The Amazing Spider Man 2 (2014)

[bransen2099]

Saw this movie today, can only wonder what the writers were thinking when they made this. Would love to see this with the subplot about his parents taken out. Saw no reason for it at all.

Agreed, that and Goblin, literally just in there for:

Spoiler

Death of Gwen Stacy

It could've been handled better.

 

[Buttmunch]

Saw this movie today, can only wonder what the writers were thinking when they made this. Would love to see this with the subplot about his parents taken out. Saw no reason for it at all.

Subplot? It was pretty much the only plot. Without it, it was just a few random events

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

The main plot was Peter and Gwen not knowing where to go with their relationship with her dad's death looming over them.

Sub-plots are Peter finding out about his dad, Harry Osborn searching for a cure for his illness & Max Dillons personal issues with society

 

[chewblacca]

The whole thing with his parents made the spider bite not so random. If I understand it correctly, the venom from the spiders that bit peter in the first film made him Spider-man because of his blood line? If the same spiders had bitten an ordinary person it would have created the green goblin?

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Yeah, people have mentioned how they don't like that he was special and not just randomly blessed

 

[guy66657]

That's one reason why I'm not a fan of this franchise.

 

[chewblacca]

That's what was so fun about spidey, a random smart guy has the luck, or misfortune to get bitten by a radioactive spider and along with his smarts becomes one of the greatest superheroes. That's the spidey I want!

 

[Dark_Knight_89]

Still, he didn't HAVE to go to Oscorp, he didn't HAVE to go visit the Spider room, he didn't HAVE to play with the controls, the Spider didn't HAVE to bite him...

He could have gone to Oscorp and not visited the Spider room, or he could've gone to Oscorp on a day when the Spiders weren't there... it's still random/luck/fantastical

 

[chewblacca]

Yeah, but if he didn't have that special blood he would of turned into a mad crazy person.

 

[guy66657]

Yeah, but if he didn't have that special blood he would of turned into a mad crazy person.

In that universe, yes. What I also like about Spider-Man is that it could have happened to anyone. Flash, Harry, a random scientist. It just happened to fall onto Peter on a crazy random happenstance and the whole special blood thing kinda just kills the origin for me in this new franchise. But good thing it's a different universe, right?

 

[Dark_Knight_89]

Yeah, but if he didn't have that special blood he would of turned into a mad crazy person.

True. However, using it as a critique against the film just feels like a cop out for the people who don't like this movie simply because they didn't want this series to exist in the first place.

The Webb series does not replace the Raimi Trilogy. You still have that series. Or better yet, enjoy both?

 

[Silrian]

Agreed, that and Goblin, literally just in there for:

Spoiler

Death of Gwen Stacy

It could've been handled better.

That still is a lot more reason to be in there than either Electro or Rhino though.

The whole parent-oscorp thing ruins the entire plot of both ASM1 and 2. It's really sad because between those two films, there could've easily been the one best spider-man film so far.

If you fuse ASM1 and 2 throw away the parent thing, open the film with him being bitten, put in the Goblin and the Lizard as a guy that Harry (or Norman) tries to push into making a healing serum for himself because his dad is constantly ****ing him up with dying (more scenes between Norman and Harry damnit). Then the Lizard would've somewhat had the role Electro had in this film, but smaller, because he needs less of an origin - he's simply a doctor being mistreated (non nonsense 'whole city becomes lizard' BS. Just a good nature Connors being misused). Lizard as a sidevillain to have a little bit more action except just with the Goblin and to tie the thing into Oscorp and the reason Harry becomes the Goblin (maybe Norman actually tests the serum out on his own son!?). Maybe this time it's the Lizard that kills Ben for example and Peter realises he should use his powers against enemies like this.

I dunno, either way, if you fuse ASM1 and 2, keep Lizard and Goblin as the two enemies (in more traditional designs), do away with the parent thing and just focus on Peter dealing with Gwen, Harry and Norman and Ben dying (maybe in a flashback if you wanna start the film with spider-man already existing, like asm2 begins), have Goblin and Lizard as the two villains, you'd have had the best spider-man film to date I'd say.

