Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Spoiler

Rey is a nobody.
Snoke is killed by Kylo.
Luke dies after fake-fightin' Kylo.


Well, I will hate the humor for sure.
But if the plot leaks are true then I won't mind seein' this.

Use spoilers.

 

[RIDDICK]

Use spoilers.

There's a thread for this now. People can go there. I don't care.

You'll all come around now and start loving Rogue One, as it should be loved.

No ****in' way! Not me.
RO ruined any chance of seein' Kyle Katarn's stories.
**** that movie and **** Disney!

 

[Otomofan]

Wor-gar....what was the scene that went completely silent for a few seconds/minute....was it when Leia is blasted out in space?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

was it when Leia is blasted out in space?

 

[Wor-Gar]

There's a lot more problems than just the spoilers you guys read.

Spoiler

Many of the storylines are pointless, for example the entire Casino World 'adventure' is a waste of time, literally -- and the whole section feels pulled from The Fifth Element, not Star Wars. The film is very disjointed for an auteur. The film has a climax and yet keeps going for essentially a double beat of the same action. Structurally the film's a mess. And very little is revealed.

I will say, the movie opens with a great adventurous start.

But as soon as we go to Luke, it slows to a crawl and begins its pointlessness and lack of true revelations.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Wor-gar....what was the scene that went completely silent for a few seconds/minute....was it when Leia is blasted out in space?

No.

That was a really cool bit actually. Not Leia, but what happens when the movie goes silent. I don't want to ruin that moment.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

There's a lot more problems than just the spoilers you guys read.

Spoiler

Many of the storylines are pointless, for example the entire Casino World 'adventure' is a waste of time, literally -- and the whole section feels pulled from The Fifth Element, not Star Wars. The film is very disjointed for an auteur. The film has a climax and yet keeps going for essentially a double beat of the same action. Structurally the film a mess. And very little is revealed.

I will say, the movie opens with a great adventurous start.

But as soon as we go to Luke, it slows to a crawl and begins its pointlessness and lack of true revelations.

Is it true that

Spoiler

Yoda shows up, and says the "the hell with SNIKT's Jedi myth, ancient books, and jedi history!" and burns the tree with lightning?

Can you describe in detail Luke's fight with Kylo and what else he does when he shows up using his new abilities?

 

[Wor-Gar]

Is it true that

Spoiler

Yoda shows up, and says the "the hell with SNIKT's Jedi myth, ancient books, and jedi history!" and burns the tree with lightning?

Can you describe in detail Luke's fight with Kylo and what else he does when he shows up using his new abilities?

Yes its true.

Spoiler

Luke's fight with Kylo: Luke steps out on the salt planet. Kylo has every gun in his arsenal shoot at him. Hux finally says stop. Luke steps out of the smoke unscathed and dusts off his shoulder. Kylo goes outside to fight him. They stare at each other a long time. There's no real fight. Kylo runs at him a couple times, more like a joust, and Luke avoids him with some bending-backwards Matrix moves. Finally, after the audience is explained that Luke is sacrificing himself so the other heroes can escape, Luke knows he's given enough time and just stands there like Ben while Kylo cuts through him -- literally. Kylo realizes Luke is a hologram. Luke says " See ya 'round, Kiddo" and fades away.

A long dramatic time later, Luke keels over and dies on his rock.

 

[ironwez20]

Do you really want me to spoil it?


I will go on record to say that not only is SNIKT wrong about Snoke and Rey... he is so wrong. I can't wait for him to see this.

I will also say that I was.... disappointed by this movie.

Well.....yea I knew snikt would be wrong about this movie. I knew disney would never be so bold

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Yes its true.

Man, I can't wait for SNIKT's reaction. His Vampire saga doesn't sound so bad now.

 

[Wor-Gar]

It might very well have been better. SNIKT can die knowing he had a better idea.

I hope he'll be more sparing too in the future with his use of "auteur".

I really don't see a "Rian Trilogy" in Disney's future.

 

[ironwez20]

Lmao ok so the internet is about to just explode

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I bet this film still gets like a 95% on RT.

Jye is going to go crazy on Friday

 

[Popnfresh98]

Yes its true.

