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Well I do not think drugs like cocaine, heroin, etc should be legal. And that is all I am going to say on that. :)

Interestingly, I played a game where I decided to lower the taxes on alcohol for the kingdom I ruled. All it did was make people drink more since it was cheaper and my village streets were full of people puking and passing out all over. I gave people too much credit in my game that they would drink moderately....that was a mistake. :lol
 
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It's not that difficult. There are clear signs and cops already drag people in if they suspect them of being under the influence of narcotics. They'd just take them down to the station, have a medic run a blood test and release the person if they check out clean.

You legalize it and put the age limit on it at 21. The taxes alone would more than fund the increase in law enforcement needed to police it.

like the money from legalized gambling has gone to the schools? :)

again...taking a Breathalyzer and drawing blood are 2 different things. I think it would be a scary world where any cop could pull u over for no reason and take a blood sample. that's a world i don't want to live in.

how do you tax it? do you sell it in grocery stores? or do you have special coke stores? and if it's like booze every state is different, jersey has blue laws..while here in virginia you can buy alcohol on sundays.

do you check ids? would it now make it easier for high school kids to get coke with a fake id compared to now? is that a good thing?

as screwed up as our country is right now, i'm not sure we could handle legalized cocaine.

and what would be the benefit from legalizing it? how many shootings here in the usa are there over cocaine? it wouldnt effect mexico at all. it would still be a corrupt government.
 
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like the money from legalized gambling has gone to the schools? :)

again...taking a Breathalyzer and drawing blood are 2 different things. I think it would be a scary world where any cop could pull u over for no reason and take a blood sample. that's a world i don't want to live in.

how do you tax it? do you sell it in grocery stores? or do you have special coke stores? and if it's like booze every state is different, jersey has blue laws..while here in virginia you can buy alcohol on sundays.

do you check ids? would it now make it easier for high school kids to get coke with a fake id compared to now? is that a good thing?

as screwed up as our country is right now, i'm not sure we could handle legalized cocaine.

and what would be the benefit from legalizing it? how many shootings here in the usa are there over cocaine? it wouldnt effect mexico at all. it would still be a corrupt government.

The thing you're not realizing though is whether or not it's illegal, like guns, those who want them can and will get them. The only difference is, there'll be less crime involved with the trafficking of them and a surplus of cash for the government to tap so they don't have to continually shake us down every time there's a budget crisis. It's a win-win.

And saying it wouldn't affect Mexico is extremely naive. It's not just cocaine, but there's a billion dollar pot industry there as well. Legalize it, regulate it and you lower the illegal demand for it. It effectively sends the bad element packing and looking for another means of work, OR, puts them to work legitimately negating a need for violence. The U.S. does this all the time in other countries.
 
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The thing you're not realizing though is whether or not it's illegal, like guns, those who want them can and will get them. The only difference is, there'll be less crime involved with the trafficking of them and a surplus of cash for the government to tap so they don't have to continually shake us down every time there's a budget crisis. It's a win-win.

And saying it wouldn't affect Mexico is extremely naive. It's not just cocaine, but there's a billion dollar pot industry there as well. Legalize it, regulate it and you lower the illegal demand for it. It effectively sends the bad element packing and looking for another means of work, OR, puts them to work legitimately negating a need for violence. The U.S. does this all the time in other countries.

mexico is a corrupt nation...if it's not coke it'll be something else.

there might be less crime but what kind of country do we become legalizing it? i think making it legal will turn more people onto it which is bad...coke is one of the most addictive drugs out there. talk to anyone who is rehab and they will tell you horror stories about coke.

and what's the next step? legalize heroin? people get killed over that as well. and it's very lucrative in Afghanistan. people get killed here buying and dealing it...so do we make every single drug legal? i think that's the easy way out as a country...it'll make things worse.

we just need tougher drug laws and border enforcement. if it doesn't come into the country it can't be sold. if we started treating these drugs as a dirty bomb maybe we'd do a better job keeping them out. making them legal is the easy solution...we should do better than that.
 
