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Makes even less sense.

I know a girl whose partner of 13 years decided he was going to start dressing female and having people call him by a girl's name. Still dates a woman.

Their teenage daughter is pretty confused. I don't blame her.

I don't begrudge anyone their personal idiosyncrasies. It's not my life, and it's not my business. I don't think transgendered people should be treated like freaks. I also don't believe anyone should be expected to regard it as normal. It's not even remotely within the limits of a normal functioning psychology to decide that your physical identity is a mistake. I think it's akin to deciding that the sky is the wrong color.
 
Makes even less sense.

...I think it's akin to deciding that the sky is the wrong color.

I can call this person Caitlyn and, dress or no dress, treat him as I would any other human being. But this idea that society has to accept him as a 'woman', and that I ought to refer to this man as 'her' is not a reasonable or healthy response to defining gender perception.

How about me? I feel like an African-American hood dweller stereotype trapped in a Eurasian Australian body. From now on I would like to be known as Tyrone Washington and wear my jeans around my thighs.
 
Makes even less sense.

I know a girl whose partner of 13 years decided he was going to start dressing female and having people call him by a girl's name. Still dates a woman.

Their teenage daughter is pretty confused. I don't blame her.

I don't begrudge anyone their personal idiosyncrasies. It's not my life, and it's not my business. I don't think transgendered people should be treated like freaks. I also don't believe anyone should be expected to regard it as normal. It's not even remotely within the limits of a normal functioning psychology to decide that your physical identity is a mistake. I think it's akin to deciding that the sky is the wrong color.

Ahem hem hem *clears throat* Days were bad enough that I have to share a restroom urinal at a public place for the fact I don't like the idea of a gay dude getting off looking right or left and down... at the person beside them... since my future wife should be the only one who looks at my junk... Now that being said... since I know there are some gay people on here which "GOOD FOR YOU" lol I have a solved that problem for past 6 years taking a piss in the stalls and thankfully have not seen any glory holes drilled in the sides of the barrier either... (THANK GOD, otherwise I'm pissing in a corner behind the restaurant). However here is my dilemma, transgenders walking in bathrooms... well to be honest a woman walking in a dude bathroom looking like's Cher's now Son (Daughter still since 13 ribs) most men don't have problems with presumably... in a world ****ed up enough I worry in the future how far this Transgender thing might go to the point I fear for my woman's safety with a transgender man in the bathroom...

It's no disregard... or disrespect... Though... I must say with dudes as women still wanting to **** women... then the pycho thing still crosses my mind... clearly someone who goes through that process is on the verge of schizophrenia... and who is to say this wont lead to wolf in sheep's clothing rapes... it is bad enough that in today's society that men still hold the top percent for ****... though apparently after doing research women are in prison... odd. Anywho... say for instance a man goes through this process, still likes women, but women reject him and he needs a sexual outlet??? THAT IS WHAT I'M AFRAID OF... The Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs kind of **** happening... ya know?
 
The only people I have ever felt physically threatened by have all been full-blooded heterosexual males. No exceptions.
 
I can call this person Caitlyn and, dress or no dress, treat him as I would any other human being. But this idea that society has to accept him as a 'woman', and that I ought to refer to this man as 'her' is not a reasonable or healthy response to defining gender perception.

How about me? I feel like an African-American hood dweller stereotype trapped in a Eurasian Australian body. From now on I would like to be known as Tyrone Washington and wear my jeans around my thighs.

That's my position exactly. I refuse to participate in the fantasies of other people, but I can respect them within the bounds of reason.

I understand that the argument from biology is that the brain presumably develops separately from the reproductive organs and something gets lost in the mix, resulting in a female brain with a male body. I have no idea if that's true. I am not a specialist in fetal development. If it is true, how often does it happen that a brain chemistry will persist in generating endocrine conditions to support a uterus and ovaries when there are none to be found? Seems like too major an error for any significant portion of a population to be affected. It seems more likely that behavioral psychology is the routine culprit. A young boy (even a toddler) doesn't need to have a brain that's deluded regarding the identity of his genitals to begin identifying as female. All he has to do is begin a chain of value judgments that lay a foundation for future emotional responses defining his relationship to the world as feminine.

In either case, I still think the individual is free to proceed as they like, believing as they like. I do not think that either situation qualifies the individual as female when they were born with a male body. Nothing changes with gender reassignment surgery, other than the destruction of their body. A man can be feminine and a woman can be masculine. They are still a man and a woman.
 
That's my position exactly. I refuse to participate in the fantasies of other people, but I can respect them within the bounds of reason.

I understand that the argument from biology is that the brain presumably develops separately from the reproductive organs and something gets lost in the mix, resulting in a female brain with a male body. I have no idea if that's true. I am not a specialist in fetal development. If it is true, how often does it happen that a brain chemistry will persist in generating endocrine conditions to support a uterus and ovaries when there are none to be found? Seems like too major an error for any significant portion of a population to be affected. It seems more likely that behavioral psychology is the routine culprit. A young boy (even a toddler) doesn't need to have a brain that's deluded regarding the identity of his genitals to begin identifying as female. All he has to do is begin a chain of value judgments that lay a foundation for future emotional responses defining his relationship to the world as feminine.

In either case, I still think the individual is free to proceed as they like, believing as they like. I do not think that either situation qualifies the individual as female when they were born with a male body. Nothing changes with gender reassignment surgery, other than the destruction of their body. A man can be feminine and a woman can be masculine. They are still a man and a woman.

Heh heh.. guess hitler was born a sociopath... but how will we know... he blew his brains out before Einstein could study it.
 
That's my position exactly. I refuse to participate in the fantasies of other people, but I can respect them within the bounds of reason.

I understand that the argument from biology is that the brain presumably develops separately from the reproductive organs and something gets lost in the mix, resulting in a female brain with a male body. I have no idea if that's true. I am not a specialist in fetal development. If it is true, how often does it happen that a brain chemistry will persist in generating endocrine conditions to support a uterus and ovaries when there are none to be found? Seems like too major an error for any significant portion of a population to be affected. It seems more likely that behavioral psychology is the routine culprit. A young boy (even a toddler) doesn't need to have a brain that's deluded regarding the identity of his genitals to begin identifying as female. All he has to do is begin a chain of value judgments that lay a foundation for future emotional responses defining his relationship to the world as feminine.

In either case, I still think the individual is free to proceed as they like, believing as they like. I do not think that either situation qualifies the individual as female when they were born with a male body. Nothing changes with gender reassignment surgery, other than the destruction of their body. A man can be feminine and a woman can be masculine. They are still a man and a woman.

It bothers me that he is considered heroic, courageous and inspiring. BS
 
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