Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[GinIchimaru]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

Space Leia was the strangest thing. I literally turned around to look at my friend who was already starring at me. We both shrugged our shoulders and shook our heads in disbelief. I knew things were not right the minute Luke tossed the lightsaber. Heard one poor soul in the audience say, “WHAT! WHY?!” While the rest laughed it up like if it was some kind of Marvel joke.

Also, Rose and Finn casino part dragged on forever and felt out of place. I mean Finn was a little too excited to be there. I was half expecting him to start gambling and use BB8 to carry his winnings. Meanwhile you have the ship and crew in mortal danger. Nevermind them, let’s go watch some Fantastic Beasts race on a track...

I was caught by surprise when they showed the back of Yoda’s head. Then...we saw his face. I’m no Yoda expert, but that face was way off. It was so distracting I heard almost nothing he said.

Snoke I thought was insulting cosplayers when he made those comments about Kylo’s mask. But maybe I’m reading into it too much lol.

Overall, the parts I did enjoy were Kylo/Rey scenes and that’s about it...

 

[Ropen]

So, the feminist and SJW has reached SW, now there is a petition to bury anything Anakin related because of how he ***** Padme in AOTC. I am not making this up lol


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[crows]

Women being turned on by Adam Driver.

Now I have to worry about if my wife thinks her exhaust port is being reamed by Adam Driver just great if she calls me Adam i’m going to call her Jlaw lol

So, the feminist and SJW has reached SW, now there is a petition to bury anything Anakin related because of how he ***** Padme in AOTC. I am not making this up lol


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love wins

 

[KerotanFrog]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

For those wishing Luke showed up in his X-Wing to Crait, I found the reason why he couldn't. I was thumbing through the visual dictionary, and it talks about Luke's hut. It turns out the door Chewbacca kicks open is made from one of the wings of his X-wing. Luke intentionally destroys his X-Wing because he has no intention of ever leaving. So when Rey and Chewie leave in the falcon, Luke is stranded. The only thing he CAN do is project himself to Crait in order to give the resistance time to escape, even if he knows the strain will kill him. It's a beautiful, heroic sacrifice that means SO MUCH more when you realize he couldn't just leave. The most tragic part about it is if he regained his faith in Rey and the Force earlier, then he could've done more. This is why Luke is crying at the end before he goes. It's incredibly sad and poignant.

I didn't realize that when I watched and was disappointed when he wasn't actually there. But now, I get it. They should've made it more obvious, but the clues are there. I hope people can change their minds a bit after knowing that.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Yoda in ESB - "Do or do not. There is no try."

Yoda in TLJ - "Failure is the best teacher." Yeah, the Jedi and Yoda sure know a lot about failure...and making **** up.

So wait, there is no try only do....but failure/failing is a don't, which is the complete opposite of a DO.

Wut? Yoda doesn't know WTF he's talking about anymore.

 

[Sassafras]

I am not angry about TLJ at all. There are things I hated and there are things I really enjoyed. I am split down the middle. It is very clear that this movie wasn't made for the people who grew up with the OT and I am okay with that. The great thing about the original trilogy is that it has a beginning, middle and an end. If you want more story that takes place before A New Hope, you have it in the prequels, and if you don't, you can ignore it. The same can be said for the Sequel trilogy. You can either accept it or leave it. The OT is nicely contained. For me Star Wars begins with the Empire chasing the Tantive IV and ends with Luke smiling at his force ghost mentors and dancing with his friends on Endor. I don't need anything else.

As for TLJ itself, I just want to mention some things I did like since there seems to be so much negativity in the thread as it is (and rightfully so).

-I really loved the Luke and R2 moment. When Luke says there is nothing R2 can do to change his mind and then R2 plays the message from Leia, I got the feels man.
-Yoda. Was not expecting him at all. To see him show up and have that moment with Luke was great. Was nice to see him acting like his crazy old self and not super serious like in the prequels.
-Porgs. I enjoyed them. Loved the moment with Chewie.
-I liked the whole sequence with Snoke. It was cool to see Rey and Kylo fighting together. I liked the twist. Was a great moment in the movie.


