The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[thenammagazine]

I hate these.

But...the RLM stuff, as always, is amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQJuGeqdbn4

That's awesome!

 

[no*dice]

I am taking it not to serious as well but some parts of it just to retarded and make me "ughhh? what?" while watching. I mean if something so dumb even for superherocomicstandarts than **** this ****!

 

[CelticPredator]

I love reading this thread.

 

[no*dice]

Right, I mean "Even when batman was doing batman stuff, it turns out it was just a trap. Even when batman stops Bane, it turns out he wasn't the leader. Things in this movie lead up to nothing, so then at the end you start to think that batman was stupid for not figuring it out earlier."


"They film many of these big action movies without even having a finished script yet and you lemmings keep going to see them in record numbers" cause it is so awsome batman cancer voice!

 

[CelticPredator]

Yeah I posted this, like TWICE









actually i posted this 3 times already......

I didn't read it because you were doing it in a way that was incredibly annoying, which made me ignore your post, and whatever you posted.

Also, despite all the problems of this movie, I hate it gives fuel for people like you. It proves nothing, because...NEEEWWWZZZZZZ flash, it was satire.

Even Mike and Jay loved it. Yet, they understand who comedy works.

 

[Adolfo]

There have been so many incarnations and variations on the character. We can most definitely choose the Batman we like, but not what he should be. Through the Bat movies that have been released, we've had a few takes on him now. If someone didn't like the Nolan one, we got another one coming up!

Very well said...it's all on how the Director/producer chooses...not the gospel according to some batfan...very good

 

[galmando]

Posted this in the wrong thread, so here it is again!

They had one of the Tumblers at Manchester Trafford Centre on Monday

Took a few pics, it's huuuuge!

 

[Fernandofan08]

You like a Bruce Wayne that's all about symbols, greek philosophy, Tale of two cities passages, Roman ideals and forced, theater melodrama.

If I wanted to see that, I'd read the Odyssey again or read English plays. Batman, for me, isn't a Greek fictional epic with analogous themes of unachievable ideals.


I quite enjoyed seeing a Bruce Wayne that pushes his own limits, is constantly watching his friends and enemies on monitors and replies "beautiful, isn't it" after doing morally questionable things. That's the great thing about Batman, he's on edge. He's just at the brink of becoming the very thing he seeks to eliminate. Thankfully, his humanity, parents and butler keep him from crossing that line.

If that pain goes away and he's cured of it then the city is in serious trouble.

You know would I would have liked to have seen? Not a tourist that goes off on some weird, life long vacation in Italy to do his butlers bidding (and in the process throws away both of his personas and leaves everything in the hands of a person he just meant) but is content with his duty as Batman and his responsibilities as Bruce Wayne. Let's not forget here, he's not just giving up Batman, he gives up Bruce Wayne too. Where's the philanthropy (other than last minute house give aways to orphans), wheres Bruce finally taking over Wayne Enterprises, doing what his father did during the day, and doing what his father couldn't do, as Batman, at night?


You keep going back to Begins. I think I recall Begins ending with Bruce feeling that he is fulfilled. His father wouldn't be proud of him? Rachel seems to think so, she even says that. I hate to break it to ya, but Begins HAD a hero's journey. It was a Year One story, that's what it was intended in 2005. It's called "Batman Begins", it was all about Bruce Wayne's transformation into Batman. While he does think in ideals and alludes to "symbols to inspire others", it goes both ways. Rachel suggests this. Batman COULD BE his real mask. What's wrong with that? Bruce Wayne's ONE wish was to be with Rachel, his childhood friend, but in the second one, she's gone. Batman should be dominant, what's so wrong with this?

That should have been another catalyst to get Bruce deeper into the Batman persona (where he was headed in TDK when he became a seasoned "Batman" after apprehending the Joker, taking the blame, and not becoming a hero, but a Dark Knight).




The thing wrong with what Nolan did, for me, is that he treated Batman as a bad thing, not just for the character, but in general. Just when you have high hopes that Bruce would embrace the character and you could finally move past the doubt he seemed to have (YES, RACHEL IS FINALLY GONE!), what does he do? He retires him, cripples him (only until he needs to conveniently come back again) and pacified the character for 7 years.

Begins was promoted as Bruce Wayne's Journey, as a Year One film. It lived up to it and had a promise for the future. The Dark Knight took it one step further and plunged deeper in the Batman persona, the stuff everyone wanted to see . . . . TDKR takes him back, well, not just him, takes everything back, changes it up, turns things on it's head and well, you get what we got in TDKR. An obligatory film full of contrived, "EPIC" ideas and messages and a setting that is most certainly . . . unrealistic.



I'll take a Bruce/Batman that can take beatings every night and survive than a Bruce that has a magic knee brace and can survive nuclear fallout with the rest of the city, just so he can have a greek heroes journey, (instead of, you know, Batman's journey) and a martyr's death so he can live it up with a one dimensional cat lady he just met on his swiss account.


People say that it makes sense for it to end, it's not like the comics which aren't real. Well, I hate to break it to anyone here, but these films aren't reality. They, like comics, could go on and on forever. Just like books, just like other entertainment. Is it because it's a "Trilogy" now. How many times do we have to see in interviews that it was NEVER INTENDED TO BE ONE? The writers and filmmakers were *gasp* making it up as they went along.

This isn't reality, it never was. They were just great Batman films until the bloated, final film where the vision and interpretation lost it's flavor.

Thats what Batman has been since what, the complete reboot in 1989 with Legends of the Dark Knight (which in turn was the sole reason Long Halloween and Dark Victory were made).

