The Book Of Boba Fett (December 2021)

[darth dennis]

Grogu will pass on training with Luke as well as passing on roaming the galaxy with the Mandalorian; instead, he'll pursue his dream of being a rap star.

Don't give Disney any more merchandising ideas...

 

[jye4ever]

Is it possible they are going to “wake up” the real Fett next episode like in Equilibrium?

 

[DeChino]

“I chose the streets”

 

[greygoose]

Is it possible they are going to “wake up” the real Fett next episode like in Equilibrium?

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Does this so called real Fett even exist?...

 

[Sassafras]

It took me a few re-reads, but I finally got it.

I need more coffee...

Caffeine is always good.
Anyway I arrived late re CW - but some episodes are better than others, overall IS worth a watch. Someone here pointed out to me too that Filoni isn't the only CW/Rebels writer. To me had some good narratives and world building.

Dunno how the forums feel in general, but based on YT/chatter Ahsoka is pretty popular. I liked the character best in the last part of Season 7 of CW.

Overall, while not a fan, from a writing standpoint and gearing CW to something children would watch, I think they did as well as they could inserting a character like that with Anakin, Obi-Wan, and the rest. Far as I can tell, they managed to do something cohesive in CW/Rebels without stepping all over the films.

Am less enthused with Dawson/live action Ahsoka, tho like her fights and looks like she is putting her back into it. Just don't think she really exudes mysterious power like, say, a Cate Blanchett is able to pull off. Things might improve with her own series, when she actually has something to do.

In any case think the writing in CW and Rebels is overall better and more interesting than episodes 1-4 of BF. Characters are distinct, well-detailed. Felt more tension over what was gonna happen in CW/Rebels a lot of the time, vs. watching Fett in his aquarium. Which is probably disgusting at this point, since everyone seems to use it like a cruise ship hot tub.

 

[ZE_501]

Wow. I've been working a lot the last 2 weeks with a lot of location stuff. This thread exploded and was hard to keep up with. Watched the episode, got through the comments:

Cobb Vanth/Pykes/Jawas are about the only part of this episode I liked.

The Jawas are always fun, mainly because Disney hasn't tried to make them sympathetic or 'complex' yet.

From Day One I've found Cobb Vanth both overrated and out of place in Star Wars, even though I think Olyphant is a good actor they've gone from Western genre references to hamfisted mimicry. So dumbed down.

I like Dawson's physicality; but IMO she just doesn't have the presence of the Armorer, say, or the Client to be all-knowing and mysterious.

... Dawson's Ahsoka keeps getting pushed as wise and mysterious but she can't sell it. Although the Armorer is from a Dungeons & Dragons video game and makes no damn sense either.


The Client ... was an amazing Imperial.

Usually I would have been happy to see Mando and Grogu, but this just felt kinda pedestrian. Way too much Luke; and rehash. It just didn't work for me. Plus I sort of had the feeling of whiplash, tho maybe it's supposed to feel like a lot of time has passed since Luke picked up Grogu. First it's really important that Grogu be trained; for the Child's survival if nothing else. But then Grogu still seems childlike but he's getting a big choice dropped in front of him? So assuming he's a fail at the Jedi thing, supposedly he's trained up enough now to leave Luke anyway?

When I first saw Luke and heard that Williams music I felt nostalgic delight, but soon realized I can just go watch ESB instead. And the writing is weak as ever. There are times Luke is just kinda mean to Grogu, a character that can't decide what it is other than cute. Luke chides him like a much older child, but the damn thing can't even talk yet -- then he unlocks a brutally traumatic memory, brushes it off with a 'welcome back' ... then he hits him with a hardass choice. Why not slap him around a bit while you're at it? Guess he has the Remote for that.

The implications of how deep fakes could be used and how convincing they can be is scary.

Unintended consequences indeed.

The choice set up for Grogu was cruel, and its going to backfire. Probably not right now, but years later. Calling it now: Grogu is going to leave Jedi training. He's a Force-user, going to end up with almost no training, out in the wild. This won't end well.

That would be the logical endpoint, but Star Wars worries not about that.