Anyways like everyone here I could go on and on but will try to avoid a wall of text. It is a lot to digest.

Agree tho not sure about folks literally having meltdowns online (at other sites). To me TLJ - while tonally different - still has plenty of the same "flaws" and leaps over inconvenient plot walls that the other movies do. Dubious racing scenes and arcs. Like:

1) Leia somehow always knows Luke is her brother, even tho up to then there is not one second of evidence of that - including laying a nice kiss on him. Fast forward and Rey has something inside her "that's always been there"?

2) Han survives being frozen in carbonite - well, OK, the process has some kind of tech that keeps him alive. So why couldn't a *powerful* force wielder survive a few minutes in space - I mean Leia must have been doing something with the Force all those years besides being able to feel a few things - and BTW tho, if she could feel Han's death, why couldn't she just feel where Luke was in TFA?

But Yoda was able to leap around like a rubber ball and fight with his powers so I don't know why space-floating and surviving explosions is off the table. After all, Anakin "had no father" which kinda implies super-specialness for the Skywalkers. The we have Anakin just throwing himself off a ship chasing a bounty hunter etc.
IMO Leia was kind of a silly scene but then Luke was hanging out in the upper atmosphere with one arm for a bit after getting beat up/electrocuted/huge fall.

3) So Snoke can't feel Kylo getting conflicted, but then neither did the Emperor feel Darth Vader getting conflicted either - whoops. Need to pay more attention instead of gloating if you're a mega-villain. Especially if you have been sneering at a super-special Skywalker!

Meanwhile, we've got the supposedly untrained Rey facing off super-villain to protect someone who can come back to the light like Luke did - the twist being Kylo is apparently (so far) slated to be her future mate/spouse. So happily there will be more of those super-special Skywalkers. Unless - since the director seems to like to shake things up - Rey ends up with Finn and Kylo nobly sacrifices himself at the last (e.g. super-special Skywalker who brings balance and also political correctness and diversity! And it's OK because the Jedi come back as holograms!)

And for some, it seems inexcusable that we don't get Finn's background and other backgrounds but even if we did, would it affect what's going on in the present? And so Luke had a moment of horror and reacted to Kylo - well, at least that's kinda better than having the Sith rising in front of you and not notice, even if you were the entire Jedi council. Plus most of the Jedi just getting slaughtered. And Obi-wan was pretty horrified with Anakin too - left him to burn.

So - IMO there's a lot of "comfortable" Star Wars here. A different treatment and some spectacular visuals. Reading some of the *anguish* on IMDB - I don't get it. Yeah, it's a more *modern* politically correct take on things - more shades of gray than black and white - but IMO definitely Star Wars. For me more so than Rogue One, which for the most part is unrelentingly grim.

And as far as the Porgs/vertical cows - IMO someone knew about islands w. isolated animal populations e.g. that tend to not fear "humans", unfortunately for them. E.g unless Luke was supposed to live off seaweed. Guess how Obi-wan or Yoda get food never comes up. IMO it was interesting TLJ showed a bit of Luke actually getting food.

Apparently inexcusable tho to some. But hey, someone had to slurp that first raw oyster. (So, OK, Luke milking some sort of elephant seal for me was better than the pic I saw of islanders swallowing down some sort of big worm or actually cleaning a fish and pulling the guts out etc.)

What, if you are living off the land it is supposed to be "nice"?

 

[The Jerker]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

I told myself that if one of the characters said "dude" I was going to get up and leave. As ZE-501 mentioned, the dialect was just so out of place that it completely removed me from the experience that is SW. The language runs too parallel with real life now. It was bad in TFA and worse in TLJ. I gasped when Thurston Howell said Luvee in the casino. Such a bad film, to me anyway.

 

[Luminous]

Yoda in ESB - "Do or do not. There is no try."

Yoda in TLJ - "Failure is the best teacher." Yeah, the Jedi and Yoda sure know a lot about failure...and making **** up.