But the parent subplot, Electro (and the tonal issues he mostly is the cause of) are all completely unnecessary to me.

 

[lerath666]

Considering garfield is done after his contract expires, are we expecting another reboot at that point, or do you think they're gonna "bond" the films?

Also, this is a good read. some good ideas in here.Including how to handle garfield leaving. https://www.escapistmagazine.com/ar...st&utm_medium=index_carousel&utm_campaign=all

 

[chewblacca]

I wish Sony would let it go and let the movie rights go back into Marvel's hands. Imagine an Avengers movie where Spidey appears? That will be like printing your own money.

 

[Deckard]

I guess you never saw the article where Marvel Studios clearly stated they don't want Spiderman back right now and that he would in no way fit into their current plans or Avengers movies.

You would get no Spiderman until 2020, post Phase 3, w/o RDJ or Chris Evans, at which point what you would also get is another reboot.

They already have more characters than they can handle. How's that Dare Devil movie coming? Oh right they had to just sandwhich him into a tv show with 6 other characters. But you can always look forward to those Black Panther and Dr. Strange movies that aren't coming, right....

Plus let's not forget IM3, Thor TDW, and Agents of Shield are just masterpieces.

 

[Silrian]

Really curious to see that Daredevil show, they say it's one movie split into 13 parts. Really, really curious for that. Daredevil is imo a perfect character for this format.

Also gonna be the first major marvel character reverted back to MS. If that show is a massive hit, expect the 'spider-man needs to return to Marvel' crowd to go berserk.

 

[Deckard]

If it's anything like AoS, I wouldn't hold my breath. Couple that with being on Netflix and you automatically have a smaller audience(everyone with a tv gets ABC) than AoS with no lead-in.

And don't forget, every time they add a new property out there, it's gotta be considered by almost every other project you have going. Otherwise you end up with IM3 again where the President of America is literally seconds from execution on live television and Captain America and Shield don't care even a tiny bit.

 

[chewblacca]

So what will Sony do when Garfield walks away? Just change peter, and MJ and in luxe the villain of the week? I just hope this does not follow Burton's batman with a new face every movie.

 

[Deckard]

He's contracted to ASM3. They could and if things go well, very likely will, renew his contract for more movies. It's not like they'd have to throw RDJ money at him.

 

[lerath666]

If it's anything like AoS, I wouldn't hold my breath. Couple that with being on Netflix and you automatically have a smaller audience(everyone with a tv gets ABC) than AoS with no lead-in.

And don't forget, every time they add a new property out there, it's gotta be considered by almost every other project you have going. Otherwise you end up with IM3 again where the President of America is literally seconds from execution on live television and Captain America and Shield don't care even a tiny bit.

Right. Not like netflix knows how to make a good original series that gets any sort of critical acclaim. Do you remember that garbage show they made... what was it, House of cards? nobody liked that, right?

Agents of shield is hurt by the "dumbing down" that ABC seems to be doing to it. the episodes where they let the comicbookiness shine through are some of the strongest ones. Embrace it being a world of comic book heroes, the shouw would be better.
Oh.. wait, they did exactly that near the end of the first season, and it's helped so much they got greenlit for a second season.


Scarcasam aside, spidey NEEDS to go to bed for a while. no Sony or Marvel studios spiderman till 2020? Sounds like a GREAT idea. < is essentialy what son'ys doing to spidey, and is also what shoehorning him into the current MCU RIGHT NOW would be. Let the avengers and current heroes shine a bit longer, and establish the world so that MCU Spidey can be "born" into a world where there are already other heroes for him to look up to. Peter parker as a normal human kid in the comics ( Ultimate universe) saw the avengers as HIS heroes, and then that he gets to BE one becomes a big deal to him. it becomes a self-identifier for younger, Kid-fans of the films.