The Amazing Spider Man 2 (2014)

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Completely agree Niltusk, the lack of JJJ in this stupefies me. They had everything going to make a 'day in the life of spider-man' film with asm1, put ALL familiar stuff in there, use some flashbacks to give the essentials of spider-man's origin to attach it to what he goes through in present day, then keep the gwen/peter dynamic, which is easily the best thing in this reboot.

Like, I don't get how filmmakers confuse origins with character development so much. The 90s TAS barely had any origin retelling, but it had a truckload of character development all the time. This property was in the perfect place to do that, and instead they reversed everything and acted as if this was the first spider-man film ever made. It's so dumb when you take a step back and tactically look at it.

Everyone knows who Spidey is, he's a nerd who visits Oscorp and geeks out and gets bitten for it. DONE. The way spider-man swings into action in ASM2, the real opening of the film, that should've been the literal opening of ASM1. Just BOOM, throw him on that screen, literally ffs.

Ugh, I swear to god I'm still inclined to want to make a fan-edit of these two films into one film, but I'm afraid the costume change is going to render that impossible. Maybe I can manage to make it seem like the asm1 costume is his back up costume, or a costume he makes specially to fight the lizard (it looks a bit more sturdy). I already cut the star wars prequels into one big film as a hobby project over the past years, I might take this on for real.
 
Have you played the ASM2 game. I read some of the story. Its sort of like batman begins. Spiderman loses his uncle and Kraven comes in and says that spiderman has to be ruthless to catch him. He even considers him a pupil. He sort of takes spidey under his wing. Its actually kinda freaking cool and would of made for a great first movie imo.

Id love to see a Spidey movie with Kraven, no superpowers, just him, his weapons and wits against Spiderman.
 
Nice rant, jye4ever.

Not sure how to fix it. I enjoyed ASM2, but I recognize that audiences may be getting bored...I think you nailed it with the "samey-ness" comment.

It's too bad that they make every single villain find out that Parker is Spider-Man, because I think his identity could have been used to make a unique villain. That's what made Venom such an interesting villain to me early on (thinking about ASM 315-317, one of my favorite arcs ever)...Brock knew everything about Peter because the symbiote had his memories.

They need to somehow come up with a unique villain. Vulture, Rhino, Electro, Sandman etc are all fairly derivative.

With the right story, I think maybe Mysterio could be used pretty effectively...playing some serious mind games with Peter.

Neither Electro nor Rhino know Spider-Man's identity
 
Wow. Is this the first movie where the main villain (electro) gets defeated without knowing the identity of spiderman? Hold on.

Spiderman 1- GG found out.

2- Ock found out

3- venom,sandman and harry knew

ASM-lizard found out

ASM2-only harry finds out while electro and rhino dont know. Mark that down in the history books.
 
Looks like Sony is pretty happy with how the franchise is performing, Andrew just got offered to play Spider-man until 2020, and Sony said the role is his for as long as he wants it. Also he's contractually obligated to appear as Spider-Man in at least one more film after ASM3


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I think up until 2020 is enough but no more... Andrew Garfiled will be about 37 by that point and I'm unsure if he'll be able to continue to portray a character that is supposed be in his mid/late twenties.
 
Looks like Sony is pretty happy with how the franchise is performing, Andrew just got offered to play Spider-man until 2020, and Sony said the role is his for as long as he wants it. Also he's contractually obligated to appear as Spider-Man in at least one more film after ASM3


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:yess:
 
If you get Garfield's personal trainer, health instructor and dietician and you'll be in good shape.
 
What an article.

P.S. DiFabio was right, read on:


It's easy to look at the $630 million earned globally by The Amazing Spider-Man 2 and assume it's doing pretty well. I mean, that's a lot of money. It's hard to deny that six hundred million dollars is an awful lot of money, and they still have some money left to make. The film will probably end up slightly north of $700 million global, with a domestic take right around $200 million. It's not impossible that the film makes less than $200 million domestic, but I imagine Sony will do what Warner Bros did with Superman Returns back in the day and basically will it over that line by keeping it in theaters forever. Maybe they'll do what Paramount does and rerelease the film with added footage (enough was cut from the movie) or a tease or something to eke out the remaining dollars needed to hit that arbitrary line.


