Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Adolfo]

Hitler would be burning Disney DVD today

 

[Adolfo]

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Man I can't stop laughing...empowerment of women still going strong lol

 

[Khev]

I see that TLJ has been pulling in $20 million+ on both Tuesday and Wednesday while most kids are *still in school* (TFA and RO both opened at the start of Christmas break.) Yeah people are just fleeing this movie in droves, lol

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[Adolfo]

Re: The Last Jedi OBJECTIVELY sucks. Your feelings are irrelevant.

Let's see if I can "find you" again. This thread is about how we evaluate fiction. What constitutes a "good" or "bad" movie. I argue that there are different ways to assess a movie. Some are subjective, some are objective. The Last Jedi fails in light of objective criteria. You can say that you liked a movie, and give reasons in keeping with your subjective priorities. That's a perfectly valid thing to do, which has a functional purpose in terms of helping like-minded individuals find stuff they like. You can also admit to liking a broken movie. No problem there. What you can't do, is claim that a movie isn't broken, because you like it. That argument doesn't make sense.

Regarding the feminism, we could just as easily talk about book-burning right wing religious people. It's all the same. However, in this case I've noticed that a lot of people are defending the film based on what they perceive to be the virtues of the film, in keeping with their beliefs. The movie definitely had feminist undertones. Whether or not you're a feminist and like it, the movie had a feminist subtext. It also had a vegan subtext.

It's relevant to what I said, when people attempt to shut down a conversation falsifying ideas. It's relevant, because ideologues subscribing the EXACT ideas espoused in the film, engage in the EXACT same behavior out in the real world. I'm not right wing and I'm telling you, there are serious problems with each wave of feminism, as someone who advocates liberty for women (and everyone else). I won't argue it here. Point being, we should have a conversation about it, right? Pulling a fire alarm to empty a lecture hall, or trying to convince a Mod to shut down a thread that contributes to a new conversation (this does) is, in my opinion, anti-intellectual.

It's simple: The pursuit of knowledge requires falsifying your own ideas. Anyone refusing to do that, right wing or left wing, is opposed to the pursuit of knowledge. They're a threat to logic and reason. I'm seeing a lot of tantrums from people advocating for The Last Jedi, that reflect a pattern of behavior I'm seeing on the left.

I'm an athiest and a nihilist who dislikes authority. My father-in-law is a socialist-leaning Mormon bishop, and yet he and I can sit in front of each other and have a civil conversation specifically about religion and morality, despite disagreeing on nearly every aspect of our beliefs. I've tried to do the EXACT same thing with people on the left who are into identity politics. It ends in tantrums and tears. That's a problem. When you don't have the emotional strength or intellect to question your own perspective of the world, you're stunting your intellectual growth.

Beautifully said

 

[Lakhota]

I see that TLJ has been pulling in $20 million+ on both Tuesday and Wednesday while most kids are *still in school* (TFA and RO both opened at the start of Christmas break.) Yeah people are just fleeing this movie in droves, lol

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I love your tenacity! I really wished I loved this movie, for you and others that liked it I applauded you. It actually makes me a bit jealous

 

[Asta]

Hamill said about the sequel trilogy, a movie doesn't have to be good, just so long as it makes money.

 

[Adolfo]

I see that TLJ has been pulling in $20 million+ on both Tuesday and Wednesday while most kids are *still in school* (TFA and RO both opened at the start of Christmas break.) Yeah people are just fleeing this movie in droves, lol

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Sheep follow...not flee...unless the big bad wolf comes...Disney no like big and bad things no mo

 

[Wor-Gar]

Even if droves didn't go to this movie, it would still topple anything else at the boxoffice. Disney didn't pay 4B for a successful franchise -- it paid for the most successful franchise.

But there still has to be "the worst film in the franchise"... and I think this is a good contender.

 

[Khev]

I love your tenacity! I really wished I loved this movie, for you and others that liked it I applauded you. It actually makes me a bit jealous

Ha ha, I did love the movie but the funny thing is I can totally see why it'd rub a lot of people the wrong way. I mean Leia flies through open space! For whatever reason none of it bothers me, none of it. I am highly amused at just how off the deep end so many of the reactions have gone though. Way moreso than any decision that Johnson made.

 

[Adolfo]

God couldn't stop the disease Disney spread...calling my doctor for the new hope vaccine...he said hope is dead like star wars

 

[SNIKT1950]

For whatever reason none of it bothers me, none of it.

 

[Craig Walker]

Wow (Hamill Vid)

Can't spin that.

 

[Adolfo]

Ha ha, I did love the movie but the funny thing is I can totally see why it'd rub a lot of people the wrong way. I mean Leia flies through open space! For whatever reason none of it bothers me, none of it. I am highly amused at just how off the deep end so many of the reactions have gone though. Way moreso than any decision that Johnson made.

Wait..did you see this film after the clinic

 

[pixletwin]

I'll be honest (definitely leaving myself open to ridicule... that's ok.).....

That Leia scene choked me up a little bit. It's probably in my top 3 moments of the movie.

 

[Ropen]

Jedi is plural so haha


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[Adolfo]

Even if droves didn't go to this movie, it would still topple anything else at the boxoffice. Disney didn't pay 4B for a successful franchise -- it paid for the most successful franchise.

But there still has to be "the worst film in the franchise"... and I think this is a good contender.

Your avatar is exactly what happpened this past weekend

 

[ZaCHw117]

Does Adolfo sleep?

 

[Adolfo]

I'll be honest (definitely leaving myself open to ridicule... that's ok.).....

That Leia scene choked me up a little bit. It's probably in my top 3 moments of the movie.

The yondu/star lord death scene was 100x more emotional and better

 

[Khev]

Space Leia >>>>>>>>>> every second of GotG2. And that's objective fact because I said it on the internet.

 

[a-dev]

That's been PT haters VS PT lovers this whole time. Now you know