Spoiler

Luke's fight with Kylo: Luke steps out on the salt planet. Kylo has every gun in his arsenal shoot at him. Hux finally says stop. Luke steps out of the smoke unscathed and dusts off his shoulder. Kylo goes outside to fight him. They stare at each other a long time. There's no real fight. Kylo runs at him a couple times, more like a joust, and Luke avoids him with some bending-backwards Matrix moves. Finally, after the audience is explained that Luke is sacrificing himself so the other heroes can escape, Luke knows he's given enough time and just stands there like Ben while Kylo cuts through him -- literally. Kylo realizes Luke is a hologram. Luke says " See ya 'round, Kiddo" and fades away.

A long dramatic time later, Luke keels over and dies on his rock.

That last bit sounds insanely terrible. I can't believe that's how he goes out.


........

 

[Wor-Gar]

I bet this film still gets like a 95% on RT.

Of course it will. And an easy billion too. Doubt it will get anywhere near 2 billion this time though.


Like all Star Wars movies, this one has lots of cool shots, cool things, and some great laughs. It actually starts with a great adventure sequence. But overall the problems outweigh the good, for me.

This was a pivotal movie. It would decide if the ST was better than the PT. Now... it's shaping up to be a tie... just depending whether you prefer lots of pretty designs or much better acting.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Of course it will. And an easy billion too. Doubt it will get anywhere near 2 billion this time though.


Like all Star Wars movies, this one has lots of cool shots, cool things, and some great laughs. It actually starts with a great adventure sequence. But overall the problems outweigh the good, for me.

This was a pivotal movie. It would decide if the ST was better than the PT. Now... at best... it is a tie... just depending whether you prefer lots of pretty designs or much better acting.

Where do you think they go from here? It almost feels like TFA and the OT are meaningless, like they are making things up as they go.

 

[RIDDICK]

It almost feels like TFA and the OT are meaningless, like they are making things up as they go.

Don't say that only now you realise this...
It was so obvious after reshoots and **** with RO and Solo.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Don't say that only now you realise this...
It was so obvious after reshoots and **** with RO and Solo.

Well, I don't expect much from the new prequels like RO or SOLO, but I thought TFA being the main franchise and the fact that it introduced certain characters and it asked certain questions that there was some kind of outline or plan. It's only logical that they should plan a few things considering all the money they spent buying the franchise. That's why I was shocked when I read the spoilers, because it felt like they just said the hell with TFA and the OT.

 

[Otomofan]

As bad as this movie sounds, it doesn't even sound as bad as TFA. And I think I've finally accepted why. What really bothers me isn't seeing my heroes die on the screen. It's that the filmmakers robbed them of the last 30 or so years of their lives.

Han didn't live happily ever after with Leia. He spent the last few decades of his life as the same selfish scumbag he was when he was first introduced in Mos Eisley.

Luke didn't fulfill his destiny and recreate the Jedi order. He failed more miserably than his mentors and spend the last several decades of his life hiding. Just hiding alone, in complete isolation. Drinking green milk out of a giant slug monster's teat. Broken and pathetic. All that potential and all that "destiny" just wasted on a whim cause Disney wanted to get younger asses in the seats.

So both Han and Luke get to have one big final heroic sacrifice before killing themselves. Big deal. They both wasted the primes of their lives. It's more sad than just seeing them die. It's seeing them die as failures that really ruins it all for me.

Same thing with Twin Peaks. We waited 25 years to see Agent Cooper again. And we found out the poor bastard was sitting in that room for twenty five years. The hero of the show that all TP fans love more than anything and he had his life ripped away from him, just sitting in that red room til he was an old man. And we finally got to see Cooper, the REAL Cooper at the end, but it was only for 10 minutes. In my head, all these years I imagined Cooper going on adventures and solving cases and falling in love and all that, but no. He was just sitting in a room. Tragic.

Same with Luke. Sitting in that cave alone drinking green slime.

These movies, these mythologies, are supposed to be better than real life. Of course characters should live or die. But seeing them condemned to wallow in loneliness, isolation, failure, and misery? That's just depressing. Our heroes deserve better.

 

[RIDDICK]

Our heroes deserve better.

Our heroes are only there to sell tickets and serve as a bridge to new worthless "heroes".
That's the reality of it.