Statue T-800 Endoskeleton Maquette

[P.]

It's not supposed to have a weapon. It's supposed to resemble the original endoskeleton from the first movie, when he emerges from the truck wreckage. He wasn't holding a weapon.

The licence is definitely from 'The Terminator', not Terminator 2. The exclusive is a name plate with 'The Terminator' logo on it. The base was probably done this way as it was easier than trying to replicate vehicle wreckage. There is even pipe bombs on the ground which were used by Kyle Reese, and a light up feature in the base which is supposed to replicate the burning wreckage.

i don't get it.

 

[67L88Stingray]

It's too bad Sideshow can't be bothered to learn details like this...

 

[xpl0sive]

i don't get it.

What don't you get?

 

[P.]

What don't you get?

how come you care to explain that it's a T1 license and that this is supposed to be a T1 to people - and then don't like when said people take your bait and investigate the question.

 

[xpl0sive]

how come you care to explain that it's a T1 license and that this is supposed to be a T1 to people - and then don't like when said people take your bait and investigate the question.

Because someone was complaining that he doesn't have a gun and that he should because it's a T2 endo. I was just correcting him.

What I don't care about is the tiny little details that make up such minor differences between models, that only hardcore Terminator nerds would ever notice. I mean, finger joints? Really? I've loved the Terminator movies for over 20 years and that is honestly the first time I've ever noticed that, when you shared your screenshots, lol.

In all my time collecting, I've honestly never seen collectibles scrutinised as bad as Terminator ones, and to a lesser extent, Predator.

 

[P.]

Because someone was complaining that he doesn't have a gun and that he should because it's a T2 endo. I was just correcting him.

yeah i noticed that, i didn't think you were saying it was a T1, just that it was supposed to be. i think i got the answer to my question - you cared about makers motivations, not about the accuracy itself.

What I don't care about is the tiny little details that make up such minor differences between models, that only hardcore Terminator nerds would ever notice. I mean, finger joints? Really? I've loved the Terminator movies for over 20 years and that is honestly the first time I've ever noticed that, when you shared your screenshots, lol.

it's not a movie, it's a statue, a supposedly detailed representation of a movie character, a very expensive one. of course people (!who want a specific character, not just a random thing) study it if it holds up to what it claims to be.
otherwise this level of accuracy would be absolutely enough:

also there is a point that you might be missing there: you're not making a terminator statue and have every right to be unfamiliar with details.
the ones who buy the license, make a statue and sell it under that license... well, they could easily gather needed information nowadays. you saw that yourself, two or three common people threw lots of details in two or three days, so open this information is.

In all my time collecting, I've honestly never seen collectibles scrutinised as bad as Terminator ones, and to a lesser extent, Predator.

that agains says everything only about your lack of interest.
terminator skeleton is one of most complex designs in movies, and it has never been reincarnated properly yet, thus its details are often discussed.

i dunno, every time i see new information about things i like, i grab that information. it's not a close human being to avoid knowing something about it.

 

[xpl0sive]

yeah i noticed that, i didn't think you were saying it was a T1, just that it was supposed to be. i think i got the answer to my question - you cared about makers motivations, not about the accuracy itself.

Pretty much.

it's not a movie, it's a statue, a supposedly detailed representation of a movie character, a very expensive one. of course people (!who want a specific character, not just a random thing) study it if it holds up to what it claims to be.

Yeah I get that, I just find when it comes to Terminators, people can be a little over the top. Each to their own of course, but i won't be bothered if minor details are not 100% accurate to the real thing, as I likely won't notice anyway.

otherwise this level of accuracy would be absolutely enough:

Now that's going too far, lol. It still needs to look like the character

also there is a point that you might be missing there: you're not making a terminator statue and have every right to be unfamiliar with details.
the ones who buy the license, make a statue and sell it under that license... well, they could easily gather needed information nowadays. you saw that yourself, two or three common people threw lots of details in two or three days, so open this information is.

