Supernatural Discussion Spoilers and Stuff

[batfan08]

Yeah, I despised the Hannah arc, and Crowley's mother is the worst part of the show right now. I really would like to see Bobby or John return.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

I can't stand Crowley's mother. She's absolutely the worst part of the show. Kill her off already and be done with her.

 

[Sidewinder]

First Crowley's son, now his mother is in the show! Haven't started watching season 10, however is does Crowley still have human emotions?


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[Josette]

Been so far behind with the show. Have barely watched it over the last couple of years and was midway through season 8 last time. Almost at the end of season 9 now. Geez, they just love to bring back women to kill them off don't they? First Meg, then the art dealer ex of Sam's and then Tessa.

This is a very big reason I quit the show. There are others, but this is towards the top. The way they killed Jo and Ellen was one of the reasons I tuned out during season five.

The episode with the art dealer's daughter, Sarah, was the episode airing back when I decided to give Supernatural another try for the first time (second time was Demon Dean, which I was cautiously hyped for, and I was so disgusted with how they handled that I've tuned back out). I loved Sarah and the Provenance episode in season one, so I was excited to see her on screen again. Then by the end of the episode I'd wished I hadn't bothered to turn it on.

I've genuinely tried coming back to the show, but I remember how it used to be, see how mediocre to terrible it is now, IMHO, and I just can't do it.

Having said that, I would still absolutely love high end figures of Dean, Sam and Castiel. I have enough love still for season 1-4 and the characters at that time that I would still love to have those.

 

[Sidewinder]

This is a very big reason I quit the show. There are others, but this is towards the top. The way they killed Jo and Ellen was one of the reasons I tuned out during season five.

The episode with the art dealer's daughter, Sarah, was the episode airing back when I decided to give Supernatural another try for the first time (second time was Demon Dean, which I was cautiously hyped for, and I was so disgusted with how they handled that I've tuned back out). I loved Sarah and the Provenance episode in season one, so I was excited to see her on screen again. Then by the end of the episode I'd wished I hadn't bothered to turn it on.

I've genuinely tried coming back to the show, but I remember how it used to be, see how mediocre to terrible it is now, IMHO, and I just can't do it.

Having said that, I would still absolutely love high end figures of Dean, Sam and Castiel. I have enough love still for season 1-4 and the characters at that time that I would still love to have those.

I have never hated the show, however I have got behind a couple of times. I think I watched the first 5 seasons straight, but got behind with season 6. I then rewatched the entire series from the beginning right to the end of season 7 and watched from the beginning of season 8, where I go to half way. So now I've seen to the end of season 9 and have to download or wait till 10 hits Netflix.

The show has certainly had it's ups and downs. I really didn't think the actors would have wanted to stay with the show for as long as they have. I guess they are content to have a steady job and settle with their families. I completely understand their decision for that. They are also so great with the convention circuit, so they have real love for the show and probably don't want to leave whilst it's still being picked up by the network.

I would really love to get Sam, Dean and Cas figures. I wish ThreeZero would pick up this line as they have done with other tv shows. I don't see any other manufacturer buying this license. I've never seen a good custom sculpt either, so there really is nothing on the market for collectors wanting a high end figure.


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[Josette]

ThreeZero would do a great job and if their Breaking Bad figure is anything to go by, they would probably be around $160 each, which would be great in comparison with HT's prices.

I think a company like Star Ace could do a great job too.

 

[Chapter 2099]

I would be soooo down for that.

 

[ShadowX81]

Honestly this show hasn't been great in years. And I still think it was at its best in the first 2 seasons.

I used to be obsessed with this show. I loved the idea of two brothers as modern day cowboys, cruising from town to town across the dark gritty battleground of the United States, finding the monsters hidden in the little cracks and corners of America's backroads, and defeating them with a combination of ancient folk stories and blue collar ingenuity. A modern day tall tale. It was dark, scary, and atmospheric. The monsters were mysterious and frightening; the same way they appear in our imginations. But most of all the writers understood that when it comes to the paranormal stuff, less is always more.

