Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[rushmore223]

yes. that movie wasn't about teaching us a lesson. TLJ was out to make a point. As others have noted, why create a character for Holdo's role when you have Ackbar, Lando etc who could fulfill the position? it was plain as day Holdo was a forced female lead, unnecessary part of the story. I don't need politics or preaching in my star wars, just give me a good story.

Cause it's hard arguing with a guy wearing a fish head.

 

[Adolfo]

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That photo would make for better villains than what we got...

 

[pixletwin]

For TLJ apologists/Disney disciples, yes. Just look at Jye constantly posting box office numbers like if their "season stats". They see it as a sport which is just tragic.

If TLJ had been the great movie they wished it was, 90% on the internet wouldn't be tearing it apart and petitioning for Johnson's firing from Lucasfilm. TFA had detractors but nothing like this. This is widespread hysteria.

"Tragic"? Really?

 

[ZaCHw117]

For TLJ apologists/Disney disciples, yes. Just look at Jye constantly posting box office numbers like if their "season stats". They see it as a sport which is just tragic.

If TLJ had been the great movie they wished it was, 90% on the internet wouldn't be tearing it apart and petitioning for Johnson's firing from Lucasfilm. TFA had detractors but nothing like this. This is widespread hysteria.

aka SNIKT didn’t get this so he’s upset:

 

[SNIKT1950]

As usual, I have no argument and am only armed with my love for bad movies.

I know, bro. No worries.

 

[moose]

I never expected Disney to screw this up, just goes to prove that their formula for manufacturing movies coming under criticism, they are just applying the same silly based story format and now people are pissed they apply the same crap to the Marvel.

The best think about this is that the actual fan reaction is finally being taken in to account in stead of these sell out critics.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: The Last Jedi OBJECTIVELY sucks. Your feelings are irrelevant.

There's been a lot of arguing between fans of Star Wars regarding whether or not The Last Jedi was a failure. I'm hoping I can help resolve the issue: It was a failure. There's no room for debate, argument, conjecture... We know it was a failure, for the same reasons we know that 2+2=4.

Many of you, including Johnson, the director, have argued that criticism of the film is unwarranted because aesthetics are subjective. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and who are we, the angry critics of an idiotic film, to tell you what you should like. Herein lies the problem: Aesthetics are not relevant to the majority of criticisms toward the movie. The primary issue involves internal logic, both within the film and franchise.

I'll give you an example. Language is subjective in terms of how we define it. When someone stipulates a definition, we agree to that definition for practical reasons but we're not bound to it. So if I point to a chair and say, "I call these Weebles", we can have a conversation about chairs, calling them Weebles, and the conversation will be intelligible. However, once you stipulate a word as a constant, IT HAS TO REMAIN CONSTANT for a conversation to be intelligible.

If I started using words in this post that I subjectively define for myself, without any adherence to the logical structure of the English language or any regard for how English words have been stipulated, my ability to communicate breaks down:

Flibbidy sboogle flot, em ne hinny begot snivot smelinky chelt forgal smoot!

The previous sentence is essentially what Johnson provided us, as fiction, with the Last Jedi. He disregarded the internal logic of the film, and the film's franchise. As a result, it doesn't function as a narrative! You can't respond to that, saying "Well, language is subjective. I guess people reading that last sentence just aren't getting what they want!" No, it was gibberish. It doesn't function as communication. It fails to articulate a coherent thought. Same goes for The Last Jedi. It's gibberish.

So, for all of you defending The Last Jedi, confused as to why people are so angry, it's because Disney has proven itself to be incompetent. The fact that you liked this incompetent mess is irrelevant. The internal logic is broken in numerous places, so it's a failure.

#SpazzForForumPresident

*AndKhevForVissPresident

 

[Lee in MI]

Re: The Last Jedi OBJECTIVELY sucks. Your feelings are irrelevant.

dude stop it, he's not bashing feminists, he's calling them out. there's a difference, why is any critique of this movie immediately met with this type of reaction. silly

He did bash em! You should read for understanding. What’s silly is the constant Back and forth about issues totally irrelevant to the argument. There’s no need to make it political. The argument, logic vs opinion, stands by itself.

In part, I agree with the OPs original post. In a nutshell, they trampled on many tenets of the franchise and outright deviated from longstanding norms of the concepts of the force save for maybe the prequels. Many of the decisions made for this movie clearly were head scratchers at best. Down right asinine to say the worst. Was it enjoyable? Sure...parts of it. But it had too many moments that totally took me out of the spectacle of it due to all the departures from established Star Wars lore.

On that, we can agree. But there’s no need to make the discussion political...imho.

And to the OPs very long “find you” post, it’s f|_|cking Star Wars...not all that posturing you just posted. Have you ever considered that you can’t have an intellectual conversation with some folks because you are simply rude? There’s something to be said about being intellectual but if your presentation is littered with unnecessary or preemptive nonsense, you tend to lose your intended objective.

 

[ZaCHw117]

I know, bro. No worries.

It's okay bro, let me show you a support group for people like you.

R/cringe

 

[Spazz]

Re: The Last Jedi OBJECTIVELY sucks. Your feelings are irrelevant.

Alright, let's look at some of the logical contradictions within the film. Keep in mind, this is setting aside any subjective aesthetic concerns regarding pacing, dialogue, humor etc. We're solely dealing with structural problems within the narrative where there are incongruities that aren't accounted for.

