The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[crows]

Best way to do it : watch BB and TDK.

Wait 8 years.

I would say wait 8 years and watch Dark Knight Rises 8 years after watching Dark Knight.

I mean, that's the way Nolan wanted it right? for Bruce to mop around and walk around his house for 8 years without getting out or taking care of his company or anything.

As a matter of fact Wait in your house 8 years. Don't leave your house, just have someone bring you food and just walk around your house with a cane back and forth. Just don't do anything at all.
After the 8 years have passed you can then proceed to watch Rises..

 

[karamazov80]

So I just finished re-watching Rises (first time since the theater). I actually like it more on second viewing. Maybe since I knew what was going down, have had time to let it sink in, and so I was able to enjoy the movie for what it was without the various problems I felt before. Still not a fan of quitter Batman, or of the swerve with Bane, or the idea of the Batplane flying off with a nuke at the end. . .

But at this point I would say I like this movie significantly better than Man of Steel. The characters and story have weight. Actions feel like they have genuine consequences. Purely from a dramatic storytelling POV, there's no contest whatsoever between these two. That's probably the biggest reason why this one resonates more with me now. Imperfect, but I can now certainly appreciate this movie more than I could when I first saw it.

 

[Cap'n Cook]

I would say wait 8 years and watch Dark Knight Rises 8 years after watching Dark Knight.

I mean, that's the way Nolan wanted it right? for Bruce to mop around and walk around his house for 8 years without getting out or taking care of his company or anything.

As a matter of fact Wait in your house 8 years. Don't leave your house, just have someone bring you food and just walk around your house with a cane back and forth. Just don't do anything at all.
After the 8 years have passed you can then proceed to watch Rises..

Quality.

 

[Khev]

Still not a fan of quitter Batman, or of the swerve with Bane, or the idea of the Batplane flying off with a nuke at the end.

"He stole my nuke! Why didn't anyone tell me he had one of those...things."

Funnily enough I watched the deleted scenes on the Batman Forever disc the other day. There was a subplot about Bruce thinking about quitting in that one too with Alfred urging him to consider it. Val revisited the batcave, saw the giant bat (or hallucinated) and came out with his resolve permanently fixed to be Batman permanently (no I'm not going to make a pun from the title of the movie.) It would have been cool for TDKR Bruce to get the peace he had wanted since his parents death, but AS BATMAN. Why couldn't he just come to terms with it? Oh well.

 

[Russell1982]

"He stole my nuke! Why didn't anyone tell me he had one of those...things."

Funnily enough I watched the deleted scenes on the Batman Forever disc the other day. There was a subplot about Bruce thinking about quitting in that one too with Alfred urging him to consider it. Val revisited the batcave, saw the giant bat (or hallucinated) and came out with his resolve permanently fixed to be Batman permanently (no I'm not going to make a pun from the title of the movie.) It would have been cool for TDKR Bruce to get the peace he had wanted since his parents death, but AS BATMAN. Why couldn't he just come to terms with it? Oh well.

Which perfectly explains why the film was called Batman Forever. With that sub plot removed the title kind of makes no sense. Something I never really thought about when I was a kid.

It's a real shame that film didn't include all the good stuff. Could have been a much better movie.

 

[intothevoid]

Why couldn't he just come to terms with it? Oh well.

Because what would happen when the day came that he finally got killed in action? That would be the end of Batman. His mission would have lasted the length of his life, but no longer.

His mission was to put a legacy in place that would outlive him. The ending of TDKR was the only way to close the story while being true to the the character arc established in BB and TDK - the only other option would have been for him to actually had died while saving Gotham, but still having left everything in place as he did for Blake, but that would have ignored everything in TDK about him yearning for the day when he can move on from Batman.

 

[jye4ever]

A legacy to continue, fine.

But BW needs to die first before passing on that legacy.

This ain't Heinz ketchup muther****er.

 

[DiFabio]

I agree with Khev, it would have been better if he came to terms with Batman, proved that *****, Alfred wrong and also lived a philanthropic life as Bruce Wayne (with out stupid clean energy bombs).

The guy not only throws away Batman, he throws away his freaking family name too! Fox couldn't handle the burden of Wayne Enterprises before when Wayne let it go to ****, what's going to happen now?

Actually, maybe they would be better off. Every threat Gotham has faced, besides the Joker, has been because of Wayne Enterprises anyway. The city would be better off if everything associated with Thomas Wayne, died with him.


I always wondered what Wayne will do if Kyle leaves him or he gets sick of having a boring life as a tourist of Italy that goes to the same cafe everyday? What if he wants to chill with ballerina dancers?

Because what would happen when the day came that he finally got killed in action? That would be the end of Batman. His mission would have lasted the length of his life, but no longer.

Batman: The Animated Series said it best.


"I chose this life. I used the night. I became the night. Sooner or later, I'll go down. It might be the Joker, or Two-Face, or just some punk who gets lucky. My decision, no regrets. But I can't let anyone else pay for my mistakes."



Even the Dark Knight Returns Bruce Batman believed that a good death would be an honorable one where he's fighting the good fight against crime.

 

[Russell1982]

I agree with Khev, it would have been better if he came to terms with Batman, proved that *****, Alfred wrong and also lived a philanthropic life as Bruce Wayne (with out stupid clean energy bombs).

