Terminator Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

[DiFabio]

Yeah, but that's the thing, Dr. Who IS Skynet. Skynet is alive, in a conscious form. I'm pretty sure he even told John that the Colorado strike team victory was a ruse didn't he? Even if he wasn't, the Dr. Who personified Skynet could just rebuild/restart anything it lost.

 

[snoop101]

Yeah, but that's the thing, Dr. Who IS Skynet. Skynet is alive, in a conscious form. I'm pretty sure he even told John that the Colorado strike team victory was a ruse didn't he? Even if he wasn't, the Dr. Who personified Skynet could just rebuild/restart anything it lost.

That's true. I read somewhere that he is Skynet from another alternate Timeline, that doesn't belong to the 2029 he somehow managed to travel to.

 

[jye4ever]

Jai not being written as T1 Kyle is the least of the problems this movie has.

T1/T2 provides palpable tension, dread and mind blowing action.

TG has none of that, they were fighting a Nintendo boss battle.

Judgement Day is as boring as dinosaurs now, Skynet will need to create a bigger and scarier plan.

T-5000 was the I-Rexminator.

 

[Khev]

No way, Linda Hamilton will be at the Tampa Bay Comic-Con at the end of this month. It's a chance to meet the legend.

 

[DiFabio]

Maybe she'll take you in the back like she did with me 6 years ago.

 

[jye4ever]

She's cool, just don't touch her, shake her hand, ask any questions, keep your time with her less than 15 seconds and you will have fun.

Biehn was even more restrictive.

 

[Khev]

BETTER yet, why the hell didn't Dr. Who, Skynet guy just kill everyone as they were prepping Reese? That way, Reese doesn't go back and everyone in the room dies.

We don't know. The movie doesn't tell us. I wondered why Smith calmly watched Reese get prepped for the time machine before making his move. We'll either have to speculate as to why he didn't strike sooner or have it answered in another movie or sequel comic/whatever. Who is Star-Lord's dad? We don't know. Gotta wait for the next one.

Yeah, but that's the thing, Dr. Who IS Skynet. Skynet is alive, in a conscious form. I'm pretty sure he even told John that the Colorado strike team victory was a ruse didn't he? Even if he wasn't, the Dr. Who personified Skynet could just rebuild/restart anything it lost.

No he said the Colorado Offensive destroyed an army of slaves. I just took that to be how he referred to his "army." The Resistance was victorious in wiping out everyone but him. Not sure why Endo skeletons would power down with the destruction of Skynet's defense grid or whatever (since obviously they aren't connected to the "grid" when they go to a past decade) but it was more plausible than when it happened to the Chitauri.

 

[Khev]

She's cool, just don't touch her, shake her hand, ask any questions, keep your time with her less than 15 seconds and you will have fun.

Biehn was even more restrictive.

Wasn't she awarded like $50 million of Cameron's Titanic money when they divorced? What the heck is she doing coming here selling autographs? Jake Lloyd? Yeah, that makes sense. A bajillionaire like her though? Strange.

Lots of babes from the 80's will be here. Carrie Fisher, Lea Thompson, and now Sarah Connor.

 

[Khev]

T1/T2 provides palpable tension, dread and mind blowing action.

TG has none of that, they were fighting a Nintendo boss battle.

Correct, the action was geared toward being fun and special effect-y, like pretty much every MCU film (including the first Avengers) as opposed to being tense and having dread. If you watch it with your little T1/T2 checklist and pen in hand then you won't like it. If you watch it with a checklist as to what makes any given movie entertaining, then it becomes a heck of a lot of fun.

I understand being "put off" by inconsistencies between this film and earlier entries in the series. I'm still not sure if it's a reboot or not. Courtney say yes but guys like Clarke and Lee obviously approached it as if it was not. If you take it as a sequel of sorts then yes the characters' capabilities and power levels and things are different. But why does Captain America get a pass and not some super cyborg from the future.

jye you and I laugh at how Cap can all of a sudden take direct blasts from Ultron and even Iron Man right to the chest and just "walk it off" while immediately proceeding to beat those guys with his bare hands. Hell we joke about him taking Thanos alone with the rate that his strength escalates each movie. Because it's fun, not that serious, and we go with it.