Cad Bane: Meh. Those prosthetics look bad, fite me. They do.

I thought he looked good, but ... Bane and Vanth belong in Firefly, not Star Wars.

IDK, Luke even said it was more like he was helping Grogu remember how to use his powers than he was actually training/teaching him. Seems like Grogu has some Force-related PTSD too, which I believe Ahsoka alluded to in her Mando episode (not THIS S3 episode, last season's lol). Keep in mind that while Grogu is young for his species, he still may be older than Luke and have more training than he does.

Fair enough but emotionally and verbally the little green cuss is a baby and Luke was kinda mean to him.

Yeah. Also it bothered me that from Mando finale, I sort of had the impression Luke, emotionally scarred and more mature, was rather commanding. Here he's asking Ahsoka for reassurance.

He regressed to Whiny Lil' Luke when talking to her at the end.

Surprised no one has yet made note of the fact that everyone's favorite MILF Garsa has now been reduced to her component molecules.

I wouldn't be surprised if she cleverly/miraculously survives. She saw what was about to happen. Plenty of time to duck or activate a personal shield or get very lucky.

Cara Dune was a female ass kicker who was actually believable.

Yes.

As for Cobb Vanth, have you ever watched Justified or Deadwood? Those shows would give you some insight into how perfectly he plays characters in this type of genre.

For sure, but as written he belongs in Firefly.

Shouldn't Luke have some political power after the defeat of Palpatine and the downfall of the Empire?

I don't know why he'd want it.

I don't think they're there yet, but from the looks of it, I think within ten years, it will be possible to make movies and shows with the original characters.

Terrible. It's very difficult to get original content as it is. If that comes to pass entertainment will become a bland, endless loop.

I wish they would tone down the western look. It is too obvious (like the Vespa kids are reminiscent of Happy Days for the 50s/60s look - I almost expect a cyborg Fonzie to appear). IMO it clashes too much with the design of the Tatooine from the movies.

Firefly. This show has an identity crisis.

Well I think it's because this idea of no attachments is alien to most humans. That whole philosophy itself seems confusing and contradictory.

George's in-universe philosophy is a confusing mish-mash of ideas embodied in Eastern traditions like Zen and Tibetan Buddhism, Taoism etc.

The real-world concepts such as interbeing, non-attachment, compassion and impermanence -- amongst others -- can be complex and overlapping when delved into, but they're well thought out, experiential concepts. Even internally there are sometimes multiple paths, off the top of my head (I could be wrong) Theravada Buddhism requires total eschewment of the mundane world to achieve enlightenment, but Mahayana says it's possible for everyone who embodies certain core tenets. Anyway, Lucas was never a great writer and borrows imperfectly with flawed execution, but I get where he's coming from, to a certain degree.

Well said. I certainly won't defend George's execution of Jedi philosophy in the prequels. But I don't think we should throw the baby out with the bath water as a result. The underlying concepts are fine, IMO, and should be expanded upon by people like Filoni, rather than undone.

I tend to think Filoni will only further complicate and make a hash of Lucas' already messy narrative.

Fett disintegrating Bane where he stands would be so awesome, and such a redemptive step not only for him, but for this whole series that we have exactly 0% chance of that happening.

There's no redemption possible here.

Hopefully they don't do something boring like having both sides face each other out in the desert over flat sand.

Almost a certainy.

How the hell does the Naboo starfighter land? I don't see no landing gear and it just doesn't sit on the ground. It looks like it is just suspended in the air with no consistent motion of it actually hovering. Probably the same issue from TPM.

They do have landing gear ... I wasn't paying attention to whether or not they showed it.

[RE: Ahsoka trope etc.] : Dunno what it is with these grown men coming up with stuff like this.

These are fantasy females for men who never really grew up.

Filoni created her to be none of those things.

And yet that's demonstrably what she became on his watch.

I really like how Luke took a lot of Yoda's sayings and made them his own ("You're trying too hard, don't try, just jump") but always with a compassion and softness seemingly different from prior Jedi Masters.

"Come on, that's all you got?" to a wee toddler who can't even speak.

