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[Bannister]

I'm just curious, how was Tolkien's version more "Christian", so to speak, than Jackson's? I ask because I'm a Christian and don't have a problem with the film version. I haven't read the books (except for The Hobbit) but my understanding was that the scene in the book was like the cartoon; Gollum takes the ring, dances around and just slips off the edge without any further struggle with Frodo.

Frodo still gives in to the power of the Ring in both versions, he battles Gollum over it in both versions, what's wrong with him struggling all the way till Gollum goes over the side? I know PJ actually filmed an alternate version of the scene where Frodo *pushes* Gollum off the edge, but that isn't what happened in the final movie.

If you don't understand, then you must not be a very good Cristian then. I guess I will see you in Hell with all us other blasphemers.

 

[tomandshell]

I think Khev is correct in that most of what PJ did was extend the struggle between Frodo and Gollum. I don't see a major "Christian" emphasis in the book that was intentionally deleted by PJ for the film. (It's not like in the book, Frodo withstood the temptation and Gollum saw the error of his ways and sought forgiveness.) The events play out in basically the same way. For sure, Frodo's actions are tweaked, but it is not a complete betrayal of the book. Tolkien seems to have wanted to show that giving in to temptation can have dangerous consequences, and that comes out in both the book and film versions of the scene. Had they used the filmed (but unused) version of the scene where Frodo intentionally pushes Gollum over the side then Frodo would be a murderer and that would be a bigger deal. As it is, we have a struggle (as in the book) leading to an inevitably negative outcome for Gollum.

 

[Bannister]

I think Khev is correct in that most of what PJ did was extend the struggle between Frodo and Gollum. I don't see a major "Christian" emphasis in the book that was intentionally deleted by PJ for the film. (It's not like in the book, Frodo withstood the temptation and Gollum saw the error of his ways and sought forgiveness.) The events play out in basically the same way. For sure, Frodo's actions are tweaked, but it is not a complete betrayal of the book. Tolkien seems to have wanted to show that giving in to temptation can have dangerous consequences, and that comes out in both the book and film versions of the scene. Had they used the filmed (but unused) version of the scene where Frodo intentionally pushes Gollum over the side then Frodo would be a murderer and that would be a bigger deal. As it is, we have a struggle (as in the book) leading to an inevitably negative outcome for Gollum.

Well said.

 

[crazytrain]

I'm just curious, how was Tolkien's version more "Christian", so to speak, than Jackson's? I ask because I'm a Christian and don't have a problem with the film version. I haven't read the books (except for The Hobbit) but my understanding was that the scene in the book was like the cartoon; Gollum takes the ring, dances around and just slips off the edge without any further struggle with Frodo.

Frodo still gives in to the power of the Ring in both versions, he battles Gollum over it in both versions, what's wrong with him struggling all the way till Gollum goes over the side? I know PJ actually filmed an alternate version of the scene where Frodo *pushes* Gollum off the edge, but that isn't what happened in the final movie.

I never said that PJ's version was any less Christian than Tolkien's, just that Tolkien refers to it in context with his Christian beliefs. The point I was trying to make was that people seemed to be confusing allegory with Christianity and then deriding others; they are not the same thing. As I said, the reason I prefer Tolkien's version has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity - I just prefer it his way to PJs - I don't have a "problem" with PJ's version either, I just prefer Tolkien's...

 

[Fritz]

With all do respect to Trev, based on the few dimly lit pictures we've seen I don't see how anyone can determine that it's the best likeness of Elijah Wood we've seen. Personally I think it's a little premature to say it's any better or worse than Matt's and Ben's versions.

Can you give us any hints as to what the scale is Trev?

 

[LOTRFan]

Granted it is only half of his face, but the scale is likely similar -- The Escape plaque is very good.


And it's done by Virginia Lee!

 

[Trevolver]

This one was 1/9 scale...hope I'm not stepping on toes by revealing that. it is a small piece

thanks guys!
Trev

 

[tomandshell]

This one was 1/9 scale...hope I'm not stepping on toes by revealing that. it is a small piece

thanks guys!
Trev

Small piece could mean a smaller price! Maybe I will end up getting one after all, if the price is right.

 

[Fritz]

Thanks Trev! And don't worry, if you weren't supposed to say anything, we won't tell. Mums the word.

Does anyone know what scale the meeting of old friends bookends were or the escape plaque?

 

[The Josh]

I could use a small price.

 

[Darth Caedus]

With all do respect to Trev, based on the few dimly lit pictures we've seen I don't see how anyone can determine that it's the best likeness of Elijah Wood we've seen. Personally I think it's a little premature to say it's any better or worse than Matt's and Ben's versions.

Can you give us any hints as to what the scale is Trev?

Likeness was off and I think I saw monkey arms........:emperor :emperor

 

[Darth Loki]

Small piece could mean a smaller price! Maybe I will end up getting one after all, if the price is right.

Yeah, but I don't want this if Frodo and Gollum are only going to be 4 inches tall. I have bust-ups bigger than that.

I'd assume this is closer to 1/6 scale since they are both small characters to begin with.

 

[LOTRFan]

I'd assume this is closer to 1/6 scale since they are both small characters to begin with.

Go back a page Loki, it is indeed 1/9 scale.

The Meeting Bookends, have to be about 1/16 scale, so I figure you can double their size for this one.

 

[customizerwannabe]

1/9 is pretty small, but that's fine by me. Gotten enough monster size pieces lately. The price needs to be 1/9 scale too. Doubt it will. BTW, here's some ****s.

 

[Darth Caedus]

1/9 is pretty small, but that's fine by me. Gotten enough monster size pieces lately. The price needs to be 1/9 scale too. Doubt it will. BTW, here's some ****s.

MMMM, those were nice. I really hope that the price isn't too bad, because I would love to get this line. Had to spend a bunch on school recently, so I hope that the price is right for me.

 

[Darth Loki]

Go back a page Loki, it is indeed 1/9 scale.

The Meeting Bookends, have to be about 1/16 scale, so I figure you can double their size for this one.

My bad.

So these guys won't be any bigger than 4-5 inches. It still looks nice, but I think that just killed what interest I had in it. Hopefully it'll have a nice price point to rekindle it though

 

[Bannister]

Hoefully this will be around $150.00.

 

[Darth Loki]

Hoefully this will be around $150.00.

That's honestly the price point I'm expecting. If there's no exclusive, you should be able to get if for around $130-135 from a retailer which isn't bad at all.

 

[Bannister]

That's honestly the price point I'm expecting. If there's no exclusive, you should be able to get if for around $130-135 from a retailer which isn't bad at all.

Yeah, I actually hope there isn't an exclusive because with LOTR stuff I have to have the exc. and I would rather get a discount like on the Frodo PF.

 

[tomandshell]

I somehow doubt that there will be an exclusive, but you never know.