Superman (July 11th, 2025)

[ironwez20]

David Ayer is getting crap from Snyder fans for him supporting Gunn.

Leave him alone if you want his Ayer cut of SS then let him kiss ass.

Bow to the ring boy.

wow. And I thought sonic fans were toxic

 

[Frenchy]

The war is over
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"My universe" This is the DC universe Zack, you didn't create Superman or Batman.

 

[jye4ever]

Snyder right now looking at the trailer…

 

[Frenchy]

David Ayer is getting crap from Snyder fans for him supporting Gunn.

Leave him alone if you want his Ayer cut of SS then let him kiss ass.

Bow to the ring boy.

"Ayer doudown on supporting Gunn and his new film, saying, “I cannot ******* wait to see Jame’s trailer. Real talk. And I cannot wait to see his film. And absolutely am sure he crushed it. Because that simple optimism of Superman is all over it. And the little kid in me needs that right now.”

https://deadline.com/2024/12/suicide-squad-david-ayer-backlash-james-gunn-superman-1236239652/

 

[davejames]

The thing about Snyder films for me, is that if you went back in time and found me when I was somewhere between 16 and 20 years old, gave me millions and millions of dollars and all kinds of resources, those are more or less the movies I would have made and more or less how I would have treated the characters I grew up with.

I was wildly dramatic and almost comically cynical in those days. I was dark as hell both as a defense mechanism and for catharsis.

So for me as an adult, most of his imagery -- even when it looks beautiful which it occasionally does -- and his characterizations land like teenage angst and not in a pleasantly nostalgic way.

Now this is just me. Maybe I'm projecting too much of my past experience and character on it, maybe not. Snyder just feels like an overly edgy teenager making music videos to me.

Gunn ... as I've said before I'm not a fan. I've found a lot of his work forgettable, repetitive and predictable. But I did love the first Guardians film, it felt like everything landed right. So I'm hoping for things to gel for him in this movie and confess I can't predict anything by the trailer although right now, I really do like it and don't have any set expectations.

Yup that's exactly how the Snyder films felt to me as well. MOS a bit less so, probably because Nolan helped write the story and they were trying to make a more broadly appealing movie to launch their new universe, but BVS was nothing but obnoxious teenage angst.

Gunn may not be nearly as good with the visuals, but he's a far better storyteller in my book. And even if the later Guardians films weren't at the level of the first, they were still far deeper and more emotionally compelling than much of what we got in the DCEU.

 

[jye4ever]

I love MOS and ZSJL and like BvS!

Yes what WB did to ZS was the absolute worst they ruined his vision they really really did!

Affleck Batman and Cavill Superman are visually a thing of PERFECTION!

Yes, it sucks big time that we didn’t get our Affleck directed Batman movie!

OK now with that out-of-the-way, it’s time to freaking move forward!

Because ZS was not allowed to finish his vision we were stuck with a gray angst Batman and a gray angst Superman.

ZS was not able to give us the contrast between the 2 that he was probably heading into.

Let us finally get back to that contrast now, hopefully anyways.

There can still be angst in a colorful vibrant 4 quadrant family movie.

WB right now needs a 4 quadrant family Superman movie my 16-year-old son and his friends are actually talking about this trailer! I know I am shocked as well lol

A dog will always bring out the families!

ironwez stop being a bully to the Snyder fans lol

 

[jye4ever]

Gunn just recently said he hates costumes with fake muscles.

 

[JorjeCroft]

The war is over
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That’s fake. lol He probably laughed hard when he watched the trailer.

 

[jye4ever]

That’s fake. He probably laughed hard when he watched the trailer.
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Holy crap

 

[Dave_W]

Kid was gonna laser some family who didn't know which direction to run in.

 

[Johnny1378]

I ran across a Reddit post of trunks added to this suit two years ago and the majority of the comments hated it. Wonder what they think of this now in comparison to what we’re actually getting.

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This actually looks like a live action Superman would to me. The new kid just doesn’t have the look.

Yup that's exactly how the Snyder films felt to me as well. MOS a bit less so, probably because Nolan helped write the story and they were trying to make a more broadly appealing movie to launch their new universe, but BVS was nothing but obnoxious teenage angst.

Gunn may not be nearly as good with the visuals, but he's a far better storyteller in my book. And even if the later Guardians films weren't at the level of the first, they were still far deeper and more emotionally compelling than much of what we got in the DCEU.

“Man of Steel” originally wasn’t even supposed to be the launch of anything, other than maybe its own franchise. The original plan was to consider a “Man of Steel 2” if the first one was successful.

The execs at Warner Bros. decided to retroactively make it into the first movie in the DCEU. I think it was less because it was commercially successful (although I believe it was a moderate box office success), but more because it was already in existence and they were trying to fast track their way to what they thought was going to be their “Avengers” movie, i.e. “Justice League.”

For whatever Snyder’s faults, I think we have to grant him this, the suits at Warner Bros. were expecting him to do, in two movies, what Marvel Studios had had years to do.