Batman is extremely philosophical. Many many comics he has quoted greek and roman passages, many times he has quoted poetry (his favourite being 'O Captain! My Captain' at funerals as **** and Tim joke about). The character is often seen reading in his extensive library from such kind of books, even reads his favourite childhood book Alice in Wonderland on rainy nights when Martha used to read them to him.

If you dont think Batman is a philosophical character then youve clearly not read comics, because there are many instances where Batman. Theres a whole book out there analysing over 70 years of Batman comics on the philosophy of the character and how lives by similar teachings of that from Plato, Aristotle,Kierkergaard and Lao Tzu.

[ame]https://www.amazon.co.uk/Batman-Philosophy-Knight-Blackwell-Culture/dp/0470270306[/ame]

 

[Bustajesse]

I've watched it 6 times now and I love it. I actually like it more than TDK. Sure the Joker may be one of the best characters in the entire trilogy, but I think this movie is better overall. I find it a chore to sit through TDK, but the almost 3 hrs for TDKR always seems to fly by even though a lot of the movie is dialogue from supporting characters.

I for one was happy to see Bruce's journey end on a positive note. There is so much Batman media out there where he is portrayed as either psychotic, depressed, angry or all three. It was nice that for once, he is able to let it go.

 

[TheProcrastinator]

Pardon if this allready been posted, it's hard to keep up with this thread. If it was, well, it's good enough for a repost.
Much better than the official trilogy retrospection trailer. The use of that rising strings theme from "Begins", at the very end of this montage, is brilliant.
[ame]https://youtu.be/1s4aAp8OxGg[/ame]

 

[Khev]

I'm loving this film on blu-ray just as much as on the big screen and IMAX. I really wonder if it just might surpass The Avengers as time goes on.

It's beautiful, artistic, and captivating and the action rivals any summer blockbuster. It really does have it all.

I agree that the perfect ending probably would have been Alfred looking up and smiling and then *boom* credits so that the audience could make their own conclusion as to just what/who Alfred saw in Italy but since I would have assumed he saw Bruce anyway I guess spelling it out is a small loss.

Incredible film. Bane is the iconic "Batman breaker" and I just don't see any future Bat film topping this one as far as dramatic stakes are concerned.

 

[Fives]

this always cracks me up.

[ame]https://youtu.be/mON8atk0_t4[/ame]

 

[greygoose]

this always cracks me up.

https://youtu.be/mON8atk0_t4

Just watched this part. Made me chuckle.

 

[Irvy]

It cracks me up the part where he asks Alfred if they have any cars still kicking about. The way he replies "Yesss" like such an old creep makes me laugh

 

[intothevoid]

Thats what Batman has been since what, the complete reboot in 1989 with Legends of the Dark Knight (which in turn was the sole reason Long Halloween and Dark Victory were made).

Batman is extremely philosophical. Many many comics he has quoted greek and roman passages, many times he has quoted poetry (his favourite being 'O Captain! My Captain' at funerals as **** and Tim joke about). The character is often seen reading in his extensive library from such kind of books, even reads his favourite childhood book Alice in Wonderland on rainy nights when Martha used to read them to him.

If you dont think Batman is a philosophical character then youve clearly not read comics, because there are many instances where Batman. Theres a whole book out there analysing over 70 years of Batman comics on the philosophy of the character and how lives by similar teachings of that from Plato, Aristotle,Kierkergaard and Lao Tzu.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Batman-Philosophy-Knight-Blackwell-Culture/dp/0470270306

That's the thing about Batman - he can quite easily have a Greek tragedy interpretation just as he can have a philosophical or cheesy one

I've watched it 6 times now and I love it. I actually like it more than TDK. Sure the Joker may be one of the best characters in the entire trilogy, but I think this movie is better overall. I find it a chore to sit through TDK, but the almost 3 hrs for TDKR always seems to fly by even though a lot of the movie is dialogue from supporting characters.

I for one was happy to see Bruce's journey end on a positive note. There is so much Batman media out there where he is portrayed as either psychotic, depressed, angry or all three. It was nice that for once, he is able to let it go.

Yupp

Pardon if this allready been posted, it's hard to keep up with this thread. If it was, well, it's good enough for a repost.
Much better than the official trilogy retrospection trailer. The use of that rising strings theme from "Begins", at the very end of this montage, is brilliant.
https://youtu.be/1s4aAp8OxGg

Yeah love that retrospective - was put together by a friend of mine Dan Marcus

It cracks me up the part where he asks Alfred if they have any cars still kicking about. The way he replies "Yesss" like such an old creep makes me laugh

My Cocaine is just gold

 

[greygoose]

Just finished my first viewing on blu ray. Sure the film has it's issues (no point discussing them as I'm guessing people have beaten them to death on here...as usual) but that doesn't stop it from being a great film and a good ending to the trilogy. I like the fact that BB, TDK & TDKR all have the own vibe and feel to them. There's something in all of them that people can like/dislike more then the others.

 

[UltraMarknus]

I would love to see a batman movie that was all about batman. No Bruce Wayne and anoying love interest or anyone finding out who he really was. Just Batman on one difficult case that led to a villain that we have never seen before. That would be interesting.

That is what fan made stuff is for. For the 1,000 people that would like it, there are 10,000,000 that would not. I think film companies know what they are doing, at this point.

 

[Adolfo]

Just finished my first viewing on blu ray. Sure the film has it's issues (no point discussing them as I'm guessing people have beaten them to death on here...as usual) but that doesn't stop it from being a great film and a good ending to the trilogy. I like the fact that BB, TDK & TDKR all have the own vibe and feel to them. There's something in all of them that people can like/dislike more then the others.

great post...

 

[Adolfo]

That is what fan made stuff is for. For the 1,000 people that would like it, there are 10,000,000 that would not. I think film companies know what they are doing, at this point.

another great post

 

[greygoose]

great post...

another great post

Great posts.