It honestly somewhat bothered me seeing something that cold in a kid's show, lol. But it certainly helps you love to hate Bane.

Clone Troopers also burned alive onscreen in that show and screamed as they got blown out of airlocks by droids to asphyxiate in space, so ...

 

[The Buffinator]

Dunno how the forums feel in general, but based on YT/chatter Ahsoka is pretty popular. I liked the character best in the last part of Season 7 of CW.

Overall, while not a fan, from a writing standpoint and gearing CW to something children would watch, I think they did as well as they could inserting a character like that with Anakin, Obi-Wan, and the rest. Far as I can tell, they managed to do something cohesive in CW/Rebels without stepping all over the films.

Am less enthused with Dawson/live action Ahsoka, tho like her fights and looks like she is putting her back into it. Just don't think she really exudes mysterious power like, say, a Cate Blanchett is able to pull off. Things might improve with her own series, when she actually has something to do.

I'm hoping going forward that Rosario's Ahsoka is as calm, reserved and child friendly as her Abernathy character in Death Proof...

 

[DeChino]

i see it as luke having one opportunity to save the jedi race, he knows how old grogu is. especially after seeing that order 66 memory. there’s no need to pamper him, if he wants to be a jedi it’s a difficult road. no point in being false to grogu just because he’s small and doesn’t talk. (he clearly can understand what others are telling him).

the jedi already handed out “participation” trophies and it got them all killed lol.

 

[ZE_501]

i see it as luke having one opportunity to save the jedi race, he knows how old grogu is. especially after seeing that order 66 memory. there’s no need to pamper him, if he wants to be a jedi it’s a difficult road. no point in being false to grogu just because he’s small and doesn’t talk. (he clearly can understand what others are telling him).

the jedi already handed out “participation” trophies and it got them all killed lol.

That's not a terrible assessment, but now it takes me out of the narrative again wherein the character can't decide what it is -- i.e. 50-year old combat survivor or burbling cookie thief.

I suppose both things can be true. It's just more Star Wars-isms in the end.

 

[greygoose]

I wonder at what age does Grogu mature and start speaking etc? Seems a big choice for a juvenile to make. It's a huge decision for someone so young. **** move from Luke.

 

[DeChino]

yeah, i think both can be true like you said. i just don’t get where they’re going to go with grogu. he’s so early into training but already so old, everyone (luke included) will be WAY dead by the time he’s actually a jedi. meaning well get no conclusion to his story, or at least one we’d care about because all these characters will be gone. so he either chooses luke’s training (which considering we’ve never heard about him afterwords in the cannon he must get killed during or before kylos attack) or he goes off on his own, maybe he does choose mando….

 

[ZE_501]

If Din lives another 50 years, Grogu will be about the equivalent of 10 years old at best when his adopted dad dies of old age.This is assuming a linear progression of maturity for his species ... if Yoda kicked the bucket at 900 looking like a relatively spry 90-year old, you give Grogu 10 at 100. Unless there's a great leap in cognitive development prior to that which would actually make a bit more sense.

Thing is, Grogu is most valuable as a property in baby form. The more he does and the more he's capable of, the less surprising and the less cute he is.

 

[Sassafras]

yeah, i think both can be true like you said. i just don’t get where they’re going to go with grogu. he’s so early into training but already so old, everyone (luke included) will be WAY dead by the time he’s actually a jedi. meaning well get no conclusion to his story, or at least one we’d care about because all these characters will be gone. so he either chooses luke’s training (which considering we’ve never heard about him afterwords in the cannon he must get killed during or before kylos attack) or he goes off on his own, maybe he does choose mando….

They made it all OK tho by slipping in the line about whether Grogu was just being helped to remember. So basically we have a 50-year old toddler who's already - I guess - well able to use the Force except he doesn't know how to pace himself and/or was too scared to use the Force (except when he feels like it).

This, IMO, is what happens when you don't stick to your original character who came off to me like a child who just happens to have innate talent, and kept to a more straightforward storyline where, maybe, Luke had shown up in the end of the whole series, Mando and Child after many adventures get an explanation for Grogu, head off into the sunset etc.