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mexico is a corrupt nation...if it's not coke it'll be something else.

there might be less crime but what kind of country do we become legalizing it? i think making it legal will turn more people onto it which is bad...coke is one of the most addictive drugs out there. talk to anyone who is rehab and they will tell you horror stories about coke.

and what's the next step? legalize heroin? people get killed over that as well. and it's very lucrative in Afghanistan. people get killed here buying and dealing it...so do we make every single drug legal? i think that's the easy way out as a country...it'll make things worse.

we just need tougher drug laws and border enforcement. if it doesn't come into the country it can't be sold. if we started treating these drugs as a dirty bomb maybe we'd do a better job keeping them out. making them legal is the easy solution...we should do better than that.

Again, you're assuming all this violence is over cocaine. Don't over look the weed aspect. When's the last time you saw a pothead hold up a convenience store to pay for his dope? :lol
 
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Again, you're assuming all this violence is over cocaine. Don't over look the weed aspect. When's the last time you saw a pothead hold up a convenience store to pay for his dope? :lol

But weed is almost completely legal in this country. And in the states where it's illegal it's much easier and safer to get than coke. Everyone knows someone who can get weed...getting coke is harder and riskier. heroin is even worse. weed is a joke now a days..when i was in college
15 years ago 5 of my suite mates sold it...everyone sold it. now if you wanted coke you had to drive into South East DC....pretty scary for white suburban kids.
 
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But weed is almost completely legal in this country. And in the states where it's illegal it's much easier and safer to get than coke. Everyone knows someone who can get weed...getting coke is harder and riskier. heroin is even worse. weed is a joke now a days..when i was in college
15 years ago 5 of my suite mates sold it...everyone sold it. now if you wanted coke you had to drive into South East DC....pretty scary for white suburban kids.

What alternate dimension's USA are you living in? You get a citation for less than an ounce and anything more you go to jail for. Whether it's common or not, it's to blame (more than heroin) for most of the violence going on near the border, not cocaine.
 
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What alternate dimension's USA are you living in? You get a citation for less than an ounce and anything more you go to jail for. Whether it's common or not, it's to blame (more than heroin) for most of the violence going on near the border, not cocaine.

I was talking more about the procurement as opposed to the penalty of weed. yes you can get busted for weed...but you also get busted for coke as well. smuggling cocaine is just as dangerous as weed. what's the drug most of these cartels are shipping to the usa? cocaine.

"The expansion of Mexico's drug trade -- which rakes in an estimated $40 billion per year -- can also fan internal rivalries and divisions. Poppy cultivation in Mexico jumped 500 percent between 2003 and 2009 while marijuana growing tripled, the U.S. government says."
 
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I was talking more about the procurement as opposed to the penalty of weed. yes you can get busted for weed...but you also get busted for coke as well. smuggling cocaine is just as dangerous as weed. what's the drug most of these cartels are shipping to the usa? cocaine.

"The expansion of Mexico's drug trade -- which rakes in an estimated $40 billion per year -- can also fan internal rivalries and divisions. Poppy cultivation in Mexico jumped 500 percent between 2003 and 2009 while marijuana growing tripled, the U.S. government says."

Thanks for proving my point. :wink1:
 
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yes but heroin jumped 500 percent. thats a lot more than 3 times. my macbook battery is dying...have to continue this discussion in the am.

Poppy cultivation might've jumped 500%, but from what? Cannabis is and will always be considerably more popular than heroine.
 
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again...taking a Breathalyzer and drawing blood are 2 different things. I think it would be a scary world where any cop could pull u over for no reason and take a blood sample. that's a world i don't want to live in.

as screwed up as our country is right now, i'm not sure we could handle legalized cocaine. .

Yeah l agree, l dont want some cop pulling me over at night and telling me to sit on his bumper while he pulls a blood sample. The cop would have to carry a big bag of needles getting in the way of his other tools he needs. Just wait till you get the ***** lazy cops (which there are many) and they start reusing needles and start spreading disease.

Yes l also think the US would fall and end up a drug addicted country.

Again, you're assuming all this violence is over cocaine. Don't over look the weed aspect. When's the last time you saw a pothead hold up a convenience store to pay for his dope? :lol

Don't kid yourself, lots of crime and murder is over Pot. I have watched many episodes of "The First 48" and simple pot deals end with someone dead. l have read many of these stories in my local paper of beatings and someone getting shot or stabbed over pot deals. When it comes to selling drugs it's not always about what kind of drug, but the ammount of money, such as buying only pot, but in large amounts of money and that can and will lead to death and violence. When dealing with more hard drugs the people who sell them are more shady and protective and jumpy, that will also lead to violence.