Physical Laws break:

1. Force ghosts can effect the tangible universe. This creates numerous coherence problems throughout the entire franchise.
2. Ships can weaponize hyperspace. This not only makes previous tactical decisions throughout the franchise questionable, but raises serious questions about the functionality of hyperspace-travel.
3. Gravity and the vacuum of space was inconsistent. In a Star Wars movie. (ie. Bombs dropping, pilot on the platform)
4. Snoke could sense people on the other side of the galaxy, but not the light saber turned toward him on the arm of the chair he was sitting in.
5. Captain Phasma's armor is blaster proof... although you wouldn't know it at the end of The Force Awakens, when she was captured by Han... wielding a blaster...

Motivational consistency breaks:

1. Luke went off to find the Last Jedi temple, seeking solitude (he went there to die) while telling people exactly where he was going.
2. Luke refused to kill Vader who committed genocide, because he sensed good in him... but would consider killing his nephew because he sensed some evil in him.
3. Rose sacrifices herself to save Finn, preventing him from sacrificing himself in order to save... everyone else?
4. Luke felt responsible for sending Kylo on a dark path. So responsible, that he refused to train anymore Jedi... capable of stopping Kylo... who he sent on a dark path...

 

[Khev]

Re: The Last Jedi OBJECTIVELY sucks. Your feelings are irrelevant.

Did someone seriously just post a list of ways that a Star Wars movie broke the laws of physics as proof that it was poorly made? This just keeps getting better and better.

 

[Spartan Rex]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/liberal-identity-politics-has-ruined-star-wars-fanboys/

 

[Lakhota]

Re: The Last Jedi OBJECTIVELY sucks. Your feelings are irrelevant.

Alright, let's look at some of the logical contradictions within the film. Keep in mind, this is setting aside any subjective aesthetic concerns regarding pacing, dialogue, humor etc. We're solely dealing with structural problems within the narrative where there are incongruities that aren't accounted for.

Physical Laws break:

1. Force ghosts can effect the tangible universe. This creates numerous coherence problems throughout the entire franchise.
2. Ships can weaponize hyperspace. This not only makes previous tactical decisions throughout the franchise questionable, but raises serious questions about the functionality of hyperspace-travel.
3. Gravity and the vacuum of space was inconsistent. In a Star Wars movie. (ie. Bombs dropping, pilot on the platform)
4. Snoke could sense people on the other side of the galaxy, but not the light saber turned toward him on the arm of the chair he was sitting in.
5. Captain Phasma's armor is blaster proof... although you wouldn't know it at the end of The Force Awakens, when she was captured by Han... wielding a blaster...

Motivational consistency breaks:

1. Luke went off to find the Last Jedi temple, seeking solitude (he went there to die) while telling people exactly where he was going.
2. Luke refused to kill Vader who committed genocide, because he sensed good in him... but would consider killing his nephew because he sensed some evil in him.
3. Rose sacrifices herself to save Finn, preventing him from sacrificing himself in order to save... everyone else?
4. Luke felt responsible for sending Kylo on a dark path. So responsible, that he refused to train anymore Jedi... capable of stopping Kylo... who he sent on a dark path...

Don't forget, Luke tossed away a saber he hasn't seen in 40 plus years that belonged to his father and a gift from Obiwan.....

 

[SNIKT1950]

I never expected Disney to screw this up, just goes to prove that their formula for manufacturing movies coming under criticism, they are just applying the same silly based story format and now people are pissed they apply the same crap to the Marvel.

The best think about this is that the actual fan reaction is finally being taken in to account in stead of these sell out critics.

Exactly.

Ironically their usual artillery (RT) has turned on them because much like the Death Star it has a great weakness ---> Public Audience Scores.

Again, I won't be surprised if Disney outright demands for RT to dismantle Audience Scores.

 

[ZaCHw117]

 

[Lee in MI]

Re: The Last Jedi OBJECTIVELY sucks. Your feelings are irrelevant.

Did someone seriously just post a list of ways that a Star Wars movie broke the laws of physics as proof that it was poorly made? This just keeps getting better and better.

That’s why these discussions are so so comical. People take this sh|_|t wayyy too seriously.

 

[SunrayTheWingman]

This is my first time logging into here in awhile, and after seeing the movie twice I'm honestly shocked at how many freaks hate this movie. I really enjoyed it for the most part. I agree the whole Canto Bight/Finn and Rose subplot sucked which was disappointing. I also agree that Holdo shouldn't have even been in the movie, her character could have been replaced with either Ackbar or Leia and it would have been much more impactful. And the Marvel humor was a bit much.

Can someone explain to me what else was wrong with the movie, that makes it possibly one of the worst SW films? Hopefully without jumping down my throat. I'm genuinely curious. Was it how Luke was handled?

 

[xipotec]

It's called the "Last Jedi", but contradicts itself by having Broom Boy at the end hinting at the " Return of the Jedi". Ep.9 let me guess Rey VS Kylo, The End

So all force users must become Jedi or Sith??? AND all Jedi must be trained for some undetermined amount of time to become “acceptable” as a Jedi (and not a Mary Sue)

I am trying to wrap my head around how people view the force.....because apparently it’s very different from how I and the people I associate with have viewed it for the past 40 years.

I wonder how people would have accepted Rey if she had been the Evil One and Kylie was the Good one.....

Is it easier to accept that evil characters can be strong with the force without Jedi training?


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[Chakor]

Re: The Last Jedi OBJECTIVELY sucks. Your feelings are irrelevant.

People take this sh|_|t wayyy too seriously.

 

[rushmore223]

I'm just thankful the Internet didn't exist in the 70's and 80's!

Could you imagine?

What was the point of Ben Kenobi?! Hes some kind of great warrior and just dies after the lamest sword fight ever?!

Princess barking orders at two guys! The Director has a feminist agenda!

The Emperors backstory wasn't explained! Lame waste of a character!

Dath Vader is Luke's father? Saw it coming.

Luke won't fight his Dad, what a wimp!

Leia is Luke's sister? Lazy storytelling (that ones true)