Terminator Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

[j97e1]

Would be cool if HT Guardian Arnie had an exclusive Teddy bear.

 

[Khev]

a-dev I don't think Reese was "wrong" in T1 at all. I no longer think it's supposed to be connected to Genisys. I see it as a full reboot. T1 and T2 will never have "feeling" Terminators. But Genisys? Well, they pulled it off (IMO) so why not.

It's been a while since I've watched the first ASM but I remember people complaing that the first half was like a scene by scene recreation of Raimi's first film then it kind of shifts with all the Lizard stuff. I think that's what Genisys really is but that they did it more cleverly than ASM. An overlapping reboot of sorts.

 

[cmiller99]

Would be cool if HT Guardian Arnie had an exclusive Teddy bear.

It's the wrong figure to have the teddy bear, that would need to come with a 2017 Ahnuld with a different outfit and grey hair.

 

[a-dev]

a-dev I don't think Reese was "wrong" in T1 at all. I no longer think it's supposed to be connected to Genisys. I see it as a full reboot. T1 and T2 will never have "feeling" Terminators. But Genisys? Well, they pulled it off (IMO) so why not.

It's been a while since I've watched the first ASM but I remember people complaing that the first half was like a scene by scene recreation of Raimi's first film then it kind of shifts with all the Lizard stuff. I think that's what Genisys really is but that they did it more cleverly than ASM. An overlapping reboot of sorts.

I can't really wrap my head around that to be honest. It's almost in the same league as trying to decipher all the timelines.

If they wanted to reboot they shouldn't have brought Arnie back. His face automatically ties us back to the Cameron films and creates the very understandable expectation that it's a direct sequel to those films. Ergo certain things should match up as much as they feasibly can. *whips head around to glare at Jai Courtney*

And I'm not sure you can have it both ways - drawing upon the original 2 movies to inform one's excitement and emotional investment in Terminator Genisys while at the same time saying that they are not supposed to be tied together. Our excitement of seeing the T-800 stepping into the time displacement machine is owed to T1; any impact of John Connor and Kyle Reese's conversation before the storming of the facility is owed to T1; John's message to his mother that he asks Reese to recite is directly from T1; the feelings generated by seeing a T-800 that has actually developed love for Sarah Connor as a daughter has to be owed to T2 - since this film largely expects you to presume this love developed off screen - T2 showed you how the process might start so you can infer that the same thing happened here and so on.

 

[The Ween]

There was, but Mario Puzo died and Coppola didn't want to make the movie without him.

And I think that Jai Courtney would be a really bad choice for Sonny Playing a ****** wouldn't automatically make him right for the role. James Caan played Sonny with real energy and inner violence. I doubt Courtney could ever achieve something like that. It'd be another situation like this movie where he just doesn't feel like the Kyle Reese of T1.

Oh I know that. I was just saying that because of him "being a ******" and Sonny was one too. I would think Caan's son would be a better pick.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

He had a couple of decent emotions.

Data would be proud.

Still, at this point, Stephen Hawking has more range than Courtney.

 

[The Ween]

Oh, he's THAT ****** from that ****** series. Destined to be forgotten like The Warriors and Streets of Fire.

Even more hate swells now.

The Warriors! Heeeeey!

 

[DiFabio]

I just hate the idea of the T-800 having feelings. That's awful. "My Sarah" is groan worthy, especially when it doesn't even get destroyed!

They were programmed to fulfill their missions. Acting human and blending in with society is a good way to kill or protect your mission priority, that's one thing, but actually becoming human? **** that noise.

 

[Khev]

I can't really wrap my head around that to be honest. It's almost in the same league as trying to decipher all the timelines.

Remember when Man of Steel came out everyone wanted them to keep the Williams theme even though it was literally a full reboot? I kind of see Genisys that way. It *does* keep a lot of the original music (to a fault as we've already discussed) and Arnold is just another common theme. I don't know. It feels like a reboot to me (at least right now) but one that you're supposed to watch after seeing T1 and T2. Or something.

Either way I just like how it "is." Whatever "it" actually is.

 

[Khev]

I just hate the idea of the T-800 having feelings. That's awful. "My Sarah" is groan worthy, especially when it doesn't even get destroyed!

They were programmed to fulfill their missions. Acting human and blending in with society is a good way to kill or protect your mission priority, that's one thing, but actually becoming human? **** that noise.

If Pops can learn to feel, maybe you can too DiFabio.

Dun nun nun...NUN nun nunnnnn...dun nun nun...nun nun NUN nunnnnn.....

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I just hate the idea of the T-800 having feelings. That's awful. "My Sarah" is groan worthy, especially when it doesn't even get destroyed!

They were programmed to fulfill their missions. Acting human and blending in with society is a good way to kill or protect your mission priority, that's one thing, but actually becoming human? **** that noise.

I was hoping the T 800 would go full Short Circuit by the end of the film. Freeze frame and all

 

[Khev]

Even though I feel it was NOT SMART at all for Sarah to do I still feel like I'm nitpicking when I say that:

Spoiler

At the end of the movie when Pops breaks through the door with the T-1000 arm Sarah is ecstatic and immediately rushes to hug him. Wait a minute. You see someone who looks like a person you know but with a morphing liquid metal arm and you immediately assume that it is NOT a T-1000???? What??? "Oh that's definitely Pops even though I watched him die, he's probably just a hybrid or something that's never existed before." *hug*

I really hate to pick on that scene because to have her go all "prove who you are" would have dampened the moment but still, I kind of have to chuckle at how insane an assumption that was of her to make.

 

[DiFabio]

I honestly can't believe a T-800 is a T-1000, er, TX now. Never thought I'd live to see something as kooky as that on screen.

