Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[Kamandi]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

At least this time JW can pick up on more of the themes from eps 4,5 and 6 and build from there. I expect the next film to sound more like SW at the very least.

The other good thing about JJ working with JW is now I feel like he's going to direct these films to feel more like the OT SW films rather than the hyper-paced Star Trek.

 

[stshammgod]

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Well, it's ultimately the Director's say-so when it comes the the final mix on things, so I wouldn't be worried about Burtt overpowering anything that Williams does unless Abrams feels it's necessary.

 

[darthviper107]

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It'd be nice for a set of new scores that are more complete too--on AOTC and ROTS he had issues with Lucas which is why a bunch of music was reused from TPM

 

[a-dev]

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Yeah, what's wrong with Ben Burtt?

And I hate to say it, but I'm a little leery of JW since he's been a little hit or miss in his later years. His last few have definitely been on the upswing, but I was annoyed at his prequel soundtracks because they were so intrusive and were about as subtle as a rancor. He really sledgehammered the emotional scenes with loud, obnoxious sappy music to let the audience know something sad was happening.

I agree that his best is behind him but on the point of his music on the PT being overpowering - well, the way I see it he had to compensate for how unconvincing the dialogue and acting were for the most part.

 

[Mad Old Lu]

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I agree that his best is behind him but on the point of his music on the PT being overpowering - well, the way I see it he had to compensate for how unconvincing the dialogue and acting were for the most part.

yeah! I kind of rationalized it that way to myself as well!

And I agree Crystal Skull is one of his better recent soundtracks.

 

[Kamandi]

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No doubt Williams had to carry the emotional weight of the PT since the storytelling and the acting didn't get the job done.

When he scores decent films he's much quieter and subtle.

 

[jye4ever]

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Raise your hand if you think CGI green/blue sets with body trackers were available for OT that they would've looked exactly like the PT

ESB looking just like AOTC.

 

[stshammgod]

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As long as something is doable practically, they should do it that way. CGI should be relegated to unsafe stunt work or something that just isn't physically possible practically.

 

[Mad Old Lu]

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No doubt Williams had to carry the emotional weight of the PT since the storytelling and the acting didn't get the job done.

When he scores decent films he's much quieter and subtle.

That's a little debatable. In the late 80s, early 90s or so he got really REALLY heavy handed when scenes called for a lighter touch in soundtracks like JFK. I think around Catch Me If You Can he started clawing his way out of that trap and has been pretty good ever since (with the occasional heavy movement here and there). War Horse had some "horsey" parts as well. Didn't see Lincoln yet.

But like I said, most of his current stuff has been excellent, particularly War of the Worlds and Crystal Skull.

 

[darthviper107]

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As long as something is doable practically, they should do it that way. CGI should be relegated to unsafe stunt work or something that just isn't physically possible practically.

Most effects physically possible practically.

 

[a-dev]

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Physically possible pratically properly probably...potentially.

 

[stshammgod]

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Ahh Phooey!

 

[K07]

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I agree that his best is behind him but on the point of his music on the PT being overpowering - well, the way I see it he had to compensate for how unconvincing the dialogue and acting were for the most part.

I've never heard anyone bash John Williams' score for the prequels. It's one of the best parts that came from them! They work in the context of the film. As a whole album, perhaps a bit redundant. Especially AotC. I think TPM overall is the best of the three, but there's a lot to love with RotS as well. I love the love song in AotC but that's about it....

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

SHH:

The announcement of J.J. Abrams being brought on to helm Star Wars: Episode VII has been a very controversial decision. His previous involvement in Star Trek has caused many to begrudge his hiring on Star Wars, but as he puts it himself, the job is "one of those once in a lifetime opportunities."

Abrams spoke with the BBC about the approach he his bringing to the film and hopefully it will persuade the naysayers.

"It's just about about approaching it from as authentic a place as possible, and not trying to apply what you believe or think, as much as trying to filter everything and get at it from the core of the characters. [It should be] what you deeply want to see, never what you assume the fans might like."

Many have been concerned that Abrams' work on both Star Trek and Star Wars will cause the two sci-fi titans to feel the same, but he doesn't feel that way.

"To me they are such wildly disparate universes - the back story, the tone, the mood, certainly the history [and] the characters - that I'm in no way worried."

 

[Gruson]

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Burt is a genius in his own right. No dispute there. But he basically perpetrated a cut and paste of all JW's music on the PT. He removed entire sections of music to cut in music that was written for previous soundtracks. Also in the mixing, many of Burt's soundscapes and effects overpower the music; or in other words he felt the music was made impotent because of Burt's tinkerings.

Williams did a great job with Episode 1. He actually scored it the way he wanted to, well, mostly.

That said, for Episodes 2 and 3, Williams had very little to do with the actual scores that ended up in the movies. Williams saw pieces of the movie and wrote some main themes but that was about it. The rest of the scores were pieced together by Ben Burt and his team. They reused a lot of cues and even cut and pasted some music from various Star Wars video games. It shows too, as Episode 2 and 3 have the weakest scores by far. Episode has the best because Williams actually got to score it.

 

[pixletwin]

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Williams did a great job with Episode 1. He actually scored it the way he wanted to, well, mostly.

That said, for Episodes 2 and 3, Williams had very little to do with the actual scores that ended up in the movies. Williams saw pieces of the movie and wrote some main themes but that was about it. The rest of the scores were pieced together by Ben Burt and his team. They reused a lot of cues and even cut and pasted some music from various Star Wars video games. It shows too, as Episode 2 and 3 have the weakest scores by far. Episode has the best because Williams actually got to score it.

 

[Kamandi]

Early reviews on Star Trek Into Darkness are mixed. Makes me wonder if he rushed Star Trek and now he's going to rush Star Wars

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[FLOSI]

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Any real news yet? No? Okay...

 

[karamazov80]

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Early reviews on Star Trek Into Darkness are mixed. Makes me wonder if he rushed Star Trek and now he's going to rush Star Wars

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More likely he's just lost his creative spark, and that his mediocrity will only grow as the Star Wars films progress.

 

[rushmore223]

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More likely he's just lost his creative spark, and that his mediocrity will only grow as the Star Wars films progress.

Considering the investment Disney has made, the movie will need to be nothing less than stellar (no pun intended) since they intend on releasing a new movie every single year. If it turns out to be short of the mark, I wouldnt be surprised if people are brought in to rework the film, though, it's way too early at this point.

Disney has too much riding on this to even settle for mediocrity.