Superman (July 11th, 2025)

[Dave_W]

Yes, that is definitely something that needed to be changed and updated for current times. That "S" logo was soooo outdated....

Some people may have even been confused as to what character it was if they stuck to the traditional..

Did you complain about the Snyder S too?

 

[loki2371]

Did you complain about the Snyder S too?

Snyder's Superman is the only thing I liked in his entire DCEU....

And not sure what you mean, as that "S" is pretty traditional looking to me.

 

[Dave_W]

Snyder's Superman is the only thing I liked in his entire DCEU....

And not sure what you mean, as that "S" is pretty traditional looking to me.

It has its embellishments. This new S is practically a 20 year old comic accurate design.

 

[loki2371]

It has its embellishments. This new S is practically a 20 year old comic accurate design.

Yes, it is from Kingdom Come. Printed in 1996. An Elseworld's story part of DC. And a much OLDER version of Superman. A One off, as you will. Not part of any main DC continuity. Earth-22. How many people/normie fans could tell you what Kingdom Come was if asked?

James Gunn just being James Gunn and doing something to put his stamp on it. So people know this is HIS take on Superman.

Brandon Routh also wore it on TV. To show he was a Superman from a different Multiverse. Not the main timeline.

So it's already been screen used.

 

[Dave_W]

James Gunn just being James Gunn and doing something to put his stamp on it. So people know this is HIS take on Superman.

Brandon Routh also wore it on TV. To show he was a Superman from a different Multiverse. Not the main timeline.

So it's already been screen used.

So it's been used on screen before and it's not specific to James Gunn? So it's not really him putting his stamp on it as such and claiming it as his own? He's just pulling from the rich history of Superman.

 

[Mondragon]

doing something to put his stamp on it. So people know this is HIS take on Superman.

 

[Dave_W]

Is that Zods backwards?

 

[Mondragon]

?

I think it's the official No Superman logo.

Evolution...

 

[loki2371]

So it's been used on screen before and it's not specific to James Gunn? So it's not really him putting his stamp on it as such and claiming it as his own? He's just pulling from the rich history of Superman.

How many people watched the "Crisis On Infinite Earth's" Arrowverse crossover? On the terrible CW channel? When every show has been cancelled and it was reported the channel was losing tons of money year over year and never actually profitable.

It's still very obscure compared to a movie that will be released worldwide. I didn't mean he created it. But if his movie is a success, it is HIS version of Superman people will cheer. SO it will be a different take that he used on screen for the "S" logo.

 

[thosemortalmen]

Fair enough. Although I did say he could be willing ''to present as'' goofy in certain situations, i.e non-serious situations which isn't quite the same as him actually being goofy. A confident Superman could switch modes easily.



The source material being Superman The Movie and Superman II?

But yeah I think Singer could have fixed the problems of Superman Returns if he'd gotten the chance to do a follow-up. Namely pacing and lack of action. And maybe retroactively improved SR aswell. Instead we got a film with a new Superman and plenty of action but arguably no heart.

jumping to the discussion, I'm still curious about the "no heart" thing...

what is heart? the romanticize? the flamboyant? the feel good nature escapism? cheerfulness? Don't get me wrong, i LOVE Reeve movies, but i'm also a big Superman readers for more than 25 years. They able to present (through different eras) so many facet of Superman and the material was so rich that they have almost covered so many things about the character and his psyche.

If the definition of heart, means: no inner conflict, struggles, thankfulness, failure, rising above, gratefulness, warmness, strive to do the right thing, and hope for the best... then what is?

 

[Dave_W]

How many people watched the "Crisis On Infinite Earth's" Arrowverse crossover? On the terrible CW channel? When every show has been cancelled and it was reported the channel was losing tons of money year over year and never actually profitable.

It's still very obscure compared to a movie that will be released worldwide. I didn't mean he created it. But if his movie is a success, it is HIS version of Superman people will cheer. SO it will be a different take that he used on screen for the "S" logo.

And? It's still obvious its Superman. I don't get the reaction to it. I would prefer a more traditional S, but it's not a big deal.

 

[davejames]

I doubt it has anything to do with Kingdom Come, and they were simply going for a modernized take on the original S shield from the comics that had the yellow outline around it. Since this is supposed to be a younger Superman just starting out.

Only problem is I barely see any "S" in it at all, and if it wasn't for the colors and familiar diamond shape I'd barely know this was even a Superman symbol.

 

[loki2371]

And? It's still obvious its Superman. I don't get the reaction to it. I would prefer a more traditional S, but it's not a big deal.

My point is, as pointed out above, it could be confusing to some.

I guarantee that if someone put this new logo next to Snyder logo in a printed image and walked out on the street in L.A.or some big populated place and asked people "which symbol is Superman", like 90% would point to the Snyder logo and only maybe 10% would know enough to say both are Superman's logo.

Not saying people are dumb, but not enough would know the difference. Never a smart business move to confuse your consumer.

 

[Dave_W]

In isolation people might not get it, although the S is so iconic I think most will be able to figure it out. But it's going to be on a guy who wears blue tights and a red cape in a film called Superman.

Let's see what the marketing is going to be. For now it's just Gunn dropping bits and pieces and most people wouldn't have seen it.

 

[Cap'n Cook]

They were clever to frame it in yellow as it makes the ‘S’ a lot more obvious to the general public that way.

 

[Dave_W]

It's overly simplistic but I don't think it will be an issue. Most people expect Superman to wear red undies and they dealt with Cavill just fine.

 

[Kebron]

How many people watched the "Crisis On Infinite Earth's" Arrowverse crossover? On the terrible CW channel? When every show has been cancelled and it was reported the channel was losing tons of money year over year and never actually profitable.

According to the rating it was a average of 2.5 million people who watched each episode. With the Flash episode being the highest at 2.7million and Legends of tomorrow lowest at 2.4 million. That doesn't account for streaming just live viewings and DVR viewings.

You say every show was canceled like they were horrible and only last a year, but most ran for several years before ending.

Batwoman 3 seasons
Black Lighting 4 seasons
Superman and Lois 4 seasons
Supergirl 6 seasons
Legends of Tomorrow 7 seasons
Arrow 8 seasonss
The Flash 9 seasons

I'm not saying all these shows were great, or stayed great for their entire run. Just answering your question and showing that the number of people is more then you suggest, and the shows were around a lot longer then what you allude to.

 

[T8OO]

Official logo. From cinemacon.

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Looks like it's from Super-Pets

 

[Dave_W]

A bright, light-hearted and optimistic Superman movie that's fun to watch?

 

[T8OO]

A bright, light-hearted and optimistic Superman movie that's fun to watch?

Not sure about the last bit but the rest is looking likely.