Seriously, most of these ideas sound like a 7 year old kid with some Terminator action figures. They got these radical ideas like "PEW, PEW, T-1000 JUST DRIPPED A PART OF HIMSELF INTO A T-800s HEAD, IT'S BACK ONLINE NOW" or "POPS FELL INTO A VAT OF T-1000 GOOP, IT HAS BLADES FOR HANDS NOW!".

Just crazy. That mentality is where the invincible 1 ton weighing T-800 that can smash through walls and fly through helicopter blades, I'm sure.

 

[Khev]

See I told you, it's the MCU version of Terminator. Now you get bit by a liquid metal spider and instantly get the powers of a T-1000. Pew! Pew!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Does that mean that the T 800 can turn into other people if he wants to? If so, maybe the reason they gave him those "powers" is so that different actors can play the role of the guardian, since Arnold is getting older and he's just a part timer from this point on.

 

[a-dev]

I just hate the idea of the T-800 having feelings. That's awful. "My Sarah" is groan worthy, especially when it doesn't even get destroyed!

They were programmed to fulfill their missions. Acting human and blending in with society is a good way to kill or protect your mission priority, that's one thing, but actually becoming human? **** that noise.

And I ****ing knew it. I'm sure I posted in this thread about a hypothetical line with the T-800 saying ''my Sarah''.

Remember when Man of Steel came out everyone wanted them to keep the Williams theme even though it was literally a full reboot? I kind of see Genisys that way. It *does* keep a lot of the original music (to a fault as we've already discussed) and Arnold is just another common theme. I don't know. It feels like a reboot to me (at least right now) but one that you're supposed to watch after seeing T1 and T2. Or something.

Either way I just like how it "is." Whatever "it" actually is.

''I was wondering, I mean, if you know, where 'it' came from''.....

See, this is different. It uses a lot more than just a piece of music and Arnie as a common factor. The whole T1 backstory is right here. It's only a reboot in the sense that it does like Star Trek did - it goes back to the past and changes something significant after which everything will now play out differently but if Khan Noonien Singh looked like Ricardo Montalban and acted the way he did prior to the influence of the time travel then he should still look like Ricardo Montalban and act the way he did afterwards *glares at Benedict Cumberbatch in STID* So this kind of in-universe reboot (that's what I'll call it) means you can do things differently but there nevertheless should be constants, things that don't get changed by time travel, particularly things that had already existed in a certain state before said time travel had its effect. Kyle Reese shouldn't suddenly be an entirely different character for one thing. The film makes it clear that this is the original timeline of events where Judgment Day is on August 29th 1997. So that's Michael Biehn's Kyle Reese. They should have cast someone more to his physical type and who was willing to act like Michael Biehn did in the role. Obviously they should have written the character accordingly. And I really feel they sabotaged some good potential by not doing so.

If Pops can learn to feel, maybe you can too DiFabio.

Dun nun nun...NUN nun nunnnnn...dun nun nun...nun nun NUN nunnnnn.....

 

[Kuzeh]

Holy cow!!
This movie was terrible... Against my better judgement I went ahead and saw it... Serves me right!!

 

[Eli26]

I'll especially see it now because of what Kuzeh said. Never trust the Kuz!

 

[DiFabio]

I still don't know why Skynet or his Dr. Who agent in 2029 is ****ing around with 1984 or 2017 or whatever.

Okay, so the resistance ended up not destroying the defense grid at Skynet's complex. Dr. Who agent guy killed off John's entire team, and turned John into a ****ing robot. Sounds like a victory to me? Skynet just killed all of the higher ups in the war and John ****ing Connor. Why does it have to mess around with the past if it's just going to trick everyone. BETTER yet, why the hell didn't Dr. Who, Skynet guy just kill everyone as they were prepping Reese? That way, Reese doesn't go back and everyone in the room dies.

In the Cameron movies, sending Terminators back is Skynet's last resort. In Genisys, I don't even know. Any time Skynet is given a face and humanity *cough* Salvation lady Skynet *cough* it really takes away from it being this master computer that's also a faceless sentient being. I always pictured Skynet as being like the ultimate HAL-9000. Not Tim Burton's **** toy or an annoying kid hologram or Dr. Who guy.

 

[snoop101]

I still don't know why Skynet or his Dr. Who agent in 2029 is ****ing around with 1984 or 2017 or whatever.

Okay, so the resistance ended up not destroying the defense grid at Skynet's complex. Dr. Who agent guy killed off John's entire team, and turned John into a ****ing robot. Sounds like a victory to me? Skynet just killed all of the higher ups in the war and John ****ing Connor. Why does it have to mess around with the past if it's just going to trick everyone. BETTER yet, why the hell didn't Dr. Who, Skynet guy just kill everyone as they were prepping Reese? That way, Reese doesn't go back and everyone in the room dies.

In the Cameron movies, sending Terminators back is Skynet's last resort. In Genisys, I don't even know. Any time Skynet is given a face and humanity *cough* Salvation lady Skynet *cough* it really takes away from it being this master computer that's also a faceless sentient being. I always pictured Skynet as being like the ultimate HAL-9000. Not Tim Burton's **** toy or an annoying kid hologram or Dr. Who guy.

John Connor had already won at that point though. The resistance destroyed Skynet. Therefore, Skynet in the form of "Matt Smith", decided to then corrupt John and send him back so he could help perfect Cyberdyne/Skynet and create more deadly versions of Terminators. Did you see how in 2017 they decided to just skip the T-800 and just go go straight to manufacturing T-1000's?

I wouldn't read too far into it, the entire series has more than enough plot holes and inconsistencies.