The Batman (June 25, 2021)

[Asta]

How did this thread end up on the subject of **** Tracy?

Never saw the 1990 film, but the serials from 1937 to 1941 were among the best of the period.

Lucas and Spielberg were fans, and lifted such things as the Flying Wing for Raiders, and the motorboat crushed between two ships for The Last Crusade, from the original **** Tracy (1937).

After all, this was the era that gave rise to Batman, hot on the heels of Zorro Rides Again (1937), which in turn also heavily inspired Lucas and Spielberg.

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[Wor-Gar]

**** Tracy in its time is one thing, but that Beatty version was -- and is -- terrible.

For big studio "tent-pole" or intended "blockbuster" movies, or whatever you want to call them, Beatty's **** Tracy is easily among my Worst 10 I would have to say. I just hated it.

 

[ironwez20]

You’ll think he’ll have yellow paint around his eyes in the updated version ?
I kid. But am I really?

 

[abake]

The 1990 **** Tracy holds up beautifully.

I hated it when it came out, cause they marketed it as the next Batman, and it's about as different from Burton's Batman as you can get.

But over time, I came to appreciate it for what it was. It's so damn colorful. It's like Sin City in color.

(For that same reason, I also enjoyed the Wachowski's Speed Racer. I know I'm the only one on the planet that liked it, but my god, the colors!! I wanna get whacked out on legal weed and watch it again late some night. Not here though. Weed will remain illegal in Japan for the duration of my lifetime.....)

Agreed on Speed Racer, while the movie wasn't very good, the art direction was amazing. I was surprised that it wasn't more influential. I guess that just proves how disliked the movie was.

 

[Victοr]

Doctor Frieztch for Battinson 2; possibly

Damn, I guess they're gonna go harder on the "muh realism" approach. Literally why? Is aping already established crime thrillers and adding watered down capes on top all that attractive? For God's sake, you've got this huge playground, use it. I can't believe we're getting NolanBats: Revised DLC Edition for real once again. Meanwhile Doctor Strange's fighting extradimensional gods alongside Tom Cruise and Professor X... I was on board with a gritty Battinson provided it paved the way to more horror/gothic/noir stories with clear fantastical elements. I like Fincher, I'll like Fincher-aped Batman too, but I was hoping this time they'd try something new... I'm still looking forward to the flick, but the director being such a cliche is disheartening. I mean, what the Hell is "grounded" about Freeze? The ******* freeze gun or the magic cryogenesis? Freeze is literally Sci-Fi, so unless it's some lame "deranged wacko kills people and keeps them iced to slice them up later" then it's still fantastical; it's just dressed up in a cowardly facade of "ugh, me mature, me no go full way, look it's all just scienzxce". Batman himself is absolutely unrealistic, but I suppose as long as you pretend hard enough you can believe anything.

Just rip off the Arkhamverse, Christ, it's not that hard... I'm still looking forward to the film, but, come on...

 

[Otomofan]

I still can't believe you guys think that Colin Ferrel made up to look like post-cancer Val Kilmer camping it up like he's in the old Adam West series is somehow "gritty" and "dark." It's dumb. It's so dumb.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating: Catwoman's mask is a sock over her face.



Is there any point where you guys will just say "Ugh, enough already, this is BORING." and stop spending money on this crap? Do you go to these movies that just get dumber and dumber and more repetitive and actually enjoy them? Aren't you bored??

 

[Victοr]

I still can't believe you guys think that Colin Ferrel made up to look like post-cancer Val Kilmer camping it up like he's in the old Adam West series is somehow "gritty" and "dark." It's dumb. It's so dumb.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating: Catwoman's mask is a sock over her face.



Is there any point where you guys will just say "Ugh, enough already, this is BORING." and stop spending money on this crap? Do you go to these movies that just get dumber and dumber and more repetitive and actually enjoy them? Aren't you bored??

Collin Farrell is my guy though... I still don't get what they were thinking replacing him with Depp in Fantastic Beasts. I love Depp too, but come on, his Graves was top tier. It sucks that I have no interest in the Penguin at all tbqhwy. Come over to the MCU Colln, you'd be a great Doom.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the flick because I like Pattinson most of all. I'm just tired of faux grittiness. I doubt I'll buy any figures though. DS2 will be eating most of my budget, and I still need to account for Moon Knight and Kenobi. I still hate the gauntlets too, so I'll wait for a sequel suit.

