number one in that regard.

A lot of people who saw Star Wars barely are fans, just like those who watch the Super Bowl..... it was a event that captured the country so those could go post on there social media outlets "I saw Star Wars (insert emoji here)." Or to simply say they watched it and have the small talk/water cooler conversations. Just as it is "cool" to watch the Super Bowl.... it was cool to go see TFA with the growing acceptance of the "nerd culture."

Star War, just as the Super Bowl, has transcended American culture.

Although I wasn't alive or experienced it, I would say walking into the theaters in May 1977 to see Star Wars would have been the peak of this "magic" you talk about. The world was different back then. I think it meant more for a relatively unknown new movie to do so well in the 70s without the current cultural parameters influencing it.

I don't think anything can capture the "magic" from the original because of how Star Wars is perceived today.

Very well articulated.

But.....

It is still magic.

Just because TFA was driven by social media/ads/corporations doesn't decrease the social event it became.

Social media is just a tool that makes sharing the magic of Star Wars easier, that is all.

Don't underestimate the cultural parameters in the late 70's, there were tons of cultural influences back then.

You say that alot of people who watched TFA aren't even fans.

There's your magic, good Star Wars brings people together to experience a new story set in a universe that is as common to our vernacular as our own vocabulary.

The magic that started in 1977 is alive and well today regardless of inflation's impact on TFA's box office.

Go tell Disney that Star Wars magic is dead because of inflation and because regular people just wanted to hang out with nerds and watch Disney laugh.

Star Wars is synonymous with box office, it gave it birth.

TFA box office discussions was in the news media on a daily basis for weeks, what is more Star Wars magic than Star Wars box office domination being celebrated.

Avatar's box office domination has never been celebrated like TFA EVEN with TFA not being able to dethrone Avatar off the #1 spot.

If anything, it was the magic of Star Wars that kept it alive after the disaster that were the PT!

That is some Gandalf level magic right there for people to still embrace Star Wars after those abortions of cinema.

 

[rushmore223]

Yeah, but SW is in control of the masses now, not even geek masses, just the masses, just like the MCU, so they need to appeal to everyone and be inoffensive/harmless, so I don't expect anything daring anymore from the main series, I hope I get to be surprised, but Rogue One is where it's at for now :

Was there anything offensive about Star Wars or Empire? I'm sure Disney has pretty tight reigns on LFL now, but at the same time, I think they realized what made the prequels so bad wasn't the story points, it was the acting, childish characters and gags, and some of the worst dialogue ever put in a big budget movie. I believe the PT story, as it was, maybe with minor tweaking, could have worked fine. Thats not to say the story couldnt have been made much better, but im not going to armchair direct the films. I think Disney knows what to stay away from, but I'm sure they would love to blow people's minds with WTF moments, that is a big part of what people remember most with Empire, even though it is a masterpiece (in my eyes) from start to finish. Unexpected Moments like "I am your father", don't just serve to heighten the story, today it adds fuel to the Internet fire and gets people talking, the more talking the more interest and the more people rush out to see it.

Btw, WWE mentioned that TFA hasn't really done that well when inflation is adjusted, in all actuality it has done amazingly. It is number 11 on the adjusted chart, to put that in perspective, every other movie in the top 20 has seen multiple releases, which has a big impact since the majority of them came out long before there was such a thing as home video. Also, there are only 3 other movies in the top 20 that are less than 20 years old.

 

[a-dev]

If anything, it was the magic of Star Wars that kept it alive after the disaster that were the PT!

That is some Gandalf level magic right there for people to still embrace Star Wars after those abortions of cinema.

*Cough*nowyou'vegoneanddoneit*cough*

 

[DiFabio]

TFA is a product of the social media/ad driven environment where it became an event like the Super Bowl. Wrongly calculated sales numbers due to increase prices in movie tickets doesn't capture any magic. Those box office numbers Khev was so enthusiastic for are completely wrong. TFA was not the most watched movie of all time... it just made the most money. When calculating for inflation.... it still isn't number one in that regard.

A lot of people who saw Star Wars barely are fans, just like those who watch the Super Bowl..... it was a event that captured the country so those could go post on there social media outlets "I saw Star Wars (insert emoji here)." Or to simply say they watched it and have the small talk/water cooler conversations. Just as it is "cool" to watch the Super Bowl.... it was cool to go see TFA with the growing acceptance of the "nerd culture."

Star War, just as the Super Bowl, has transcended American culture.

Although I wasn't alive or experienced it, I would say walking into the theaters in May 1977 to see Star Wars would have been the peak of this "magic" you talk about. The world was different back then. I think it meant more for a relatively unknown new movie to do so well in the 70s without the current cultural parameters influencing it.

