Terminator Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

[jye4ever]

Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

It's a shame he's turned away from great action/Sci-Fi films for such dreck.

 

[Khev]

Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

On the commentary for GI Joe Rise of Cobra Stephen Sommers said that before ROC came out he was getting depressed at all the negative responses to the trailers and showed the finished film to Cameron before it was released. He said that Cameron told him "it was great" which made him feel good about his work on the film. I think Cameron gets off on encouraging sucky directors to publicly crash and burn.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

Jim Cameron gives the film a glowing review. It also has new footage of 84 Arnold. It's CG, but it looks good.

I really want a new figure of young Arnold too, plus the T-3000 looks sick!

He never said it was good. He also said, "If you like the Terminator films, you'll like this one." That includes T3 and TS

 

[a-dev]

Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

"And now he's activated a beacon ordering all remaining Terminator fans to return to the theater. I must shut it down..."

 

[RIDDICK]

Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

It's a shame he's turned away from great action/Sci-Fi films for such dreck.

Well, early 2000s weren't good for him. He wasn't credited for Spider-man script and Dark Angel series failed.
I don't blame him because he did great work in 90s, which wasn't the best period of time for cinema in general.

On the commentary for GI Joe Rise of Cobra Stephen Sommers said that before ROC came out he was getting depressed at all the negative responses to the trailers and showed the finished film to Cameron before it was released. He said that Cameron told him "it was great" which made him feel good about his work on the film. I think Cameron gets off on encouraging sucky directors to publicly crash and burn.

To be fair, RoC was a great childish fun. Much better than any of Bayformers.
It just wasn't very G.I.Joe-ish.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

Well, early 2000s weren't good for him. He wasn't credited for Spider-man script and Dark Angel series failed.
I don't blame him because he did great work in 90s, which wasn't the best period of time for cinema in general.

He's just looking to stroke his ego, make the most profitable franchise to ever exist.

 

[Khev]

Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

He's using his Emergency Powers to play both sides. Pumping up the Separatist Terminator timeline while secretly positioning his army of Avatar sequels.

"Release Avatar 2 opposite Genisys 2."

Arnold looks at him in horror.

"Do it."

"I shouldn't have done that."

"It's okay, Worthington, he convinced you to appear with him in the abysmal Sabotage and you wanted revenge..."

 

[a-dev]

Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

I can see the confrontational conversation with Arnie going like this:

Arnie - ''You set us UP! It's all bull***t! All of it. The 'franchise renaissance' the whole damn business! You cooked up a story and dropped us in the meat grinder! What happened to you Jim....you used to be someone I could trust''

Cameron - ''I woke up. Why don't you? You're an asset. An expendable asset. And I used you to get the job done, got it?''

 

[Snake Plissken]

Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

I can see the confrontational conversation with Arnie going like this:

Arnie - ''You set us UP! It's all bull***t! All of it. The 'franchise renaissance' the whole damn business! You cooked up a story and dropped us in the meat grinder! What happened to you Jim....you used to be someone I could trust''

Cameron - ''I woke up. Why don't you? You're an asset. An expendable asset. And I used you to get the job done, got it?''

The irony is, he became an "Expendable" and he actually does this kind "Whuork" to pay alimony.

 

[Khev]

Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

Cameron reportedly just signed on to play Thulsa Doom in King Conan.

"My child, you have come to me my son. For who now is your father if it is not me? I am the well spring from which you flow. When I am gone, you will have never been. What would your world be without me? My son."

 

[spindrift]

Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

I'm happy- if Cameron is going to endorse it it has to have some good s*** in it! Can't wait!

 

[crows]

Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

Maybe the marketing people have done the worst job in the world
Wouldn't be the first time a movie gets horrible marketing

 

[a-dev]

Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

The irony is, he became an "Expendable" and he actually does this kind "Whuork" to pay alimony.

''Whuork'' That's exactly how I might have typed it. Hard to mimic his pronunciation out loud though.

Cameron reportedly just signed on to play Thulsa Doom in King Conan.

"My child, you have come to me my son. For who now is your father if it is not me? I am the well spring from which you flow. When I am gone, you will have never been. What would your world be without me? My son."

