The Book Of Boba Fett (December 2021)

[Khev]

What Lucas was conveying is to love without possessiveness. He makes it pretty clear that Jedi are encouraged to love, but not allowed to form possessive attachments to what they love. The point being that if your love for someone (or something) takes the form of a possessive attachment, you're going to fear losing that. And we all know what Lucas says that fear leads to.

What you're saying about the concept being alien to most humans is fine, but that's kinda the point: Jedi are supposed to be enlightened and elevated. They're not like most humans because it'd be very dangerous if they were.

So much of this has its conceptual foundations in real-world philosophies and traditions. The basic underlying premise is that nothing is forever, and you don't get to decide how long you can keep what you love. By being willing to accept that, and by being able to "let go," you attain a healthier mindset and are left less vulnerable to destructive consequences.

Just think of how many acts of rage have played out in the real world as a consequence of a breakup or having something taken away. Then add crazy Jedi powers to those scenarios.

Yes, I think a lot of what people ascribe as the Jedi's hypocritical ***-backwards totally unnatural philosophies just come down to George's (really) poor execution of portraying those philosophies on screen, mostly due to crappy dialogue and head-scratching confusion over things like not letting Anakin free his mother since A. it would be a noble act in and of itself which the Jedi are supposedly committed to and B. just to free Anakin's mind from the lingering attachment, angst, concern, etc., of having her enslaved. It's not because the Jedi's teachings are absurd, no it was just George's writing, lol. Similar to a hundred other headscratchers in the prequels like Qui Gon and Obi-Wan inexplicably just not attending the Senate meeting where Padme is pleading for Republic intervention. Why the hell didn't they just accompany her and confirm that they witnessed the Trade Federation's invasion first-hand? Nobody knows, lol.

 

[Khev]

He famously hated the whole thing. George even did a playful angry bit with Seth Green about Mara Jade where he throws Green out of his office over it.

Was that bit about Mara Jade? I have only a vague memory of what was said in that video other than thinking it was hilarious at the time.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Was that bit about Mara Jade? I have only a vague memory of what was said in that video other than thinking it was hilarious at the time.

I edited my post to include the video.

 

[Khev]

I don't buy 1/6 SW figures, but this one is tempting.

This Bane fellow better not disappoint...like someone else I know.

Also, what's with those tubes? Is that for breathing? What with guys named Bane and tubes?

I kind of wish they kept the darker blue skin tone of the original cantina Duros as well as TCW Bane himself.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Yes, I think a lot of what people ascribe as the Jedi's hypocritical ***-backwards totally unnatural philosophies just come down to George's (really) poor execution of portraying those philosophies on screen, mostly due to crappy dialogue and head-scratching confusion over things like not letting Anakin free his mother since A. it would be a noble act in and of itself which the Jedi are supposedly committed to and B. just to free Anakin's mind from the lingering attachment, angst, concern, etc., of having her enslaved. It's not because the Jedi's teachings are absurd, no it was just George's writing, lol. Similar to a hundred other headscratchers in the prequels like Qui Gon and Obi-Wan inexplicably just not attending the Senate meeting where Padme is pleading for Republic intervention. Why the hell didn't they just accompany her and confirm that they witnessed the Trade Federation's invasion first-hand? Nobody knows, lol.

Well said. I certainly won't defend George's execution of Jedi philosophy in the prequels. But I don't think we should throw the baby out with the bath water as a result. The underlying concepts are fine, IMO, and should be expanded upon by people like Filoni, rather than undone.

 

[matticus]

You're familiar with what George Lucas thought of Mara Jade and Luke being married, right? I don't think Filoni would want to go there.

Filoni wouldn't dare cross his daddy George.

 

[Khev]

Well said. I certainly won't defend George's execution of Jedi philosophy in the prequels. But I don't think we should throw the baby out with the bath water as a result. The underlying concepts are fine, IMO, and should be expanded upon by people like Filoni, rather than undone.

Speaking of babies and bathwater, where are you at right now with the canonization of BOBF? For me there's way too much "baby" to throw out the whole series. But are you rejecting it all regardless because of "Fett's" portrayal, somehow extracting the stuff you like while pretending the rest didn't happen, or are you more like me and trying to feverishly reconcile the canonization of Mando's scenes and Luke training Grogu with the rationalization that this "Boba" is just a clone imposter with imprinted Sarlacc memories, lol.