Genisys is like that.

 

[jye4ever]

Wasn't she awarded like $50 million of Cameron's Titanic money when they divorced? What the heck is she doing coming here selling autographs? Jake Lloyd? Yeah, that makes sense. A bajillionaire like her though? Strange.

Lots of babes from the 80's will be here. Carrie Fisher, Lea Thompson, and now Sarah Connor.

She is known for setting her table up strategically so no one can flank her.

She is Sarah Connor after all.

Furiosa is treated as if she was the 1st strong female in an action movie, hello....Sarah and Ripley.

 

[jye4ever]

Correct, the action was geared toward being fun and special effect-y, like pretty much every MCU film (including the first Avengers) as opposed to being tense and having dread. If you watch it with your little T1/T2 checklist and pen in hand then you won't like it. If you watch it with a checklist as to what makes any given movie entertaining, then it becomes a heck of a lot of fun.

I understand being "put off" by inconsistencies between this film and earlier entries in the series. I'm still not sure if it's a reboot or not. Courtney say yes but guys like Clarke and Lee obviously approached it as if it was not. If you take it as a sequel of sorts then yes the characters' capabilities and power levels and things are different. But why does Captain America get a pass and not some super cyborg from the future.

jye you and I laugh at how Cap can all of a sudden take direct blasts from Ultron and even Iron Man right to the chest and just "walk it off" while immediately proceeding to beat those guys with his bare hands. Hell we joke about him taking Thanos alone with the rate that his strength escalates each movie. Because it's fun, not that serious, and we go with it.

Genisys is like that.

Maybe I'm wrong for doing so but I view superhero movies differently.

Avengers/Cap/AOU couldn't exist in the 80s/early 90s while Raiders/T1/T2 could.

For me CGI is synonymous with big scale superhero movies.

As as much as I love 89 Batman/STM, it's no TWS in the action department.

Now Terminators are chrome Hulks.

 

[Khev]

I hear you. Fury Road proved just two months ago that you can resurrect an 80's franchise without having to go full MCU and it did it gloriously. Gensiys certainly is no Fury Road, and it isn't TWS or AoU with regard to action (or quality.) But having said that I still found myself entertained the way I often do when I'm watching any non-TWS/AoU MCU film.

To me Genisys had the fun of a superhero movie but with the added bonus of an awesome future war (which actually DID feel like something we would have imagined in the early 90's) and getting to see Arnold back as a cyborg.

Naked Arnold charging Pops did actually give me a little bit of a Hulk vibe. I saw that ILM did some of the effects. I wonder if they were in charge of him and gave his rendering to their Hulk team.

 

[jye4ever]

How come when Terminators have skin they're as nimble as Ninjas, but Endos are all stiff.

 

[Khev]

Endo was pretty agile when it fought Reese in the bunker.

 

[jye4ever]

Was it, I'll go rewatch the movie to see that again.

 

[Xerowolf]

Couple questions:

Who sent pops back in time to the lake house?

Pops had a smoking bazooka when carrying Sarah away, did he blow up the house? The T1000 was already in the boat when Sarah watched her house blow up.

The T1000 that was at the lake was the same T1000 that tried to kill Reese? How did it not follow them from the dock all this time?

 

[jye4ever]

I hear you. Fury Road proved just two months ago that you can resurrect an 80's franchise without having to go full MCU and it did it gloriously. Gensiys certainly is no Fury Road, and it isn't TWS or AoU with regard to action (or quality.) But having said that I still found myself entertained the way I often do when I'm watching any non-TWS/AoU MCU film.

To me Genisys had the fun of a superhero movie but with the added bonus of an awesome future war (which actually DID feel like something we would have imagined in the early 90's) and getting to see Arnold back as a cyborg.

Naked Arnold charging Pops did actually give me a little bit of a Hulk vibe. I saw that ILM did some of the effects. I wonder if they were in charge of him and gave his rendering to their Hulk team.