 

[The Buffinator]

Not what he can hear but when he can hear it, it's written that way, like EVERY movie does.

You're trying to bring up flaws in the logic that aren't there by generalizing it. Lois did literally scream louder. Are you saying volume doesn't count?

Have you not thought that Lex waited until he had tracked Superman back to the city before throwing her off the building? He didn't care if she died or not. He just wanted Superman's attention.

Many people agree with you that Snyder did some things wrong but that has nothing to do with the logic of the script.

He also heard Lois pounding on concrete underwater when she was trapped under rubble & drowning while trying to get the Kryptonite spear. As I recall, that was while he, Batman and WW were noisily combating Doomsday in Gotham (i.e., one of those large cities you mentioned) and he had no reason to think she was in any danger. I guess she hits concrete in a unique manner, or perhaps she was pounding in Morse code lol. The point is, ZS wasn't consistent in using Superman's abilities in this area. At times it tracked just fine, at other times not so much.

 

[The Buffinator]

It's easily one of the worst Superman costumes ever, but the trailer is great, and I have little doubts that the new guy will be the best Superman since Christopher Reeve.

Cavill never sold me as Superman and his Clark Kent was forgettable. There's something about him that's just not wholesome, which is why he probably be best suited for villains and anti-hero roles.

New guy has that small town good guy energy and look to him. He'll be great. Let's hope the film is good and they make a sequel with a GREAT costume.

I'm laughing at everyone ragging on this suit. There's obviously a recency bias at play here, as everyone is comparing it to the Cavill suits. It seems that people are ignoring that Cavill in a skintight muscle suit is the outlier when it comes to Superman - George Reeves, Christopher Reeve, Dean Cain, Brandon Routh, etc., none of them looked like they were competing with Arnold for the Mr. Universe title. And there's absolutely no correlation between Superman's powers and the amount of time he spends pumping iron at the gym.

 

[ZE_501]

I love MOS

I didn't mind it. Parts of it felt epic, but the suicide-by-tornado etc. and the generally brutal pragmatism of Pa Kent was too much for me. I also didn't love the neck-breaking and collateral damage. You can argue that the latter was realistic but I don't need that from Superman. Again, just personal taste.

For whatever Snyder’s faults, I think we have to grant him this, the suits at Warner Bros. were expecting him to do, in two movies, what Marvel Studios had had years to do.

That's a fair assessment.

 

[Nick D]

I'm laughing at everyone ragging on this suit. There's obviously a recency bias at play here, as everyone is comparing it to the Cavill suits. It seems that people are ignoring that Cavill in a skintight muscle suit is the outlier when it comes to Superman - George Reeves, Christopher Reeve, Dean Cain, Brandon Routh, etc., none of them looked like they were competing with Arnold for the Mr. Universe title. And there's absolutely no correlation between Superman's powers and the amount of time he spends pumping iron at the gym.

Because he looks like a kid,
this is Superboy.

If it wasn’t for the plot armor making him some God with abilities never seen before, you’d never buy that he’s that, when looking at his face, his physique, his suit.

It screams cosplay. If Superman doesn’t have the correct stature and build, your mind simply cannot let you immerse in the physical feats you’re watching him overcome before your eyes.

To put it into perspective, say Hot Toys put a figure with this suit up for PO, before any trailer, before any news about what the new Superman would ultimately look like. It would sit on Sideshow forever.

 

[jye4ever]

https://comicbookmovie.com/superman...r-terrific-ultraman-and-more---update-a215183

This is the first I've heard about ultraman being in this. I guess that's the guy superman is fighting on the football field (i think that's what it is). I'm guessing he won't actually be Superman from an alternate reality here. At least I hope so. I'm multiversed out in comic movies at this point.

I think it’s Nuclear Man, U stands for Uranium.

 

[Dave_W]

I didn't mind it. Parts of it felt epic, but the suicide-by-tornado etc. and the generally brutal pragmatism of Pa Kent was too much for me. I also didn't love the neck-breaking and collateral damage. You can argue that the latter was realistic but I don't need that from Superman. Again, just personal taste.

The final straw for me in regards to that, was when Superman uses his heat vision on the ships interior to save Earth ( "Krypton had it's chance" ) and it immediately causes the ship to crash through nearby skyscrapers.

Good job Clark!

 

[jye4ever]

Only thing that I dislike about MOS is the tornado suicide, that’s it.

Gross.

 

[JorjeCroft]

Only thing that I dislike about MOS is the tornado suicide, that’s it.

Gross.

Tornado suicide makes sense if you think more about it. Clark wasn’t ready to reveal his identity in front of everyone. Neither was the society.

 

[Nick D]

Tornado suicide makes sense if you think more about it. Clark wasn’t ready to reveal his identity in front of everyone. Neither was the society.

It also was a character defining moment for him.

It had to happen, if not he could’ve ended up being a farm boy for his entire life not stepping up to his true potential. That was the main string anchoring him to a normal life.