Alas, I do not have detailed files on Conan, therefore lack a good response

I'm happy- if Cameron is going to endorse it it has to have some good s*** in it! Can't wait!

Well, it's out pretty soon. I'm still looking forward to that cinema trip.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

I think this will be this summer's Edge of Tomorrow. A bloody good film, marketed poorly, but will be spoken of well and will do well in home entertainment sales.

 

[Khev]

Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

Except the clips of EoT didn't look atrocious. In fact they all looked quite awesome, from the guys dropping out of the ships to him running in a circle while blowing the alien away to Emily doing her backward stretch thing. There was a lot to get excited about.

It's so weird that Genisys is painstakingly spending millions to bring Arnold himself back and also recreate his younger form while recasting everyone else. It's just weird seeing 1984 Arnold addressing 2014 actors playing the original 80's street punks. It'd be like if they waited until now to make Back to the Future Part II but only Christopher Lloyd reprised his role and Marty, Lorraine, George, etc., were all new totally unrecognizable people.

 

[nexus]

Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

I have to say this is the single most powerful thing the marketing folks have done for the movie. There was absolutely zero interest in this movie before today. I like Cameron as a filmmaker so now I could get swayed. Or maybe Arnold hopped on the phone or pulled some 8x10 glossies out of the safe deposit box. So I'll wait for the reviews before making a final decision.

 

[Khev]

Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

Be careful about getting suckered nexus. This is what James Cameron said about Terminator 3 in 2003:

"In one word : Great. There was a small part of me that hoped it wasn't good - but another part of me hope'd it succeeded. And it did. And I'm so glad it did. Jonathon's made a great movie. Arnold's in great form. I really like what he's done with it."

And his review of Terminator Salvation in 2009:

“It probably didn’t get a fair day in court because I had to watch it at night when I got home from work, over a period of two or three nights. I think Sam [Worthington] is remarkable in the film because, well, I think Sam is remarkable in anything he does. Interestingly, I think McG did a good job in the sense…I think he was almost too referential to the mythos of the first and second film. He over-quoted them in a way?”

“It didn’t feel to me to be enough of a reinvention. I mean the thing we did with the second film is that we reinvented the first film completely; spun it on its ass and made the Terminator the good guy, and came up with a whole new concept for a villain, it felt fresh. I didn’t feel the fourth picture was fresh enough. It also lacked a certain stamp of authenticity because Arnold wasn’t in it. I mean, he was in it briefly, digitally, but that’s not the same thing.”

“I didn’t think it was bad. I didn’t think it was embarrassing. I don’t think he let the franchise down in some huge way, but I did feel some sort of unease that it didn’t go beyond.”

Terminator SALVATION over quoted T1 and T2? But Genisys gets a pass?

But it's just so funny to hear him say that T3 was "great," McG "did a good job" but then at the same time he also rips on those same films as having "pissed in" his story to the point that he doesn't know if he ever wants to return to the franchise. So I'm sure he'll reveal how he really feels about Genisys in 2-3 years.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

Cameron said that? Wow...maybe he was just glad the film didn't have any Kung Fu Matrix style action like 99% of the action films in the early 2000's.

 

[spindrift]

Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

Be careful about getting suckered nexus. This is what James Cameron said about Terminator 3 in 2003:



And his review of Terminator Salvation in 2009:



Terminator SALVATION over quoted T1 and T2? But Genisys gets a pass?

But it's just so funny to hear him say that T3 was "great," McG "did a good job" but then at the same time he also rips on those same films as having "pissed in" his story to the point that he doesn't know if he ever wants to return to the franchise. So I'm sure he'll reveal how he really feels about Genisys in 2-3 years.

Yeah he did say T3 wasn't bad- I remember that...I think T3 is pretty much a waste- not bad in an entertaining way but not much else, and I liked TS much more for various reasons.
Oh well we will all see for ourselves on this one..
I actually think it will be better than most of us think-

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

I watched a bit of T3 yesterday. Wasn't terrible was just very much a by-the-numbers affair and the TX just didn't have the presence of the previous Terminators.

I think this will be this summer's Edge of Tomorrow. A bloody good film, marketed poorly, but will be spoken of well and will do well in home entertainment sales.

Reckon that will be the case for F4 more than this.