It's not that difficult. There are clear signs and cops already drag people in if they suspect them of being under the influence of narcotics. They'd just take them down to the station, have a medic run a blood test and release the person if they check out clean.

You always make everything sound so easy when it's not. So if police suspect you are on drugs they will bring you to the station for a blood test. Well l bet in a city the station would be packed with people hauled there for blood tests every night. The entire stations would always be packed with people waiting for their blood test. Tests then would take a while to come back, not just the same night, they would have to let the people go before they get their results or keep them over night when they have no evidence yet to keep them there, which is violating their rights. So no it will be difficult, you have to look at the big picture.


And saying it wouldn't affect Mexico is extremely naive. It's not just cocaine, but there's a billion dollar pot industry there as well. Legalize it, regulate it and you lower the illegal demand for it. It effectively sends the bad element packing and looking for another means of work, OR, puts them to work legitimately negating a need for violence. The U.S. does this all the time in other countries.

Mexico is full of these crazy people. if the US legalized coke and heroin where would the government get it. They would turn to these people in Mexico to legaly supply it. This will lead to violence. There are many drug cartels fighting for full control and their turfs. So if the US would go to one group and say do this for us, the other group would fight and kill them so they could get hired by the government to supply the legal drugs.

Or the US could create an organization were US government group get coca plants and makes it in the US so not to hire the bad guys in Mexico, but to get the coca plants we would have to step on their turfs to get it because they control those places and they will fight us because they will still make and sell cocaine to other countries. They will not just let us take their plants. So if the US make coke Legal dosn't mean the cartels in Mexico will stop, they will sell to other countries, unless the world legalizes it.

mexico is a corrupt nation...if it' not coke it'll be something else.

there might be less crime but what kind of country do we become legalizing it? i think making it legal will turn more people onto it which is bad...coke is one of the most addictive drugs out there. talk to anyone who is rehab and they will tell you horror stories about coke.

and what's the next step? legalize heroin? people get killed over that as well. and it's very lucrative in Afghanistan. people get killed here buying and dealing it...so do we make every single drug legal? i think that's the easy way out as a country...it'll make things worse.

we just need tougher drug laws and border enforcement. if it doesn't come into the country it can't be sold. if we started treating these drugs as a dirty bomb maybe we'd do a better job keeping them out. making them legal is the easy solution...we should do better than that.

l agree with all this. If the US would make Cocaine legal tommorow then everythiing would have to be made legal, Heroin, prostitution, kids having guns in school to protect themselves from other crazed school gunmen and god know what else.

Poppy cultivation might've jumped 500%, but from what? Cannabis is and will always be considerably more popular than heroine.

Poppy production has skyrocketed because of the war in Afghanistan. 90% of the world Heroin comes from Afghanistan. The taliban are paying Afghan farmers to grow the crops and selling the poppies to fuels there war against us. Nato soldiers can't do anything about those fields either. If we burn them the farmers become hostel and wage Jihad on us because we burned their lively hood, so it is lose lose right now with poppy and heroin production in the world right now.
 
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They need to send someone down there to clean up that country...

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HAHAHA!:rotfl
 
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I don't think it's unreasonable to think that if drugs were legalized here that they might be imported from Mexico (or other countries). Think of the extra money the govt could make with tariffs. :dunno

Anyway, I highly, highly doubt the govt will ever legalize any drug besides pot.
 
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This thread leads me to believe that not many people know much about the global drug trade and how Mexico fits into it. But they sure like to pretend they do :lol
 
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You know what is a sweet movie about mexican drug cartels is "A Man Apart". That is a good movie.

Anyway l would never mess with a Mexican drug cartel member. Unlike American gangsters when they say "l will never be taken alive" they mean it. They go up against the cops and go out Scaface final scene style.:lecture
 
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You know what is a sweet movie about mexican drug cartels is "A Man Apart". That is a good movie.

Anyway l would never mess with a Mexican drug cartel member. Unlike American gangsters when they say "l will never be taken alive" they mean it. They go up against the cops and go out Scaface final scene style.:lecture

Did you see "Traffic?"
 
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