Here's the reality: anything under $200 million domestic is embarrassing, and even slightly over $200 million is kind of a black eye. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 continues the steady, steady decline in domestic box office for the Spider-Man series, with none of the films ever coming close to the 2002 orginal's enormous box office. That was a movie that set records, that helped change the definitions of blockbuster business, and set a bar that seems impossible for the franchise to clear. Here's how they've all done, domestic:


Spider-Man $403.7m


Spider-Man 2 $373.5m


Spider-Man 3 $336.5m


The Amazing Spider-Man $262m


The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (to date) $172m


It's almost guaranteed that ASM2 will come in fifty to sixty million bucks lower than the reboot, which was already seventy million bucks off the last film - despite being in 3D and despite promising a change from that disliked entry. If this arc holds up we're looking at an Amazing Spider-Man 3 that earns maybe $150 million, which is absolutely terrible.


The global box office is harder to track across all five films; the global marketplace has exploded in the 12 years since the first movie was released. What we can do is see that the reboot made $752 million globally, and that Sony was feeling so confident in this new film that they in-house projected it to reach one billion dollars, that new global magic supernumber. I remember when a movie making $100 million domestic was a big deal - now that's an opening weekend! One billion bucks is where it is when it comes to these mega-franchises.


The Amazing Spider-Man 2 will not make one billion dollars.


I don't like writing about box office for a few reasons. One is that I hate boiling all this art down to some horrible commerce ********. But let's be real - these blockbuster movies are commerce into which, hopefully, some art is smuggled. That's why I tend to get really excited about a movie like Godzilla that is just wonderfully made, because it would have been easy to just churn it out and count the money. But the other reason I don't like writing about box office is that nobody really understands it. Box office is way more complicated than it looks, and there's a cabal of number wizards deep inside the studio basement who are chanting around an eldritch dollar sign and they're the only guys who really see the whole picture.


Even figuring out what a movie needs to make to be successful is hard; there are theater splits and marketing partners and prints and advertising costs and ancillary revenue streams - there's a lot of stuff that happens that we don't know about, a lot of numbers that get juggled to keep it all obscure from people whose contracts include a piece of the profit. What we can go by - and what counts for more than you think - is the perception.


That story I linked, about Sony wanting to make a billion bucks on The Amazing Spider-Man 2, that's a weird story because everybody wants to make a billion bucks. Either Sony leaked that to show their confidence in the film or someone else leaked it to make them look bad because it was becoming apparent from tracking that they weren't going to hit that number. The important thing to know is that Sony wanted to make a billion dollars with The Amazing Spider-Man 2, everybody heard that was what they wanted, and they're not going to get it. The other important thing is to look at the trend of box office and see how it is sketching out a graph that is headed down and you understand what Sony's executives are thinking right now:


"How do we fix this?"


This is supposed to be the part where I jump in and have my nerdy answers, but the reality is that I just don't know. I look at these numbers and I begin to think that maybe the story being told is that the public isn't that wildly interested in seeing Spider-Man on screen. His adventures, by their nature, have a bit of samey-ness to them. This doesn't bode well for Sony's plan to spin off a whole bunch of franchises from old Web-head.


They're not going to get rid of Marc Webb, and I don't think they should. They bought him out of his Fox contract so he could be their Spider-godfather (that's why there was an X-Men: Days of Future Past teaser in the credits of The Amazing Spider-Man 2) and he's a fine director. He just keeps having these godawful scripts.


They're not going to get rid of Andrew Garfield, that's for sure. He's the best part of this new series - well, except for Emma Stone, but they killed her off.


They're not going to reboot again because Jesus Christ, how horrible would that be?


I think they're going to back off the expanded universe idea. There's barely an appetite for Spider-Man, so what interest is there in his villains? I want only the best for Drew Goddard, but I wouldn't be surprised to find that Sinister Six, previously scheduled to shoot in January, sort of fades away. Sony needs to focus on The Amazing Spider-Man 3 first, and any good ideas that could have gone into a Sinister Six movie should get folded into the third film. In fact it seems absolutely bizarre to me that there was going to be a Sinister Six before The Amazing Spider-Man 3, considering what a ****** job The Amazing Spider-Man 2 did setting them up.