 

[chrisstbh]

I can't wait to see the Boba Fett cameo in the finale.

 

[matticus]

I can't wait to see the Boba Fett cameo in the finale.

No one wants to see that.

 

[matticus]

Speaking of babies and bathwater, where are you at right now with the canonization of BOBF? For me there's way too much "baby" to throw out the whole series. But are you rejecting it all regardless because of "Fett's" portrayal, somehow extracting the stuff you like while pretending the rest didn't happen, or are you more like me and trying to feverishly reconcile the canonization of Mando's scenes and Luke training Grogu with the rationalization that this "Boba" is just a clone imposter with imprinted Sarlacc memories, lol.

Anything good with SW comes with more bad. Just the cruel way SW is nowadays.

 

[karamazov80]

What you're saying about the concept being alien to most humans is fine, but that's kinda the point: Jedi are supposed to be enlightened and elevated. They're not like most humans because it'd be very dangerous if they were.

So much of this has its conceptual foundations in real-world philosophies and traditions.

Good interpretation here. That makes sense to me. But this also reminds me very much of the expectations for Catholic priests. . .Grogu better watch out.

 

[Sassafras]

But what about the people that say "give us something new in Star Wars instead of rehashing old characters"? I'm all for rehashing if done well.

Not me. Burnt out on the Skywalkers. IMO Mando Season 1 did it right; enough nostalgia to tie things together, but opened up this great big galaxy. It's like there's this huge universe but story-wise up to Mando - except for Rebels and even that got Filoni'd - the wheels just spun.

An unfortunately back to being stuck in gear, so didn't get that thrilled with recent episode. Except for Cobb Vanth/Jawas.

 

[Khev]

Hopefully Cobb isn't dead. Looked like a shoulder hit to me.
His poor deputy got wrecked.

The deputy to Cad Bane after he got shot:

 

[ajp4mgs]

Speaking of babies and bathwater, where are you at right now with the canonization of BOBF? For me there's way too much "baby" to throw out the whole series. But are you rejecting it all regardless because of "Fett's" portrayal, somehow extracting the stuff you like while pretending the rest didn't happen, or are you more like me and trying to feverishly reconcile the canonization of Mando's scenes and Luke training Grogu with the rationalization that this "Boba" is just a clone imposter with imprinted Sarlacc memories, lol.

A lot of it will depend on the series finale, but what I want more than anything is some sort of onscreen acknowledgment that this Boba is not an extension of his OT persona. If they can provide a clear distinction that he used to be much more ruthless (and also exceptionally proficient), I'd be okay accepting the new version as a diminished Fett after a life-altering philosophical reset because in my mind I'd attribute it to unspoken Sarlacc consequences.

Barring that sort of delineation, I can't accept this Boba no matter what. I'd simply watch it, and all the other shows to keep enjoying stuff like Luke and Mando, within a "What If" context.

 

[Khev]

Not me. Burnt out on the Skywalkers.

Bah. You can have your side stories with new characters but Mark isn't gonna live forever so I hope they continue to utilize him (and McGregor, Hayden, Portman, etc.) while they can. RO Tarkin was nice but it feels so much more authentic when the likeness they are showcasing is still linked to the original living, contributing actor.

 

[a-dev]

Well said. I certainly won't defend George's execution of Jedi philosophy in the prequels. But I don't think we should throw the baby out with the bath water as a result. The underlying concepts are fine, IMO, and should be expanded upon by people like Filoni, rather than undone.

Ehhh, I dunno man. I still find the concepts...unclear. I don't know how a budding Jedi is supposed to navigate the can dos and can nots of supposed love without attachment. Not to mention the entire enterprise, as previously mentioned, requires the morally questionable indoctrination of infants - taking them away from a different life they might have far preferred - in order for it to safely conducted.