So wait, there is no try only do....but failure/failing is a don't, which is the complete opposite of a DO.

Wut? Yoda doesn't know WTF he's talking about anymore.

Say whu? He is saying take action or don't take action. Don't half *** it. He says nothing about failure not being an option. No one wants to fail. But if you do nothing you won't know whether or not you could have succeeded. So no, Yoda is not contradicting himself.

 

[Luminous]

Agree tho not sure about folks literally having meltdowns online (at other sites). To me TLJ - while tonally different - still has plenty of the same "flaws" and leaps over inconvenient plot walls that the other movies do. Dubious racing scenes and arcs. Like:

1) Leia somehow always knows Luke is her brother, even tho up to then there is not one second of evidence of that - including laying a nice kiss on him. Fast forward and Rey has something inside her "that's always been there"?

2) Han survives being frozen in carbonite - well, OK, the process has some kind of tech that keeps him alive. So why couldn't a *powerful* force wielder survive a few minutes in space - I mean Leia must have been doing something with the Force all those years besides being able to feel a few things - and BTW tho, if she could feel Han's death, why couldn't she just feel where Luke was in TFA?

But Yoda was able to leap around like a rubber ball and fight with his powers so I don't know why space-floating and surviving explosions is off the table. After all, Anakin "had no father" which kinda implies super-specialness for the Skywalkers. The we have Anakin just throwing himself off a ship chasing a bounty hunter etc.
IMO Leia was kind of a silly scene but then Luke was hanging out in the upper atmosphere with one arm for a bit after getting beat up/electrocuted/huge fall.

3) So Snoke can't feel Kylo getting conflicted, but then neither did the Emperor feel Darth Vader getting conflicted either - whoops. Need to pay more attention instead of gloating if you're a mega-villain. Especially if you have been sneering at a super-special Skywalker!

Meanwhile, we've got the supposedly untrained Rey facing off super-villain to protect someone who can come back to the light like Luke did - the twist being Kylo is apparently (so far) slated to be her future mate/spouse. So happily there will be more of those super-special Skywalkers. Unless - since the director seems to like to shake things up - Rey ends up with Finn and Kylo nobly sacrifices himself at the last (e.g. super-special Skywalker who brings balance and also political correctness and diversity! And it's OK because the Jedi come back as holograms!)

And for some, it seems inexcusable that we don't get Finn's background and other backgrounds but even if we did, would it affect what's going on in the present? And so Luke had a moment of horror and reacted to Kylo - well, at least that's kinda better than having the Sith rising in front of you and not notice, even if you were the entire Jedi council. Plus most of the Jedi just getting slaughtered. And Obi-wan was pretty horrified with Anakin too - left him to burn.

So - IMO there's a lot of "comfortable" Star Wars here. A different treatment and some spectacular visuals. Reading some of the *anguish* on IMDB - I don't get it. Yeah, it's a more *modern* politically correct take on things - more shades of gray than black and white - but IMO definitely Star Wars. For me more so than Rogue One, which for the most part is unrelentingly grim.

And as far as the Porgs/vertical cows - IMO someone knew about islands w. isolated animal populations e.g. that tend to not fear "humans", unfortunately for them. E.g unless Luke was supposed to live off seaweed. Guess how Obi-wan or Yoda get food never comes up. IMO it was interesting TLJ showed a bit of Luke actually getting food.

Apparently inexcusable tho to some. But hey, someone had to slurp that first raw oyster. (So, OK, Luke milking some sort of elephant seal for me was better than the pic I saw of islanders swallowing down some sort of big worm or actually cleaning a fish and pulling the guts out etc.)

What, if you are living off the land it is supposed to be "nice"?

Good post.

 

[jye4ever]

Yeah Sassa just laid down his own hammer especially with Palpatine not feeling Vader.

See there’s great debate on both sides.

I will need my 2nd viewing to confirm but was Kylo spinning both his saber and Rey’s simultaneously to confuse Snoke’s force awareness, if so that’s pretty smart.

