Superman (July 11th, 2025)

[a-dev]

Maybe 'goofy' was a bad choice. The trunks, the can-do, boy scout attitude, Clark being a bit clumsy instead of acting exactly the same as Superman. He's corny and a bit cheesy and that's a good thing.

Like this guy...

I definitely like the vibe he gives as Superman although I've long felt that the TV show format can't help but undermine Superman and make him less amazing due to the need to come up with a new threat every week that has powers like his.

He always belonged in movies IMO....we just can't seem to get any truly great ones for our time.

But for me the ideal Superman is willing to present as goofy and cheesy in the right circumstances, although not precluding him from turning serious if he's up against Lex Luthor or Doomsday.

 

[Dave_W]

Maybe Gunn might give you what you want.

I hope so. For the most part I'm happy with the casting so far.

I definitely like the vibe he gives as Superman although I've long felt that the TV show format can't help but undermine Superman and make him less amazing due to the need to come up with a new threat every week that has powers like his.

He always belonged in movies IMO....we just can't seem to get any truly great ones for our time.

But for me the ideal Superman is willing to present as goofy and cheesy in the right circumstances, although not precluding him from turning serious if he's up against his arch villains.

Like saving cats out of trees for the kids and threatening to mold lead boxes into prison bars for Lex.

 

[Mondragon]

#MakeSupermanGoofyAgain.

Maybe 'goofy' was a bad choice. ....

 

[Cap'n Cook]

Fan mock-up:

 

[Johnny Utah]

 

[karamazov80]

Wendell Pierce has been cast as Perry White.

Tremendous actor. Plays no-nonsense like no one else. I can see it.

I'm sure many Superman fans feel the same way you do. I was fine with it 40 years ago, not now. Maybe Gunn might give you what you want.

But for me the ideal Superman is willing to present as goofy and cheesy in the right circumstances, although not precluding him from turning serious if he's up against Lex Luthor or Doomsday.

I don't want a goofy Superman. Wholesome, earnest, kind, yes. But to me, Superman should be extremely competent and confidently self-aware. Someone who can stand toe to toe with Batman and Luthor in terms of knowing what he is and what is stands for. You can put him in ridiculous situations with someone like Mxyzptlk or Jimmy Olson turtle man, etc., but he should be the straight man in those situations.

James Gunn is the master of providing us with goofy characters, but we are gonna have both Guy Gardner and Metamorpho in this movie, at least, to fit that bill. Wouldn't surprise me if Jimmy Olson is another example.

 

[Buttmunch]

Agreed on Wendell Pierce. After binging Suits recently I can easily see him as Perry White.

 

[Gipetto0812]

Wendell Pierce was great in Jack Ryan as well so I love his casting as Perry White.

I definitely like the vibe he gives as Superman although I've long felt that the TV show format can't help but undermine Superman and make him less amazing due to the need to come up with a new threat every week that has powers like his.

He has some amazing Superman moments in the Superman and Lois show as well as some nice moments as Clark. The flashbacks scenes they've had are pretty great whether its him as Superman or his moments as Clark at the Daily Planet with Lois. All very well done IMO. That said, those few moments aren't enough to counteract what really brings that show down which is the kid/teenager aspect. If it was literally just Superman and Lois like a modernized Lois & Clark, it could've been really great.

 

[AlanJG1]

Call me old fashioned but I hope Perry White gets 2 specific lines in this film:

1. Great Caesar’s Ghost
2. Don’t call me chief (in response to Jimmy)

A bonus would be screaming out for Lane and Kent to get in his office.

 

[ironwez20]

Im
Actually interested in this movie. There is alot riding on this.

Can Superman reach a modern audience?
Can the dcu be successful?
Is Gunn the right guy?
Is superhero fatigue setting in?
Will Disney end up owning the rights in the end?
Lots of pressure

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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I like the new symbol. It looks like Kryptonian writing while also looking like the letter S. I hope the symbol doesn't mean hope again. That was so lame in Man of Steel.

 

[karamazov80]

Agreed on Wendell Pierce. After binging Suits recently I can easily see him as Perry White.

Wendell Pierce was great in Jack Ryan as well so I love his casting as Perry White.

I know him primarily from the Wire. Considered by many (myself included) to be one of the greatest dramatic shows ever, and he is a lynch pin for the whole thing.

1. Great Caesar’s Ghost

He's gotta say that.

Im
Actually interested in this movie. There is alot riding on this.

Can Superman reach a modern audience?
Can the dcu be successful?
Is Gunn the right guy?
Is superhero fatigue setting in?

I think Gunn probably is the right guy, and my guess is that this movie is going to be very good. Batman movies aside, I think his Suicide Squad is the best DC movie since the first Superman. But, that may not translate into a successful box office take. Superhero fatigue has already settled in pretty well, and for this to really succeed he's going to have to fight an uphill battle against the exhaustion and apathy of the audience. If he can't do that, I'm not sure I know who could. Maybe Noah Hawley? That guy is a real freak in terms of his creativity and ability to tell consistently interesting stories. Lord and Miller might also be able to do it.

