The 3rd and Final Presidential Debate! Lions and Tigers and Ayers? OH MY!

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Exactly. And exactly the kind of man we don't need in the oval office. I'm tired of our president being the butt of all jokes the last 8 years. He should be well respected and admired. If McCain gets in the same jokes would ensue about his mannerisms, speeches, and his age of course.

I feel Obama has this air about him, charisma, energy, integrity, and confidence, that McCain oh so lacks. McCain just seems like an all too content smug little rat, smirking with comtempt in the corner with those yellow teeth and beady eyes.

Are we talking about Bush or Clinton?
 
you know the black dude's gonna win...How can some of you vote for the old fart...I've Watch the debate yesterday from my great Canadian home....I wouldnt want to be represented by that old caca.

Yeah, 13 years of "Johnny Crouton" was so much better....:lol
 
Separated at Birth ???

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Obama has, in my eyes, and the eyes of almost all the polling, swept the presidential debates 3-0. Now, with that said, this was not his best. At times he fumbled. At times he came off as arrogant, but his calm and cool attitude made him look favorable to McCain's old, tired, and mean attitude. I don't think McCain can neccessarily avoid looking angry, but it affects voter opinion nonetheless. Obama handled topics such as Ayers, healthcare, and even ACORN very well, while McCain stumbled on Roe v. Wade and Palin. McCain needed to have a blow-out win, but instead he lost a 4-3 game.

One thing is for sure, Obama's debating skills have improved exponentially over the course of the year. This debate could have just clinched it for Obama...
 
Exactly. And exactly the kind of man we don't need in the oval office. I'm tired of our president being the butt of all jokes the last 8 years. He should be well respected and admired. If McCain gets in the same jokes would ensue about his mannerisms, speeches, and his age of course.

I feel Obama has this air about him, charisma, energy, integrity, and confidence, that McCain oh so lacks. McCain just seems like an all too content smug little rat, smirking with comtempt in the corner with those yellow teeth and beady eyes.

I agree on the words I bolded, but behind all that he is very shady. He does have that image of a president that america wants to see, but I don't believe he got what it takes to be one. You can say all the BS to america but his history does not show what he stands for. For example if I don't know crap about cars and Obama was trying to sell me a Kia and McCain was trying to sell me a Lexus and cash does not matter. I would hands down pick up the Kia because I believe Obama would have a better sales pitch. But after buying it I would be pissed. I should of done my homework before commiting the purchase. Just my $0.02
 
The moment I sort of scratched my head over was when McCain suggested that those who served in the military should be able to become teachers without any neccessary exams. I love and respect our soldiers, but are all of them qualified to teach? I am sure a lot of them are. I am all for making the number of hoops they must jump through fewer, but to eliminate any sort of test for any group of people in society is a bad idea I think. Any thoughts?
 
It was a good debate for once, McCain and Obama got to duke it out a bit... which was nice. I do think that McCain seemed a bit too angry and acted out a bit too much, but Obama was also vague on a few things and could have said more than he did. I think he is playing it safe at this point...

One thing I don't like about McCain's spending freeze... It begs the question of what would happen to aid programs across the US? Medicaid? Welfare? Food Stamps? GI Bill? Grants for students...etc.

If it does include those things, that's going to screw a lot of people over... If it includes it, anyway...
 
The moment I sort of scratched my head over was when McCain suggested that those who served in the military should be able to become teachers without any neccessary exams. I love and respect our soldiers, but are all of them qualified to teach? I am all for making the number of hoops they must jump through fewer, but to eliminate any sort of test is a bad idea I think. Any thoughts?

Troops to teachers is a program that helps any E5 who has served over 4 years the ability to take a few free courses and get right into teaching. It's a decent program, but with the way it's set up... you would have to have served two contracted terms.

Which means that you have learned to teach and command young people under your tutelage, in some way or another. I know in the Navy that most E5 and above have been shop supervisors or something of that nature. Hell, I was an E4 and was shift supervisor for a year and a half.

I wanted to do Troops to Teachers, but didn't qualify.

I don't think that ALL who serve deserve to be teachers, but for those who have and wish to be... if you can pass a test saying you have the knowledge, you should be able to teach. But SOME sort of test is needed.

Some of the guys I served with were flat out idiots, sad to say. :lol
 
Troops to teachers is a program that helps any E5 who has served over 4 years the ability to take a few free courses and get right into teaching. It's a decent program, but with the way it's set up... you would have to have served two contracted terms.

Which means that you have learned to teach and command young people under your tutelage, in some way or another. I know in the Navy that most E5 and above have been shop supervisors or something of that nature. Hell, I was an E4 and was shift supervisor for a year and a half.

I wanted to do Troops to Teachers, but didn't qualify.

I don't think that ALL who serve deserve to be teachers, but for those who have and wish to be... if you can pass a test saying you have the knowledge, you should be able to teach. But SOME sort of test is needed.

Some of the guys I served with were flat out idiots, sad to say. :lol

Yea I knew about Troops to Teachers. It seems like a good program because it focuses on helping troops get into the field of teaching when they come home. This is not the program I heard from McCain last night though. I agree, we need tests. Not having them will only make the entire process slower in the long run.
 
Yea I knew about Troops to Teachers. It seems like a good program because it focuses on helping troops get into the field of teaching when they come home. This is not the program I heard from McCain last night though.

Yeah, it seems like it was an empty promise... I don't think it can be said that ALL troops can be effective teachers. They have leadership skills and such, but tests are needed to prove that you have a working knowledge of what it is you will be teaching.

If we allowed anyone who wanted to teach to do so, it would lead to a nationwide epidemic of idiocy. :lol
 
wait wait wait.....you mean Democrats think Obama won and Republicans think McCain won? This is flat out shocking.

Why do people even argue politics? Most people are SO partisan that they will never agree with or even listen to someone else full thought before already forming an argument response.

:lecture Been saying that for weeks on here.
 
Yeah, it seems like it was an empty promise... I don't think it can be said that ALL troops can be effective teachers. They have leadership skills and such, but tests are needed to prove that you have a working knowledge of what it is you will be teaching.

If we allowed anyone who wanted to teach to do so, it would lead to a nationwide epidemic of idiocy. :lol

Trust me, if McCain had not said "all" I wouldn't be discussing it. Our teachers, whomever they are, need to be tested for their abilities. And to clarify my point this has nothing to do with intelligence, as I have found the most intelligent people make the most horrible teachers.

:lol and you're right about letting ANYONE teach without any tests, it would definitely make the entire education process even slower as those unable would need to be weeded out and taught the neccessary skills.
 
Trust me, if McCain had not said "all" I wouldn't be discussing it. Our teachers, whomever they are, need to be tested for their abilities. And to clarify my point this has nothing to do with intelligence, as I have found the most intelligent people make the most horrible teachers.

Intelligence is certainly not the only prerequisite. One must be able to express their thoughts in such a way that the learning STICKS to those receiving it. It has to have a level of fun about it, or else they will just pass the class and move on.
 
Intelligence is certainly not the only prerequisite. One must be able to express their thoughts in such a way that the learning STICKS to those receiving it. It has to have a level of fun about it, or else they will just pass the class and move on.

Exactly. I really have a lot of respect for teachers, as I have been an English tutor for 8 years. Teaching, and I do not mean lecturing, but actually connecting with your students and importing knowledge, requires so many skills that I think people forget. This is why I think we must give those excellent teachers the pay raises they deserve.
 
I also want to point out that in no way are teachers ready to be soldiers, and vice versa. I read this on another forum: "Being a soldier prepares you for teaching, as much as teaching prepares you to be a soldier."
 
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