That's a fair point. Perhaps Sideshow is not using the correct reference material, or maybe they're simply taking a slightly 'artistic' approach to the production of this piece and make slight changes to improve the piece? not sure really. It's just not something I'm bothered by. It reminds me of the recent Alien Queen Maquette that was shown at Comic Con. Someone counted the vertabrae on the spine and there was a few too many on the statue, so they said it was crap because it was inaccurate...lol. I didn't even notice until that information was pointed out.

that agains says everything only about your lack of interest.
terminator skeleton is one of most complex designs in movies, and it has never been reincarnated properly yet, thus its details are often discussed.

i dunno, every time i see new information about things i like, i grab that information. it's not a close human being to avoid knowing something about it.

That's fair enough. I guess I just find it funny how in-depth some of these discussions get, especially when it comes to such minor details. I guess I'm more concerned with overall sculpt, proportions, the major details etc....

Pretty much anything obvious, because if these things are off then it just looks crap, i.e. the Hot Toys 1/4 Endoskeleton which had a weird head sculpt.

 

[PermaG]

In all my time collecting, I've honestly never seen collectibles scrutinised as bad as Terminator ones, and to a lesser extent, Predator.

Never been in some of SS's StarWars threads?

Pages of talking about armor pieces lengths or helmet asymmetry.

 

[jkno]

I don't know as many details about Endos, but always like reading about them. I like when someone (licensed or not) makes a collectible accurate instead going for the artistic interpretation like Sideshow does most of the time. In Star Wars area there are similar discussions about Vader, Fett, Stormtroopers etc. and even about various sabers, blasters, props and models. There are forums dedicated to these characters (RPF, PropDen, TheDentedHelmet etc.), or sites (www.starwarshelmets.com etc.) and people are reading about and studying these small details - they are called by some "rivet counters", though with experts like these you get the best collectibles out there, sometimes unlicensed, sometimes licensed. For example the Sideshow Probe Droid was made with the help of a few RPF guys, and Sideshow indeed listened to their ideas, and the figure is quite accurate compared to other Sideshow offerings. Same with AT-AT Driver.

We are not talking here about $10 Hasbro figures or Funko Pop, these are high end expensive statues which deserve more than just a high MSRP price. Personally I like accurate items, though I have my fair share of inaccurate collectibles. And I always read the reviews and ideas of people who know what they are talking about

 

[rjszar]

P. you just keep laying out the facts. You know I care about all the details, so do many others. Some may think it's silly, but when you're trying to differentiate between versions, what else is there besides the DETAILS? Anybody out there collect diecast cars? Would it be acceptable for a '68 Dodge Charger to come with a '69 grill. It's one of the important things that differentiates the two.

People find it so easy to criticize a statue or figure of a human character if the nose is 1mm too wide or the eyes are too close or the hairline is too high, or the fingers are too bony, but heaven forbid if we nerds complain that the knuckles are all wrong, or the hoses are in the wrong place or the legs are too long.

 

[darb]

I was more talking about the overall shape of the knuckles being round, since I didnt look at the picture. I also agree that most of this stuff is fairly trivial but has merit since an accurate T1 endo has never been made. sure there have been plenty of t2 endos but never one that has the correct details for the first endo. Maybe Prime 1 will nail it but we shall see

 

[P.]

I was more talking about the overall shape of the knuckles being round, since I didnt look at the picture.

i know. that's why i mentioned that only after-movie terminator models have their knuckles not round, while both T1 and T2 had them very round-shaped. and that was a surprise to me as well, when i gathered images for that post. i too thought T2's joints were cube-shaped, but this image definitely shows otherwise, though not to the extend of a T1.