Key is to focus, first and foremost, on compelling stories well told. They will happen to have superheroes in them, but that alone isn't going to be enough. Marvel and DC have set a pretty low bar on that front, but without a strong foundation rooted in good stories I don't see how either company can right the superhero ship. I already have next to no interest in anything Marvel has on the horizon. And that is sad, because I'm their key demographic.

 

[Gipetto0812]

I think Gunn probably is the right guy, and my guess is that this movie is going to be very good. Batman movies aside, I think his Suicide Squad is the best DC movie since the first Superman.

That's very interesting. I think his Suicide Squad was one of the worst DC movies down there with Birds of Prey and Black Adam but I'm also just not a fan of his really. Nothing personal but I haven't really enjoyed any of his work in recent memory whether that's his Marvel or DC stuff. His humor isn't for me and his action sequences are fine but nothing memorable to me either. The most I've liked something was Guardians 3 and that was only due to the emotional aspect of Rocket's story and his friends due to being a huge animal lover myself.

That said, Superman is my favorite superhero so I will always be optimistic about a Superman project (and probably find some good in it) unless it gives me reason otherwise. I hate that both Routh and Cavill didn't get to really show off their ideal versions of Superman due to lack of faith by the studio and I guess box office. Regardless of how anyone feels about Bryan Singer now, his ideas for the Superman Returns sequel sounded amazing and action packed; and, Cavill's ideas for a Man of Steel 2 were also very much what many seemed to have wanted from a Superman movie as well.

I hope this is just an overall good Superman movie. That's really all I want. Though, with so many extra characters it's hard to feel that way at this moment.

 

[karamazov80]

I also would have liked to see Singer get a chance at a followup. Guy was really good at making superhero movies, mostly. Returns suffered from trying to stick too closely to the source material.

 

[a-dev]

I don't want a goofy Superman. Wholesome, earnest, kind, yes. But to me, Superman should be extremely competent and confidently self-aware. Someone who can stand toe to toe with Batman and Luthor in terms of knowing what he is and what is stands for. You can put him in ridiculous situations with someone like Mxyzptlk or Jimmy Olson turtle man, etc., but he should be the straight man in those situations.

James Gunn is the master of providing us with goofy characters, but we are gonna have both Guy Gardner and Metamorpho in this movie, at least, to fit that bill. Wouldn't surprise me if Jimmy Olson is another example.

Fair enough. Although I did say he could be willing ''to present as'' goofy in certain situations, i.e non-serious situations which isn't quite the same as him actually being goofy. A confident Superman could switch modes easily.

I also would have liked to see Singer get a chance at a followup. Guy was really good at making superhero movies, mostly. Returns suffered from trying to stick too closely to the source material.

The source material being Superman The Movie and Superman II?

But yeah I think Singer could have fixed the problems of Superman Returns if he'd gotten the chance to do a follow-up. Namely pacing and lack of action. And maybe retroactively improved SR aswell. Instead we got a film with a new Superman and plenty of action but arguably no heart.

 

[Dave_W]

Fair enough. Although I did say he could be willing ''to present as'' goofy in certain situations, i.e non-serious situations which isn't quite the same as him actually being goofy. A confident Superman could switch modes easily.



The source material being Superman The Movie and Superman II?

But yeah I think Singer could have fixed the problems of Superman Returns if he'd gotten the chance to do a follow-up. Namely pacing and lack of action. And maybe retroactively improved SR aswell. Instead we got a film with a new Superman and plenty of lifting and catching things but arguably no heart.

Fixed

 

[karamazov80]

The source material being Superman The Movie and Superman II?

But yeah I think Singer could have fixed the problems of Superman Returns if he'd gotten the chance to do a follow-up. Namely pacing and lack of action. And maybe retroactively improved SR aswell. Instead we got a film with a new Superman and plenty of action but arguably no heart.

Yes, it wasn't just that he was doing a followup to those movies, but he kept the same premise as the first movie more or less. A different foil with different motivations might have allowed him to really stretch his legs.

 

[jye4ever]

Fair enough. Although I did say he could be willing ''to present as'' goofy in certain situations, i.e non-serious situations which isn't quite the same as him actually being goofy. A confident Superman could switch modes easily.



The source material being Superman The Movie and Superman II?

But yeah I think Singer could have fixed the problems of Superman Returns if he'd gotten the chance to do a follow-up. Namely pacing and lack of action. And maybe retroactively improved SR aswell. Instead we got a film with a new Superman and plenty of action but arguably no heart.

Nothing but heart…

Spoiler

 

[Cap'n Cook]

Official logo. From cinemacon.

 

[loki2371]

Official logo. From cinemacon.

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Yes, that is definitely something that needed to be changed and updated for current times. That "S" logo was soooo outdated....

Some people may have even been confused as to what character it was if they stuck to the traditional..