I don't think anything can capture the "magic" from the original because of how Star Wars is perceived today.

Holy ****, WWEJedi typed this, I agree with him!?


And to think I thought he'd be banned by now.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

TFA box office discussions was in the news media on a daily basis for weeks

Thank god that's over. Well, until December.

 

[GasparZizou]

I wouldn't call that Star Wars magic, I would call that social media/marketing magic

Was there anything offensive about Star Wars or Empire? I'm sure Disney has pretty tight reigns on LFL now, but at the same time, I think they realized what made the prequels so bad wasn't the story points, it was the acting, childish characters and gags, and some of the worst dialogue ever put in a big budget movie. I believe the PT story, as it was, maybe with minor tweaking, could have worked fine. Thats not to say the story couldnt have been made much better, but im not going to armchair direct the films. I think Disney knows what to stay away from, but I'm sure they would love to blow people's minds with WTF moments, that is a big part of what people remember most with Empire, even though it is a masterpiece (in my eyes) from start to finish. Unexpected Moments like "I am your father", don't just serve to heighten the story, today it adds fuel to the Internet fire and gets people talking, the more talking the more interest and the more people rush out to see it.

I meant inoffensive as in appealing to everyone. Fans or not.

I can't think of anything in the PT that can't be fixed by fixing the script and the acting. What makes the PT so bad is that the scripts are THAT bad.

Characters and all, they're fine.

Holy ****, WWEJedi typed this, I agree with him!?

My exact reaction

 

[WWEJedi]

Well said- I actually agree with all your points! Good job!

Thanks.

That post was pretty

Spoiler

good actually.

Why can't you act normal like that?

Holy ****, WWEJedi typed this, I agree with him!?

And to think I thought he'd be banned by now.

I'm not as bad as you think.

 

[Darth Madden]

TFA is a product of the social media/ad driven environment where it became an event like the Super Bowl. Wrongly calculated sales numbers due to increase prices in movie tickets doesn't capture any magic. Those box office numbers Khev was so enthusiastic for are completely wrong. TFA was not the most watched movie of all time... it just made the most money. When calculating for inflation.... it still isn't number one in that regard.

A lot of people who saw Star Wars barely are fans, just like those who watch the Super Bowl..... it was a event that captured the country so those could go post on there social media outlets "I saw Star Wars (insert emoji here)." Or to simply say they watched it and have the small talk/water cooler conversations. Just as it is "cool" to watch the Super Bowl.... it was cool to go see TFA with the growing acceptance of the "nerd culture."

Star War, just as the Super Bowl, has transcended American culture.

Although I wasn't alive or experienced it, I would say walking into the theaters in May 1977 to see Star Wars would have been the peak of this "magic" you talk about. The world was different back then. I think it meant more for a relatively unknown new movie to do so well in the 70s without the current cultural parameters influencing it.

I don't think anything can capture the "magic" from the original because of how Star Wars is perceived today.

But you don't gross 2 billion dollars from everyone "just going to see it." You get that from fans who see it multiple times. If it was just "Disney Marketing crap" then nobody would have gone the 2nd time... I don't know about you but no matter what the hype is if a movie I see sucks I don't go back and see it again. I will agree that TFA didn't capture the same magic for me as it did in 1977 when I was 7 years old but I'll agree with Darth Snoopy and say when I saw "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away..." again it gave me a really big smile.

 

[rushmore223]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

 

[jye4ever]

PT fans just need to let it go and accept that TFA is light years better than those movies.

Fans and general public embraced the return of good Star Wars in a very big way.

 

[WWEJedi]

Good post dude!

Thanks.

But you don't gross 2 billion dollars from everyone "just going to see it." You get that from fans who see it multiple times. If it was just "Disney Marketing crap" then nobody would have gone the 2nd time... I don't know about you but no matter what the hype is if a movie I see sucks I don't go back and see it again. I will agree that TFA didn't capture the same magic for me as it did in 1977 when I was 7 years old but I'll agree with Darth Snoopy and say when I saw "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away..." again it gave me a really big smile.

.... Yeah.... but if literally everyone goes to see it..... it will gross two billion I don't know any casual fans who went to see it twice honestly. Only people I know who went to see it twice are the hardcore fans.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

It's comments like these I don't understand. I reply to the valid discussion point with a good response. Maybe we should leave the past in the past and start anew?

PT fans just need to let it go and accept that TFA is light years better than those movies.

Fans and general public embraced the return of good Star Wars in a very big way.

I do think TFA is above the PT critically.... just out of terms of my own personal enjoyment..... I do like ROTS better, but enjoy TFA over AOTC and TPM

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Maybe we should leave the past in the past and start anew?