Now it is barely recognizeable as its former self. The writers seem mostly concerned with trying to make each other laugh, cramming in corny humor at every opportunity at the willful expense of mood. Even at the increasingly rare opportunities when they try and keep it serious, it is hard to get into it as the writers have lost all concern for mystery. Most of the monsters aren't completely dark creatures but rather functioning human beings who own houses, hold down jobs, spend a lot of time networking with each other, drive cars, have bodyguards, and keep up with current fashion. They have been moved out of back roads towns and into colorful suburbia; a casualty on the show's declining budget forcing them to almost stop filming on location.
Think of what was probably the show's most effective villain, the Yellow Eyed Demon. We didn't know where he lived or how he spent his free time. He was just out there somewhere, and it was incredibly scary. Compare that to the hundreds of scenes we get today of monsters sitting in their house drinking scotch. It just doesn't work. The same goes for how awesome Castiel used to be when he was first introduced as this otherworldy being compared to how mundane angels (including him) are now. All darkness and grittiness seems to have fallen completely by the wayside, as the set decoration has gone from rustic with a washed out palate to 70s cheese with a bright palate.
Everyone who is still on board with this show justifies that it is still worth watching because the boys' relationship is really what matters in the show. That may be true, but they sure haven't had a decent vehicle to showcase it in for many years.

 

[batfan08]

Honestly, I agree with you, but I still love it. The time when it was the show you're talking about ended when Sam went to hell in season 6. I think that was supposed to be Kripke's finale, if I'm not mistaken, but, since then, it is almost a completely different show. It's kind of like they've turned into a sort of psuedo-biblical action adventure show, now, with the constant focus on Angels and Demons.

In my mind, though, the perfect finale would pay respects to their roots. Have a story arc end with Sam and Dean in a position where they could very well die, and, in the next season, ignore it. Have a season that harkens back to season 1, where it's one-shot, dark, gritty monster hunting. Then, end it with the realization that they did, finally, make the ultimate sacrifice, and that this is their heaven. It's not dinner with John and Mary, and it's not living happy lives with Lisa, Ben, and Jessica, it's just...hunting. "Saving people, hunting things; the family business."

 

[ShadowX81]

Honestly, the time when the good stopped outnumbering the bad for me was Season 4. And it hasn't been consistently great since Season 2.
Season 5 was pretty representative of the problems that plagued the later series. Too much humor, making super powerful creatures banal, rewriting canon, way too colorful, human monsters, sacrificing mood for a corny joke. And the finale that was a huge let down compared to the huge buildup.

One of the biggest mistakes I think the show ever made was introducing the whole "Supernatural Books" meta-plotline. It was tolerable at first, but quickly spiraled out of control as the writers tried to one-up each other with who could get the most laughs in the writer's-room by taking the joke farther.

 

[batfan08]

I like the humor, though. To me, that's been the one thing that's made over 5 seasons of Angels and Demons tolerable. I like Cas, but it gets pretty monotonous when they're either going up against an angel or a demonic hellspawn every season. I like to think that there's a parallel dimension where we got this many seasons of Sam and Dean on the road, fighting monsters. I think the worst part, though, is that they've almost forgotten about their roots. I love Supernatural, but it's basically a guilty pleasure. I don't think I'll ever stop watching it, because I've watched it for so long, but it's almost developed into its own pocket category where I judge it outside of other television. Like "that was a great episode of Supernatural."

They tried that Backdoor pilot for the spin-off, and one of the reasons I hated it so much was because one of the main characters was a shapeshifter, and he did that generic mystique/Clayface "shift" thing, and I think the reason I got so incredibly angry about it was because it reminded me of how different the show used to be, with the shedding and the bones crunching, while it pulls its teeth out. The combination of that sequence, with the music, was one of the coolest moments in the show's history, for me, and how they could forget about that just made me sad.