 

[Bravomite]

I agree that eliminating the bigger threat first (Snokecain) made the red guards battle seem anticlimatic, those guards should’ve just ran instead of fighting that’s what I would’ve done lol

Ok you ready for this.....know why they stayed and fought?

Yup you guessed it, Snoke isn’t dead!

Rian is trolling Snikt I guarantee it.

Actually I think you are correct and this is something that had occurred to me as well. The only way JJ can salvage this trilogy (and the fan backlash) is by retconning a lot of the weakest moments of TLJ:

(1) Snoke isn't dead... Look at those scars, do we really think this was the first time an apprentice of his tried to kill him. He will be regenerating and will be back. Episode 9 needs this because Kylo is not a strong enough villian for Rey especially as he has been undermined so greatly by her having already bested and then saved him and also through the directors making his hissy fits a moment of comedic relief for the audience. What better and scarier threat than someone who seemingly cannot be killed ... He could still be Plagius (please lol)... I can't imagine JJ was happy with his bad guy being killed so unceremoniously by Rian ... I also hope Ben will turn at the end or have the chance to and he can't do that very easily if he is the only bad guy.

(2) Rey's lineage will matter and naughty Ben was using some misdirection to undermine her and try trick her into joining him but not as his equal (I'm somebody and your nobody but I can make you somebody). Maybe she really is the heir of Skywalker and he knows it and is threatened by it because he wants to fulfill Vader's "destiny". As much as some people love the idea that she is a nobody so anyone grow up to be a Disney princes I mean Mary Sue I mean Jedi that's not how this saga should work. This is the last instalment of the Skywalker story and it would be rubbish if the main protagonist of the final film is a random Disney princess and not a Skywalker.

(3) yoda just reset what a force ghost can do by being able to physically interact with their environment. Perhaps you can only do that if you became one with the force willingly and not through a violent death (i.e. like Yoda and now Luke). Perhaps that is what Yoda taught Luke after they burned down the tree. If that were the case then there is scope for Luke to appear in 9 and to physically interact in the final battle. Have Luke redeem himself for the fans one last time and make his blowing away in the wind death in TLJ a bit more meaningful and purposeful.

These are just the random thoughts and hopes of a Star Wars nerd who was disappointed by TLJ as a film but also as a continuation of Star Wars lol.

 

[Entropy]

Yoda in ESB - "Do or do not. There is no try."

Yoda in TLJ - "Failure is the best teacher." Yeah, the Jedi and Yoda sure know a lot about failure...and making **** up.

So wait, there is no try only do....but failure/failing is a don't, which is the complete opposite of a DO.

Wut? Yoda doesn't know WTF he's talking about anymore.

Do = okay. Fail/do not = okay. Not taking action/pessimism = not okay.

 

[jye4ever]

Actually I think you are correct and this is something that had occurred to me as well. The only way JJ can salvage this trilogy (and the fan backlash) is by retconning a lot of the weakest moments of TLJ:

(1) Snoke isn't dead... Look at those scars, do we really think this was the first time an apprentice of his tried to kill him. He will be regenerating and will be back. Episode 9 needs this because Kylo is not a strong enough villian for Rey especially as he has been undermined so greatly by her having already bested and then saved him and also through the directors making his hissy fits a moment of comedic relief for the audience. What better and scarier threat than someone who seemingly cannot be killed ... He could still be Plagius (please lol)... I can't imagine JJ was happy with his bad guy being killed so unceremoniously by Rian ... I also hope Ben will turn at the end or have the chance to and he can't do that very easily if he is the only bad guy.

(2) Rey's lineage will matter and naughty Ben was using some misdirection to undermine her and try trick her into joining him but not as his equal (I'm somebody and your nobody but I can make you somebody). Maybe she really is the heir of Skywalker and he knows it and is threatened by it because he wants to fulfill Vader's "destiny". As much as some people love the idea that she is a nobody so anyone grow up to be a Disney princes I mean Mary Sue I mean Jedi that's not how this saga should work. This is the last instalment of the Skywalker story and it would be rubbish if the main protagonist of the final film is a random Disney princess and not a Skywalker.

