The Batman (June 25, 2021)

[matticus]

I like my Batman. Frank Miller started us down this path. This is why it is now also cool to have "Evil Superman". WB is doing the Injustice animated movie, so more evil Superman. Yeah, everyone needs more evil Superman.

 

[Cap'n Cook]

I love Batman it?s just the Snyder cultist and bat fans seem to believe he must always be like that overrated tdkr comic and be a grizzled broken man who is also old but can also beat everyone. It?s boring . Gimme the stealthy detective that has empathy and isn?t some hulking brute who can take on 50 people with ease

This.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Batman is a power fantasy but for a very specific demographic. The lonely little boys who want to revell in their "sadness", but aren't all that edgy.

Yep, when TDK hits theaters this board was inundated with dark, brooding, wannabe edgy types that previously loved Highlander. Chaos ensued as bright cheery Superman fans were assaulted by dark boys with mean humor. Why So Serious became a rally cry...

Many of those members are still here, but they've softened up a bit as they've aged.

 

[Rambler]

Where have I seen the riddler costume before.... oh yea...

 

[ironwez20]

Overrated? Overrated?? How dare you, sir. Frank Miller's The Dark Knight (not "The Dark Knight Returns"; when it was originally published the overall mini-series was simply called "The Dark Knight" and only the first book was called "The Dark Knight Returns." It's of course retroactively been re-titled "The Dark Knight Returns" since the late 80s) is the greatest American comic book of all time. If it's been referenced and ripped off a million times since then, that doesn't make the original any less amazing.

But Frank went out of his way to show that yes, his Batman was an old man and was indeed very capable of being defeated. Especially by the Mutant Leader.

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Eh I don?t like it . Dc and fans act like it?s the best Batman story written abd honestly it?s played out abd tired. Tdkr was awful cause it loosely adapted this storyline and Snyder Batman was based off this as well and he wasn?t as engaging

 

[ironwez20]

I like my Batman. Frank Miller started us down this path. This is why it is now also cool to have "Evil Superman". WB is doing the Injustice animated movie, so more evil Superman. Yeah, everyone needs more evil Superman.

Yea that?s getting old fast. But leave it to WB to get beat by shows like the boys and invincible before they get the courage to do it themselves. Another one beats them to the punch

 

[Otomofan]

How does a movie coming out 30 years after the book make the ACTUAL BOOK "played out?"

I guarantee you that there was nothing "played out" about this story when it hit comic stores in 1986.

If you read it and didn't like it, that's fine. We all like different stuff. But if you don't like it just cause a few scenes from The Dark Knight Rises and Batman vs Superman pay homage to it, you're directing your hate in the wrong place.

That's like complaining about the Beatles cause Oasis sucks.

 

[Victοr]

Yep, when TDK hits theaters this board was inundated with dark, brooding, wannabe edgy types that previously loved Highlander. Chaos ensued as bright cheery Superman fans were assaulted by dark boys with mean humor. Why So Serious became a rally cry...

Many of those members are still here, but they've softened up a bit as they've aged.

I wasn't here at the time, but I remember the phenomenon from other comic/videogame/battle forums. Batman was just too big in the 90s/00s, and with all the various media he appeared in, plus the powerwanking, he just became a juggernaut. Me, I don't mind edge. In fact, I like it. Not the extreme kind where it devolves to B-Movie Gore or Jeff The Killer Tier, so something like Crossed and the such. But I do like myself some Ghost Rider and True Detective, I prefer the Sith over the Jedi, Hell, I almost always go for the villain instead of the hero. So I don't have a problem with Batman revelling in the gim n' grit. What I cannot stand is how much of a pansy he comes off with his no-kill rule. I get it. I don't mind the rule. But dropped in that particular setting, and coupled with his "I'm the boss round these here parts pardner" attitude and tendency to break down and cry about mommy and daddy, I'm just soured on him. The problem with Batheads is that they both want him to be "relatable", even though he's a supergenius polymath Adonis trillionaire, while also being able to take down literal gods. The contrast is just too much.