 

[Candlelight]

Doctor Frieztch for Battinson 2; possibly

Damn, I guess they're gonna go harder on the "muh realism" approach. Literally why? Is aping already established crime thrillers and adding watered down capes on top all that attractive? For God's sake, you've got this huge playground, use it. I can't believe we're getting NolanBats: Revised DLC Edition for real once again. Meanwhile Doctor Strange's fighting extradimensional gods alongside Tom Cruise and Professor X... I was on board with a gritty Battinson provided it paved the way to more horror/gothic/noir stories with clear fantastical elements. I like Fincher, I'll like Fincher-aped Batman too, but I was hoping this time they'd try something new... I'm still looking forward to the flick, but the director being such a cliche is disheartening. I mean, what the Hell is "grounded" about Freeze? The ******* freeze gun or the magic cryogenesis? Freeze is literally Sci-Fi, so unless it's some lame "deranged wacko kills people and keeps them iced to slice them up later" then it's still fantastical; it's just dressed up in a cowardly facade of "ugh, me mature, me no go full way, look it's all just scienzxce". Batman himself is absolutely unrealistic, but I suppose as long as you pretend hard enough you can believe anything.

Just rip off the Arkhamverse, Christ, it's not that hard... I'm still looking forward to the film, but, come on...

realistic mr freeze could be kino

 

[greygoose]

Tickets booked for Friday 4th March. Not been this hyped for a film in awhile.

 

[Victοr]

realistic mr freeze could be kino

None of that is "realistic" or "grounded". Freeze is inherently Sci-Fi. It's just code word for "I wanna do faux gritty PG-13 stuff and pretend it's totes hardcore".

 

[Candlelight]

None of that is "realistic" or "grounded". Freeze is inherently Sci-Fi. It's just code word for "I wanna do faux gritty PG-13 stuff and pretend it's totes hardcore".

knowing this director, and his ideas.
the most likely and the most realistic and obvious choice for his look would be some kind of bomb defuse suit.
have him be injured in some kind of blast

 

[Victοr]

knowing this director, and his ideas.
the most likely and the most realistic and obvious choice for his look would be some kind of bomb defuse suit.
have him be injured in some kind of blast

Or it's just going to be a schizo whose wife got sick, he fridged her body and is going around abducting people and fridging them, in his crazy plot to revive her. The twist would be that he didn't cryogenically freeze her, she straight up died and he just went nuts. I wouldn't expect anything more imaginative.

 

[Candlelight]

Or it's just going to be a schizo whose wife got sick, he fridged her body and is going around abducting people and fridging them, in his crazy plot to revive her. The twist would be that he didn't cryogenically freeze her, she straight up died and he just went nuts. I wouldn't expect anything more imaginative.

and he wears a fish bowl in his head because his wife had a fish she loved.

it writes itself lol

 

[Victοr]

and he wears a fish bowl in his head because his wife had a fish she loved.

it writes itself lol

And he carries an actual gun that in his schizo mind shoots freeze rays instead of bullets.

 

[Candlelight]

And he carries an actual gun that in his schizo mind shoots freeze rays instead of bullets.

I actually.... would lobe to see this lol
a fishbowl killer that sees a different world in his head. I kinda would love that.

 

[Victοr]

I actually.... would lobe to see this lol
a fishbowl killer that sees a different world in his head. I kinda would love that.

Sure, here you go:

 

[Candlelight]

Sure, here you go:

we better show this to the director.
that's basically all he needs for Batman 2

 

[Victοr]

we better show this to the director.
that's basically all he needs for Batman 2

And then he'll do Eyes Wide Shut: PG-13 Edition for Part 3 and that's that. God, I wish I was a big time Hollywood "idea man"...

 

[matticus]

Or it's just going to be a schizo whose wife got sick, he fridged her body and is going around abducting people and fridging them, in his crazy plot to revive her. The twist would be that he didn't cryogenically freeze her, she straight up died and he just went nuts. I wouldn't expect anything more imaginative.

Reminds me of the The Iceman movie with Shannon and Evans. Evans was "Mr.Freezy" going around in an ice cream truck and froze bodies to cut them up so blood wouldn't get everywhere. Based on a true story like our Zodiac killer. I could see Freeze doing that but experimenting on unwilling participants to find a cure for his wife. Not sure about an Ice Cream truck, but maybe a Buffalo Bill in an unmarked van kind of abductor.

 

[Victοr]

Reminds me of the The Iceman movie with Shannon and Evans. Evans was "Mr.Freezy" going around in an ice cream truck and froze bodies to cut them up so blood wouldn't get everywhere. Based on a true story like our Zodiac killer. I could see Freeze doing that but experimenting on unwilling participants to find a cure for his wife. Not sure about an Ice Cream truck, but maybe a Buffalo Bill in an unmarked van kind of abductor.

Well, if Reeves is already aping all the popular modern noir thrilles in the first, then I guess he'd have to move on to B-List Michael Shannon crime dramas next... I don't know, I guess I'm just dissapointed he wants to do Nolan: Grit Harder rather than something new. Anyone can do watered down Fincher with a Bat coat of paint. The real challenge would be to go full-on fantasy and keep it noir and horror-esque.