 

[Khev]

A lot of it will depend on the series finale, but what I want more than anything is some sort of onscreen acknowledgment that this Boba is not an extension of his OT persona. If they can provide a clear distinction that he used to be much more ruthless (and also exceptionally proficient),

Didn't they already pretty much do that though by having Fennec call out that he has gotten "soft" since his time with the Tuskens (which was just an extension of his time in the Sarlacc?) I mean as I think about it my "mind meld" clone idea could also work in reverse; that this *is* the "real" Fett but instead of a faker having his memories he's the real deal but with a hodge-podge of other memories/consciousnesses rattling around in his brain due to the Sarlacc that have greatly muddied his moral compass, proficiency with many of his prior skills, and so on. I'm not making a definitive case for how to rationalize this, just thinking (or typing) out loud so to speak.

 

[greygoose]

Episode 5 and 6 has laid bear Boba's inadequacies as a lead character.
Once again, another episode with little to no Boba, that was superior to the 4 that preceded it.
Somehow the fact that these last 2 episodes have been good, actually increases my anger and dislike of the show. How can they screw up this badly with Boba.
He's dead to me as a character.

Really enjoyed this episode. It adds to the series issues with messiness and lack of focus, but this episode and the last one are great as a 2 part mini series.

Love seeing Timothy Olyphant play space Raylan Givens. I'd be much happier with a Cobb Vanth series over this crappy Boba Fett one.
Loved the little touches like the creaking weather vein.
Very happy to have a live action Cad Bane. It was weird at first seeing him in realistic proportions after all these years seeing him in his exaggerated stylised animated form. Really pleased they kept the voice actor.
Hopefully Cobb isn't dead. Looked like a shoulder hit to me.
His poor deputy got wrecked.

Grinning like a happy ***** for so much of the Luke and Grogu stuff.

Oh well. Back to the regular Boba garbage next week. Directed by RR no less.

6 episodes into a 7 episode Boba Fett series and he's barely done anything in the current day crime lord story.
In the flashback stuff he bopped a few people on the head with a stick but in armour? Virtually nothing apart from that horribly choreographed pathetic "fight scene" in episode 1.
Not used his blaster. Used his jetpack for all of 2 seconds. Barely wears his helmet. Respectful and avoids violence. Spends all his time walking around the streets and being confused by locked doors.
And Cad Bane calls him a cold blooded killer. What a joke.
Within a few seconds of his first appearance on BoBF, Din Djarin had bisected a dude and cut his head off.

Wouldn't be surprised if next episode he let's everyone else do all the work whilst he sits on his therapy Rancor.

Really hope we don't get a second series of this.

Better to focus on Mando season 3 and Ahsoka. Maybe sneak in a Cobb Vanth series or a Luke Skywalker series. Leave this nonsense off the schedule.

Given the way this season has evolved into a Mando series I think they should have resisted the urge to move forward with a Boba series.

Given how well Mando S2 re-introduced Luke and Boba, I feel they should have given it some more thought and gone with Mando S3 and used Boba as a side character throughout. Forgot all the back story crap and give him some cool scenes in a handful of episodes. Pretty much how they're using Mando and Luke/Grogu in BoBF.

 

[Khev]

Given the way this season has evolved into a Mando series I think they should have resisted the urge to move forward with a Boba series.

Given how well Mando S2 re-introduced Luke and Boba, I feel they should have given it some more thought and gone with Mando S3 and used Boba as a side character throughout. Forgot all the back story crap and give him some cool scenes in a handful of episodes. Pretty much how they're using Mando and Luke/Grogu in BoBF.

It's just crazy how they've really shown Fett to be capable of pretty much nothing. He has done ZERO heavy lifting thus far. Fennec or the Vespas/Mando solve every problem for him while he gets even more help (Trejo/Rancor) handed to him on a silver platter. Whereas in Mando it was Din himself who would fly from planet to planet recruiting Cara, Kuill, Mayfeld, etc., for big tasks and he was always stepping up to do the job himself when others couldn't/refused even if it meant forsaking his own creed like infiltrating the base and taking his helmet off.

Fett literally just stands around or lounges in his bathrobe while *everyone else* handles the tasks that he originally claimed he was going to do himself. Why on earth would anyone respect him let alone fear him.

 

[meanstreak]

I agree, I think they rushed this Boba Fett show but to be honest - I dont think Morrison is lead man material and that the show would work all too well regardless.