Thankfully those years are more or less over. Most forums are dead, the comic's being written by King who turned Batman into an even bigger crybaby, and the movies didn't reach the same level of public consciousness. Not that I'm cheering for bad Batman content, I'm just glad the days of "REEEEEE BATMAN CAN TAKE OUT GALACTUS WITH THE BATGUN and also Batman is my favourite because he's human and he's literally just like me" are behind us.

Still, Batman is aimed at a pretty specific demographic compared to the other big name capes, and that's why you end up with this weird tonal imbalance. It's not that Spider-Man and Superman attract less self-inserters. I've seen enough to know that those might even be worse. But it's Batman being both a Gothic/Edgy character who keeps getting darker and darker in an attempt to be "mature", even though the stories are just redone pulps, and also a massive moralnut, that ends up making him a unique case of irritation.

 

[Otomofan]

Well I read all the monthly Batman comics from about 1988 to 2000, and I only remember him actually crying about his parents ONCE.

But apparently Tom King uses Batman as a self-insert so his Batman probably cries on every other page. I wouldn't know cause Tom King is one of the worst "writers" to ever work on Batman so I wouldn't read his **** if you paid me.

Tom King sucks. I hope he's reading this right now. Hey Tom King.....you SUCK.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I think its also our collective concept of 'dark' keeps changing. Its relative.

Remember when Batman '89 was considered dark? Yes, that flamboyant cartoon was considered dark and not just because of lighting.

 

[Victοr]

Well I read all the monthly Batman comics from about 1988 to 2000, and I only remember him actually crying about his parents ONCE.

But apparently Tom King uses Batman as a self-insert so his Batman probably cries on every other page. I wouldn't know cause Tom King is one of the worst "writers" to ever work on Batman so I wouldn't read his **** if you paid me.

Tom King sucks. I hope he's reading this right now. Hey Tom King.....you SUCK.

In the 2000s it got ramped up. I remember around the time of No Man's Land that it increased in frequency. I might be wrong and focusing on certain moments, it's been a long time. Look, I still like Batman on some level. There are things I've abandoned and never looked back, but I'm still getting the new DX. Part of that admittedly is that I like Bale a lot, but still. He ticks off several of my boxes as a character and property. But the last two decades were full of people trying to one up each other with more gruesome and "dark" stories, while Batman remained the same exact moralist he was before Miller came along. At some point he stops being a tortured hero stuck in a bad place, and starts being a sadomachocist who places his own holliness above the people he's supposed to be protecting.

I think its also our collective concept of 'dark' keeps changing. Its relative.

Remember when Batman '89 was considered dark? Yes, that flamboyant cartoon was considered dark and not just because of lighting.

Eh, I don't know. What's considered "dark" has remained consistent, it's the dichotomy between "kiddie dark" and "adult dark" that gets muddled. The genres kee bleeding into each other. I will agree that kids are exposed to more hardcore stuff from an early age now, so creatives keep pushing the limits into darker and darker territories. But honestly, there was a time the original Grimm Fairy Tales were being read to kids, and now you have 30 YOs discovering and going "zeeeoemgeeee I won't be able to sleep tonight" or some other nonsense.

Batman's problem is that he's as much a moralist as all the brighter capes, but tangles with things like Joker making a mosaic out of live people. Joker's become Hannibal Lecter but on a global scale. Batman's "muh oath" just doesn't cut it anymore.

 

[ZE_501]

Well I read all the monthly Batman comics from about 1988 to 2000, and I only remember him actually crying about his parents ONCE.

But apparently Tom King uses Batman as a self-insert so his Batman probably cries on every other page. I wouldn't know cause Tom King is one of the worst "writers" to ever work on Batman so I wouldn't read his **** if you paid me.

Tom King sucks. I hope he's reading this right now. Hey Tom King.....you SUCK.

*the sound of Tom King crying*

(I don't know who Tom King is. Sorry Tom King.)

 

[xipotec]

Most of us are old enough to remember everyone freaking out, pre-internet, when Michael Keaton was announced as Batman.

I didn't freak out, but unlike a lot of kids my age, I was already on the Bat-wagon before 1989. I was big into the comics, and I just couldn't imagine Mr. Mom wearing the tights.

Then an article came out in Newsweek which had the first picture I'd see of Keaton all suited up.

Pretty sure it was this famous promotional shot.