(3) yoda just reset what a force ghost can do by being able to physically interact with their environment. Perhaps you can only do that if you became one with the force willingly and not through a violent death (i.e. like Yoda and now Luke). Perhaps that is what Yoda taught Luke after they burned down the tree. If that were the case then there is scope for Luke to appear in 9 and to physically interact in the final battle. Have Luke redeem himself for the fans one last time and make his blowing away in the wind death in TLJ a bit more meaningful and purposeful.

These are just the random thoughts and hopes of a Star Wars nerd who was disappointed by TLJ as a film but also as a continuation of Star Wars lol.

Not just random thoughts but great logical random thoughts!

Yeah Snoke is definately NOT dead that’s plainly obvious.

You sitting? (Please just ignore my need to be over dramatic lol)

Imagine it that wasn’t Yoda using lightning to destroy the Jedi scriptures!

I wanted Maz to be a sith so bad would’ve made her interaction with Rey in TFA downright disturbing that might still turn out to be the case

 

[Cap'n Cook]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

For those wishing Luke showed up in his X-Wing to Crait, I found the reason why he couldn't. I was thumbing through the visual dictionary, and it talks about Luke's hut. It turns out the door Chewbacca kicks open is made from one of the wings of his X-wing. Luke intentionally destroys his X-Wing because he has no intention of ever leaving. So when Rey and Chewie leave in the falcon, Luke is stranded. The only thing he CAN do is project himself to Crait in order to give the resistance time to escape, even if he knows the strain will kill him. It's a beautiful, heroic sacrifice that means SO MUCH more when you realize he couldn't just leave. The most tragic part about it is if he regained his faith in Rey and the Force earlier, then he could've done more. This is why Luke is crying at the end before he goes. It's incredibly sad and poignant.

I didn't realize that when I watched and was disappointed when he wasn't actually there. But now, I get it. They should've made it more obvious, but the clues are there. I hope people can change their minds a bit after knowing that.

Would the x wing not still be able to fly though?

Just wouldn't be able to lock into attack position.

?

 

[Cap'n Cook]

Where are people getting the screeners from?

Is there a streamable version online? Would like to watch it again.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Yoda in ESB - "Do or do not. There is no try."

Yoda in TLJ - "Failure is the best teacher." Yeah, the Jedi and Yoda sure know a lot about failure...and making **** up.

So wait, there is no try only do....but failure/failing is a don't, which is the complete opposite of a DO.

Wut? Yoda doesn't know WTF he's talking about anymore.

Yoda was terrible. The ridiculous lightning strike, the absurd council he gives Luke, the less than stellar puppet....**** this movie.

 

[Kay-ess-cee]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

I won’t deny what KFrog mentioned. The Luke sequence COULD have been really moving, it’s just at that point I was already detached. Nothing was going to make me lighten up. And I did like the lightsaber “battle” where they showed Kylos feet then Luke’s not disturbing the salt above the red crystals. It was as close to actually artistic cinematography as it could get. Again, it was just too late.

 

[Cap'n Cook]

(2) Rey's lineage will matter and naughty Ben was using some misdirection to undermine her and try trick her into joining him but not as his equal (I'm somebody and your nobody but I can make you somebody). Maybe she really is the heir of Skywalker and he knows it and is threatened by it because he wants to fulfill Vader's "destiny". As much as some people love the idea that she is a nobody so anyone grow up to be a Disney princes I mean Mary Sue I mean Jedi that's not how this saga should work. This is the last instalment of the Skywalker story and it would be rubbish if the main protagonist of the final film is a random Disney princess and not a Skywalker.

Glad someone else agrees with what I said about Rey.

Misdirection by Ben for sure. Only way to explain her owning the force so much.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Not taking action/pessimism = not okay.

Like hiding in swamp or an island?

 

[jye4ever]

Yup watch all these TFA fans are flipping out over nothing.