 

[CallMeTheDoctor]

I miss those hilarious episodes where they dealt with random **** like the one with Sam having to fight that Clown?


I honestly think they reached a point like an RPG game, where you can use a dagger and pretty much **** up anyone with it since you are too high a level. This whole emotional Dean trip thing is solid for me, I like emotion. But it just seems too boring now. Like they can't find anything else. They should introduce more foreign lore like the Grudge episode.


I honestly hope this series ends soon, not out of distaste, but because it's definitely losing its roots and would be a shame to see a great series turn bad. I think they should have introduced a new flame or an old one so that we can see the brothers deal with that thing they can't have. By far the episode where Dean goes for Ben and Lisa is my favorIte. I just feel so sad for Dean because he loved them and well he can't have everything.


So pretty much they need to find a way to get rid of the whole angel demon thing, kill Crowleys [semi] hor ***** mother (I got a thing for Scots), and bring the ultimate thing for these boys. Where everything is on the line (which could've happened if they developed more relationships). The whole demon leviathan angel thing got boring to me. I really only liked up to season 6, everything else is; like Batfan08 said: a guilty pleasure.

 

[shockwave]

I miss those hilarious episodes where they dealt with random **** like the one with Sam having to fight that Clown?


I honestly think they reached a point like an RPG game, where you can use a dagger and pretty much **** up anyone with it since you are too high a level. This whole emotional Dean trip thing is solid for me, I like emotion. But it just seems too boring now. Like they can't find anything else. They should introduce more foreign lore like the Grudge episode.


I honestly hope this series ends soon, not out of distaste, but because it's definitely losing its roots and would be a shame to see a great series turn bad. I think they should have introduced a new flame or an old one so that we can see the brothers deal with that thing they can't have. By far the episode where Dean goes for Ben and Lisa is my favorIte. I just feel so sad for Dean because he loved them and well he can't have everything.


So pretty much they need to find a way to get rid of the whole angel demon thing, kill Crowleys [semi] hor ***** mother (I got a thing for Scots), and bring the ultimate thing for these boys. Where everything is on the line (which could've happened if they developed more relationships). The whole demon leviathan angel thing got boring to me. I really only liked up to season 6, everything else is; like Batfan08 said: a guilty pleasure.

Good reading really, and I have to agree.

 

[batfan08]

Honestly, I would've loved to see them take Demon Dean in the direction of the big bad for a season. Imagine it: Crowley's faithful lapdog goes rabid and overthrows the King of hell. Turning the Underworld into a Frank Frazetta/Iron Maiden/Heavy Metal nightmare realm. Sam wants his brother back, and Crowley wants his kingdom back, so, the two set out on a roadtrip to stop a Winchester who's gone off the rails.

 

[CallMeTheDoctor]

I actually would be all for Dean killing Crowley and having to stay in hell. To rule, but he does it so that no more demons come to earth, and maybe Sam has to do the same for Heaven. It would probably be worst than death to know your brother has to stay in heaven/hell.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

I thought they were heading for a Dean/Crowley showdown and was disappointed when they didn't. Dean sacrificing himself to become warden of Hell would be awesome.

 

[Chapter 2099]

Tomorrow, folks. Tomorrow.

NEW EPISODE!

 

[Matt S]

I think I am self-retiring from this show. The last great season was 6. There were sparks of its former self last year, but this year has been painful.

 

[Chapter 2099]

I think I am self-retiring from this show. The last great season was 6. There were sparks of its former self last year, but this year has been painful.

Don't you do that, Matt. Don't you give up on me.

 

[Matt S]

Don't you do that, Matt. Don't you give up on me.

Yeah, man...it pains me....I loved Season 1-6, but as we all know, the original creator himself had planned on 5 years...........and the 6th took on Satan - pretty awesome. The one way they would get me back: God