I believe that's Bill Cosby's defense.

 

[Ondi]

Oh man

 

[cmiller99]

Has anyone ever wondered about Luca's concept of the timeline.. I mean each film always starts with " A Long Time Ago "

This film is 30 years after ROTJ and it still says " A Long Time Ago "

I have to admit that before I sat in my seat at the theater waiting for this film to start I was thinking there is no way they are going to still say " A Long Time Ago.. " and when it popped up I was WTF

What's 30 years in a thousand?

I don't think anything can capture the "magic" from the original because of how Star Wars is perceived today.

I think TFA did capture that 'magic' numerous times, which is almost certainly the reason that so many fans have reacted so positively to it.

It's comments like these I don't understand. I reply to the valid discussion point with a good response. Maybe we should leave the past in the past and start anew?

We'd put things behind us if weren't for comments like this:

My opinion of Star Wars is the closest to being a "truly objective opinion" than anyone here.... whether people want to admit that or not.

Nah, you are like the second... maybe the third.

This is why people still occasionally treat you with disdain.

 

[GasparZizou]

Yeah yeah, water under the bridge, we ok by me (until your next berserk rampage ), people aren't really against you and they don't really hate the PT that much, I bet most of the time is just to bait you and give you a hard time

I believe that's Bill Cosby's defense.

As long as he doesn't roofie me...

 

[xipotec]

TPM survived it critical bashing based on about 10 minutes of film. People we so blown away by Darth Mauls lightsaber battle they simple got amnesia about the rest of the movie. Thats all people talked about. It was after it came out on DVD that peoples started to realize that the rest of the film was not worth watching to get to those scenes.

To me, obviously remove Jar Jar, and actually Have a child actor worth a damn, you might have a decent film. Bad CGI I can look past for a great story.....(the Hobbit fails here also)

TFA its the opposite to me. i find I only gave to sit through a few scenes for a movie mostly full of SW goodness. (rathtars I am looking at you!)

This is a very similar view I have of ROTJ, most of its great and I only have to endure a few stupid scenes to enjoy it . (After the Lucas changes it was a few more stupid scenes than before of course, Sy Snoodles I am looking at you)

 

[Khev]

TFA is a product of the social media/ad driven environment where it became an event like the Super Bowl. Wrongly calculated sales numbers due to increase prices in movie tickets doesn't capture any magic. Those box office numbers Khev was so enthusiastic for are completely wrong. TFA was not the most watched movie of all time... it just made the most money. When calculating for inflation.... it still isn't number one in that regard.

A lot of people who saw Star Wars barely are fans, just like those who watch the Super Bowl..... it was a event that captured the country so those could go post on there social media outlets "I saw Star Wars (insert emoji here)." Or to simply say they watched it and have the small talk/water cooler conversations. Just as it is "cool" to watch the Super Bowl.... it was cool to go see TFA with the growing acceptance of the "nerd culture."

Star War, just as the Super Bowl, has transcended American culture.

Although I wasn't alive or experienced it, I would say walking into the theaters in May 1977 to see Star Wars would have been the peak of this "magic" you talk about. The world was different back then. I think it meant more for a relatively unknown new movie to do so well in the 70s without the current cultural parameters influencing it.

I don't think anything can capture the "magic" from the original because of how Star Wars is perceived today.

This is an example of a "good post?" I guess we're grading on a curve then?

TFA is a product of the social media/ad driven environment where it became an event like the Super Bowl.

That's funny. Like any studio could "manufacture" the success of TFA. The Empire Strikes Back was "an event like the Super Bowl." So was ROTJ, TPM, AOTC, and ROTS. SW, ESB, ROTJ, and TFA were awesome and entertaining "Super Bowls." The prequels were also Super Bowls, so we had to watch them, but they were sucky teams and the games were filled with a seemingly endless drove of turnovers and penalties, and not a single touchdown.

"Social media" and "ads" have never, ever had anything to do with a new Star Wars film being a big event. They always have and always will be (until Disney makes so many that everyone gets sick of them of course.) The only question is whether or not they will be *good* or *well liked* big events. Some SW films fit the bill, others not so much.

Star War, just as the Super Bowl, has transcended American culture.

Look, I get that you don't know things because you weren't alive when the OT came out and then you missed the entire PT in the theater as well. But seriously, read a book or watch a documentary at least to get up to speed. Star Wars transcended its cinematic trappings *39 years ago.* It's not some new "social media thing." I honestly don't know how you can be alive and not know that.

Those box office numbers Khev was so enthusiastic for are completely wrong.

Right. Quote one box office stat that I copied from boxofficemojo.com and pasted here that was wrong. Yeah, that's what I thought...