They're likely going to dip into the most popular villain well again. Will they repeat the sins of the Sam Raimi era and throw Venom into The Amazing Spider-Man 3? This is just visionless enough a franchise for me to believe it. Perhaps they'll go into the Clone Saga, which would allow them to bring Emma Stone back. It's already obvious that killing off Gwen Stacy at this point in the series was a mistake (not just in terms of severing the chemistry she has with Garfield but in terms of setting up the death of a Stacy as the cheap plot device they go to in each film. People are joking about which remaining Stacy family members die in the next entry).


What they won't do is find a good script. Every element is in place in the Amazing Spider-Man movies except for the scripts. These have been bad films from a basic structural place; they're using the best construction materials but are following ****** blue prints. I truly believe that if Webb and his team cracked a great script they could reverse the Spider-Man trend.


Or maybe that won't be enough. Maybe it really is simply Spider-Man's fault. Maybe swinging through the city five times was enough for audiences - they've seen it already.


My advice? Scale it back. Stop making these movies for $250 million each. Tell a street-level story that sheds a lot of light on Peter Parker, not his dad or Norman Osborn or anything like that. Have Spidey up against the Sin Eater or in the middle of a gang war (you can even keep Osborn in the picture by having OsCorp tech getting into gang hands). Tell a story about how hard it is for Peter Parker to juggle life as Pete and life as Spidey, something these new films has totally ignored. Bring back the old Parker luck, have Pete be broke, have Aunt May be sick, have J Jonah Jameson turn the city against him (use the death of Gwen as a catalyst). Definitely drop all the dad stuff - that's been wrapped up enough to ignore it from here on out.


Most importantly, restore to Spider-Man his true reason for being: the understanding that with great power comes great responsibility. That's why Spider-Man is a hero, not because he inspires people as The Amazing Spider-Man 2 wrongly gets it, but because he knows he has a responsibility to the world. His powers make Peter Parker not a superman but a servant of the people, a truly blue collar hero who is just there to help, not to clean up the mess made by his dad. Find that aspect of Spider-Man, the side of him that has moved readers for almost sixty years, and you can save this franchise.


Let's assume the Amazing Spider-Man franchise can be saved. What would you do? What's your big recommendation to Sony to bring this series back? Difficulty level: you can't tell them to sell Spidey back to Marvel.

Hire a scriptwriter who understands the character. give him complete freedom.

Bonus points.

Hire someone who has written spidey comics. let them play with big budget, and DO NOT TRY TO PLAY THE DESTINY CARD!
 
Looks like Sony is pretty happy with how the franchise is performing, Andrew just got offered to play Spider-man until 2020, and Sony said the role is his for as long as he wants it. Also he's contractually obligated to appear as Spider-Man in at least one more film after ASM3


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I like this news! :rock

Like I and others have said, I think they have an excellent cast, crew and 'Spidey feel' for these flicks. Now they just need an AMAZING script to keep it all balanced and cohesive.
 
At the risk of having stones thrown at me, Roberto Orci can write, he just has problems with coherency and tieing things together, would love to see a writer oversee him who could ground his enthusiasm a bit and let Orci create and someone else basically make it all sensible.
 
At the risk of having stones thrown at me, Roberto Orci can write, he just has problems with coherency and tieing things together, would love to see a writer oversee him who could ground his enthusiasm a bit and let Orci create and someone else basically make it all sensible.

Orci is ok, I actually like him when he's working for JJ, JJ knows how to tell a good story, not sure how JJ let into darkness happen but the film wasn't completely ruined. And I genuinely love MI3, my favorite of the franchise. I also think Alvin Sargent is the best writer the spider-man movies have had, at least he tried to keep the story consistent and focused. But like others have said why don't they give the writing reigns to some who's written a spider-man comic, like say Brian Michael Bendis? Considering this is his work that is influencing these films I think it would be a great fit. It worked with Josh Weadon and The Avengers, it just makes sense to me.
 
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