But we had to have had Grogu at Coruscant getting trained zzzzz. And now Luke showing up is never gonna have that kind of impact, since we KNOW he's gonna show up.

But whatever, looks like we're gonna get a mythosaur. As for Grogu's ultimate fate since he lives a lot longer, I figure the series isn't gonna worry about it; or maybe Disney is taking the long view and is all happy; in theory, they can churn out more series for the next 100 years featuring Grogu. Instead of a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, it'll be 3,000 years from now, in a galaxy far far away...

 

[Sassafras]

If Din lives another 50 years, Grogu will be about the equivalent of 10 years old at best when his adopted dad dies of old age.This is assuming a linear progression of maturity for his species ... if Yoda kicked the bucket at 900 looking like a relatively spry 90-year old, you give Grogu 10 at 100. Unless there's a great leap in cognitive development prior to that which would actually make a bit more sense.

Thing is, Grogu is most valuable as a property in baby form. The more he does and the more he's capable of, the less surprising and the less cute he is.

E.g. young Yoda, which Favreau swore up and down Grogu wasn't. All the more reason to get Grogu the *&^% away from these Jedi

 

[ebor]

I wonder at what age does Grogu mature and start speaking etc? Seems a big choice for a juvenile to make. It's a huge decision for someone so young. **** move from Luke.

400...so we have WAAAAYYY more seasons of the Lone Wolf & Cub show before Grogu says "nnnnnooooooo!" and joins the Sith

 

[jye4ever]

If Din lives another 50 years, Grogu will be about the equivalent of 10 years old at best when his adopted dad dies of old age.This is assuming a linear progression of maturity for his species ... if Yoda kicked the bucket at 900 looking like a relatively spry 90-year old, you give Grogu 10 at 100. Unless there's a great leap in cognitive development prior to that which would actually make a bit more sense.

Thing is, Grogu is most valuable as a property in baby form. The more he does and the more he's capable of, the less surprising and the less cute he is.

I think you can still combine cute with rage.

First they show off Grogu’s new berserker barrage with his mini lightsaber like this:

Audience bursts out with applause!

Then after he guts his opponent they end the scene with him doing something adorable like this…

Audience bursts out with Awwwwww!

Hot Toys sales increase 300% lol

 

[The Buffinator]

From Day One I've found Cobb Vanth both overrated and out of place in Star Wars, even though I think Olyphant is a good actor they've gone from Western genre references to hamfisted mimicry. So dumbed down.

I thought he looked good, but ... Bane and Vanth belong in Firefly, not Star Wars.

For sure, but as written he belongs in Firefly.

It's obvious that either Favreau or Filoni is a Deadwood/Justified fan and wanted a sheriff/marshal along the lines of what TO played in those shows. The Vanth character is a bit TOO on-the-nose at times but if they didn't want that they should have written a different character.

Now that you mention it, Vanth is quite similar to Nathan Fillion's Malcolm Reynolds, yet another space cowboy who was infinitely superior to the Boba Fett in this show. I don't recall any alien species walking around in Firefly, so I can't agree with your Cad Bane comment unless you're referring strictly to his gunslinger vibe.

 

[ZE_501]

E.g. young Yoda, which Favreau swore up and down Grogu wasn't. All the more reason to get Grogu the *&^% away from these Jedi

Don't forget, he's an executive and they're not to be trusted.

 

[ZE_501]

I don't recall any alien species walking around in Firefly, so I can't agree with your Cad Bane comment unless you're referring strictly to his gunslinger vibe.

Yep, it's the laser six-shooters, accent and hat.

 

[The Buffinator]

I think you can still combine cute with rage.

First they show off Grogu’s new berserker barrage with his mini lightsaber like this:

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Audience bursts out with applause!

Then after he guts his opponent they end the scene with him doing something adorable like this…

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Audience bursts out with Awwwwww!

Hot Toys sales increase 300% lol

Lightsaber moves I'll allow, but if Grogu turns into a "Bing! Bing! Bing!! Ricochet Rabbit" and starts bouncing off the walls like Yoda did in AOTC that's where I get off the bandwagon.