Now that you pointed it out that's all I will see now.

 

[a-dev]

No he said the Colorado Offensive destroyed an army of slaves. I just took that to be how he referred to his "army." The Resistance was victorious in wiping out everyone but him. Not sure why Endo skeletons would power down with the destruction of Skynet's defense grid or whatever (since obviously they aren't connected to the "grid" when they go to a past decade) but it was more plausible than when it happened to the Chitauri.

Yeah this kinda bugged me - ''oh that old chestnut''. What's your theory on why that would happen here?

Correct, the action was geared toward being fun and special effect-y, like pretty much every MCU film (including the first Avengers) as opposed to being tense and having dread. If you watch it with your little T1/T2 checklist and pen in hand then you won't like it. If you watch it with a checklist as to what makes any given movie entertaining, then it becomes a heck of a lot of fun.

I understand being "put off" by inconsistencies between this film and earlier entries in the series. I'm still not sure if it's a reboot or not. Courtney say yes but guys like Clarke and Lee obviously approached it as if it was not. If you take it as a sequel of sorts then yes the characters' capabilities and power levels and things are different. But why does Captain America get a pass and not some super cyborg from the future.

jye you and I laugh at how Cap can all of a sudden take direct blasts from Ultron and even Iron Man right to the chest and just "walk it off" while immediately proceeding to beat those guys with his bare hands. Hell we joke about him taking Thanos alone with the rate that his strength escalates each movie. Because it's fun, not that serious, and we go with it.

Genisys is like that.

Good post. Although knowing myself, I may simply be incapable of giving a Terminator film a pass on certain things, always sort of wanting them to be 'more'.

Couple questions:

Who sent pops back in time to the lake house? That was left a mystery. Pops himself doesn't know and neither did T-John.

Pops had a smoking bazooka when carrying Sarah away, did he blow up the house? The T1000 was already in the boat when Sarah watched her house blow up.
I wondered about that. I'm sure you might slow a T-1000 down with a bazooka if you managed to hit him but I still wouldn't be walking away quite so casually after doing so as Pops did with Sarah in his arms

The T1000 that was at the lake was the same T1000 that tried to kill Reese? How did it not follow them from the dock all this time?
Yes it's the same T-1000 apparently. I think the idea is they managed to hide from him in all the intervening years, all the while knowing that they would have to come out of hiding in may 1984. They prepared their facility with the acid drums in the meantime, fully expecting him to trace them back there. There they could kill him. Why they didn't do so earlier - perhaps they couldn't afford to risk it until they had rescued Reese

My answers in bold text^

 

[Xerowolf]

Who sent pops back in time to the lake house? That was left a mystery. Pops himself doesn't know and neither did T-John.

Who could have though? John didn't and couldn't have... Reese didn't but maybe could in movie 2. Sarah could send him back in movie 2. I heard a trilogy is coming.

Pops had a smoking bazooka when carrying Sarah away, did he blow up the house? The T1000 was already in the boat when Sarah watched her house blow up.
I wondered about that. I'm sure you might slow a T-1000 down with a bazooka if you managed to hit him but I still wouldn't be walking away quite so casually after doing so as Pops did with Sarah in his arms

Exactly, it made me question Pops but since they spoiled T-John in the trailer it made it clear. If they got away with the T1000 not following them, then pops had to blow up and slow the T1000 with the bazooka.

The T1000 that was at the lake was the same T1000 that tried to kill Reese? How did it not follow them from the dock all this time?
Yes it's the same T-1000 apparently. I think the idea is they managed to hide from him in all the intervening years, all the while knowing that they would have to come out of hiding in may 1984. They prepared their facility with the acid drums in the meantime, fully expecting him to trace them back there. There they could kill him. Why they didn't do so earlier - perhaps they couldn't afford to risk it until they had rescued Reese


Ok, that makes sense now. The T1000 and pops both knew Reese would be there.

 

[Matt S]

She's cool, just don't touch her, shake her hand, ask any questions, keep your time with her less than 15 seconds and you will have fun.

Biehn was even more restrictive.

lol lord...........