It's just not something I'm bothered by. It reminds me of the recent Alien Queen Maquette that was shown at Comic Con. Someone counted the vertabrae on the spine and there was a few too many on the statue, so they said it was crap because it was inaccurate...lol. I didn't even notice until that information was pointed out..

i wouldn't notice such details as well, but that's because i never studied alien queen and aliens in common so closely. too organic and bendy, and too many different dolls for one character in one movie are used.
a terminator, on the other hand, is a thing consisting of firm details clearly separated from each other, and also a thing i tried drawing (sketching, not professionally drawing, just for fun) since school. of course i had to end up checking details, because when you draw something, you wonder what you should do on every millimeter of a character
i guess that's not the case with terminator sculptors. they just grap a screenshot and fill all unseen details by copying other toys.
that would explain why so many mistakes are always repeated (like that damn flat back) and why all skeletons look like T2.

P. you just keep laying out the facts. You know I care about all the details, so do many others. Some may think it's silly, but when you're trying to differentiate between versions, what else is there besides the DETAILS?

yeah, if we nerds are forbidden to go crazy on a nerd forum, we might bring our obsessions into real life, and no one would win from that

 

[xpl0sive]

Haha all good guys, keep doing what you're doing and enjoy. It is all trivial to me, and not just with endos, but I feel the same when people complain about actor likenesses because the nose is 1mm too wide or eyes are too close together. Just not something I really notice or am bothered by.

I'm not much of a Star Wars fan so I never venture into those parts of the forum, but I hear they are just as nuts lol.

 

[FACEBOX]

This was my point.
Some things might be trivial to you, but matter to others. So when a "rivet counter" points something out, don't you think their observations/feedback holds merit?

My previous post did not require "correcting". I made an observation that to you might seem trivial. However, a sign that says "Tiger" in front of a Lion's cage does not make it a tiger. Even if the zoo wants you to believe that.
Same with this Endo. It more closely resembles a T2 endo, no matter what the sign says.

 

[matturibe1]

It will be better than Chronicle Collectibles 1:4 Genisys Endoskeleton.

That is not saying much, I owned that Chronicle endo statue that was by far the worst endo I ever saw. I waited years to get it and hours to return it. So, saying it will be better, I feel it better be but this is ss we are talking about and most statues from them lately are horrible!!!

 

[xpl0sive]

This was my point.
Some things might be trivial to you, but matter to others. So when a "rivet counter" points something out, don't you think their observations/feedback holds merit?

My previous post did not require "correcting". I made an observation that to you might seem trivial. However, a sign that says "Tiger" in front of a Lion's cage does not make it a tiger. Even if the zoo wants you to believe that.
Same with this Endo. It more closely resembles a T2 endo, no matter what the sign says.

You said the licence was from Terminator 2 man...

I thought so at first too.
However, the licence is for "Terminator 2 Judgment Day" and the rubble on the base is from a structure (not a vehicle).
This leads me to believe that the statue is referencing T2. Even the initial concept art on page 1 of this thread looked a lot like T2.

That's why the lack of a weapon (or at least a weapon switch out option) feels weird to me.

 

[P.]

Haha all good guys, keep doing what you're doing and enjoy. It is all trivial to me, and not just with endos, but I feel the same when people complain about actor likenesses because the nose is 1mm too wide or eyes are too close together. Just not something I really notice or am bothered by.

I'm not much of a Star Wars fan so I never venture into those parts of the forum, but I hear they are just as nuts lol.

xpl0sive is on Sideshow payroll, his current mission is to convince people to stop looking at details and just buy inaccurate products!

 

[xpl0sive]

I thought so at first too.
However, the licence is for "Terminator 2 Judgment Day" and the rubble on the base is from a structure (not a vehicle).
This leads me to believe that the statue is referencing T2. Even the initial concept art on page 1 of this thread looked a lot like T2.

That's why the lack of a weapon (or at least a weapon switch out option) feels weird to me.

xpl0sive is on Sideshow payroll, his current mission is to convince people to stop looking at details and just buy inaccurate products!

Hahaha, you caught me lol

 

[P.]

no-no-no, i got a better one, theme-oriented:
xpl0sive is an infiltrator, sent back in time by future Sideshow, an evil master of inaccurate terminators.
his mission is to convince people to stop looking at details and just buy their products!

 

[xpl0sive]

Nerdy, but I like it