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I was disappointed at first cause the costume was all black and not grey and blue, and that he had clearly fake rubber muscles, but soon like everyone else in the world, I was transfixed and couldn't wait to see the movie and get a cool toy of this new take on Batman. (Still haven't got the perfect figure 32 years later....)

I really liked Batman Begins, but I really didn't care for the costume. But when the sequel was in development, I was already a big fan of Ledger's and I knew he was gonna crush it despite the naysayers. I absolutely loved the first promo reveal.

I didn't automatically trash everything for no reason. I've given every movie Batman a chance. Even Clooney.

This one is different though. This just looks like such low budget, phoned-in CW trash, I can't even pretend to give it a fair shake. That's the ugliest Batman costume I've ever seen. Even TDK armor plates was better than this. And that's definitely the laziest, non-iconic Batmobile ever made.

Ever watch those behind the scenes making of the Batmobiles? Even on the crap movies, the designers all jumped at the chance to try to outdo the last one. This one...is just a black car. That's all. Just a car.

I don't know why all this stuff looks so bad. Is it intentional? Does the director think he's being different by showing a cheap car and a cheap suit? Or does this movie just have no budget?

I think it is exactly intentional. This is year 2..... it?s been one of my greatest joys over the past few years seeing the ?in between? times in the Batman comics.

Seeing a origin story is been done to death, show me Batman before he was the unstoppable hero we know, but after he has had a little seasoning. It?s really the only story left to tell. I also think it?s what made TDK so interesting. We need more of that story.

I am really banking on a possible second costume reveal before the end of this film.

It?s one of the great things about Daredevil on Netflix, seeing him grow and change over time into the hero we know from the comics.


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[Cap'n Cook]

I think it is exactly intentional. This is year 2..... it?s been one of my greatest joys over the past few years seeing the ?in between? times in the Batman comics.

Seeing a origin story is been done to death, show me Batman before he was the unstoppable hero we know, but after he has had a little seasoning. It?s really the only story left to tell. I also think it?s what made TDK so interesting. We need more of that story.

I am really banking on a possible second costume reveal before the end of this film.

It?s one of the great things about Daredevil on Netflix, seeing him grow and change over time into the hero we know from the comics.


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This. Completely agree and I cannot wait for March 2022.

 

[matticus]

Yeah I only enjoyed Scott Snyder. Got an issue or two of King and bailed on Batman.

I agree that Year 2 is like the only untapped territory with Batman. That and completely Detective focused. I do like the upgrades during the event (game/movie/show) like the Batman games/Mando and hopefully this movie.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Let's talk dark. MF.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

This cant bode well, the director and patman hate each other lol. He will be recast right after the movie airs. Warner is such a joke nothing but problems

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“ So Matt Reeves is in the Batman business. He's making a Batman live-action TV show. He's making a Batman movie, and now he is making a Batman animated series. He is now the Batman guy. I hope he did a really good job”

“it's true, that Matt Reeves and Robert Pattinson are not friends. I heard it was to an alarming extent that they are not friends."



“The rumors have offered that Matt Reeves wasn't happy that Robert Pattinson refused to workout, which allegedly caused not only a delay in filming, but Pattinson faking that he had the coronavirus in order to give him time to try and bulk up for the role”.

“Its also said Reeves is a big time control freak on set and that Pattinson has been pushed past his breaking point. “

Moral of story dont cast a skinny, pale, sparkly, stuck up, pretty boy to play a major role like batman.

Maybe pattison thinks batman is a vampire, he didnt have to bulk up for twilight so why should he for batman. They get supernatural powers....and drink blood and stuff

 

[DiFabio]

I keep thinking Jye is RIDDICK with that old ben avatar.

I miss Riddick, he was a cunning warrior and a good friend.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

I keep thinking Jye is RIDDICK with that old ben avatar.

I miss Riddick, he was a cunning warrior and a good friend.

A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Riddick knight. He betrayed and murdered Riddick. Now the Riddick is all but extinct

 

[Wor-Gar]

I miss Riddick, he was a cunning warrior and a good friend.

Weren't you two part of that Kurgan group? Evilface was in there. Alot of those Kurgans bailed here and tried to start their own site.

Ironic that the Highlander reboot was also mentioned today. God, so many old memories have flooded back...