The guy not only throws away Batman, he throws away his freaking family name too! Fox couldn't handle the burden of Wayne Enterprises before when Wayne let it go to ****, what's going to happen now?

Actually, maybe they would be better off. Every threat Gotham has faced, besides the Joker, has been because of Wayne Enterprises anyway. The city would be better off if everything associated with Thomas Wayne, died with him.


I always wondered what Wayne will do if Kyle leaves him or he gets sick of having a boring life as a tourist of Italy that goes to the same cafe everyday? What if he wants to chill with ballerina dancers?





Batman: The Animated Series said it best.


"I chose this life. I used the night. I became the night. Sooner or later, I'll go down. It might be the Joker, or Two-Face, or just some punk who gets lucky. My decision, no regrets. But I can't let anyone else pay for my mistakes."



Even the Dark Knight Returns Bruce Batman believed that a good death would be an honorable one where he's fighting the good fight against crime.

And even The Joker, was a result of Batman. So really the Wayne's are ultimately responsible for every major threat to the city. Haha. Or I suppose you could say, their deaths are responsible for every major threat. Them dying resulted in their company making the weapons that would eventually be stolen and used against the city. And their deaths resulted in creating Batman, which in turn created The Joker. Man, its like thinking about the timeline stuff in the Terminator films.

And that Batman TAS quote sums it up perfectly. That's Batman through and through.

 

[Khev]

Because what would happen when the day came that he finally got killed in action? That would be the end of Batman. His mission would have lasted the length of his life, but no longer.

I think the hockey pads guys in TDK prove that assumption wrong. He already ensured that Gotham will always have Batmen. Would they always be as competent as him? Obviously not. But Gotham's days of taking corruption lying down were over.

Plus according to the the public's perception he DID get "killed in action" and we saw through his last will that he had already planned for a successor. So either way he was free to come to terms with being Batman and even die at some point and everything that he was trying to set up with regard to the "legend" would still have been fulfilled.

I love TDKR but there are certain elements that I go back and forth on and him retiring/not dying is one of them. That last little bit at the end is what I most wish they had done differently.

 

[Bo Shrek]

Well I just did the Nolan trilogy marathon. I like to watch them from time to time. All three are a great watch when your in the mood. Of the three I enjoy BB the best.

 

[intothevoid]

I agree with Khev, it would have been better if he came to terms with Batman, proved that *****, Alfred wrong and also lived a philanthropic life as Bruce Wayne (with out stupid clean energy bombs).

The guy not only throws away Batman, he throws away his freaking family name too! Fox couldn't handle the burden of Wayne Enterprises before when Wayne let it go to ****, what's going to happen now?

Actually, maybe they would be better off. Every threat Gotham has faced, besides the Joker, has been because of Wayne Enterprises anyway. The city would be better off if everything associated with Thomas Wayne, died with him.


I always wondered what Wayne will do if Kyle leaves him or he gets sick of having a boring life as a tourist of Italy that goes to the same cafe everyday? What if he wants to chill with ballerina dancers?





Batman: The Animated Series said it best.


"I chose this life. I used the night. I became the night. Sooner or later, I'll go down. It might be the Joker, or Two-Face, or just some punk who gets lucky. My decision, no regrets. But I can't let anyone else pay for my mistakes."



Even the Dark Knight Returns Bruce Batman believed that a good death would be an honorable one where he's fighting the good fight against crime.

Well this is a different take than the BTAS version of Batman. That's a core difference. As for throwing away the family name? He setup a school for Orphans - I'd hardly call that throwing away the family name. Also the 'real' Bruce never wanted to chill with ballerina dancers - that was just his facade.

I think the hockey pads guys in TDK prove that assumption wrong. He already ensured that Gotham will always have Batmen. Would they always be as competent as him? Obviously not. But Gotham's days of taking corruption lying down were over.

Plus according to the the public's perception he DID get "killed in action" and we saw through his last will that he had already planned for a successor. So either way he was free to come to terms with being Batman and even die at some point and everything that he was trying to set up with regard to the "legend" would still have been fulfilled.

I love TDKR but there are certain elements that I go back and forth on and him retiring/not dying is one of them. That last little bit at the end is what I most wish they had done differently.

The hockey pad guy was just a cheap imitation who thought being Batman was as simple as wearing hockey pads and carrying a gun. Bruce had to find someone with the same burning drive as himself, and someone who understood that to defeat these criminals you can't stoop to their level i.e. no guns, no killing.

Ultimately for me the trilogy is about overcoming great tragedy in your life. The fundamental one being the death of Bruce's parents, but the death of Rachel was also a revisitation of it. To overcome tragedy ultimately you need to rise above it and move on. TDKR's ending achieves that perfectly. Bruce dying wouldn't have closed the loop on that story.

 

[jye4ever]

His new movie

 

[Sachiel]

ZOMG Harvey Dent Returns!

 

[crows]

Which perfectly explains why the film was called Batman Forever. With that sub plot removed the title kind of makes no sense. Something I never really thought about when I was a kid.

It's a real shame that film didn't include all the good stuff. Could have been a much better movie.

There is a version online somewhere that someone made of Batman Forever with that stuff included I think. I remember reading about it.

but you had to use torrents to get it, so I don't know

 

[crows]

And even The Joker, was a result of Batman. So really the Wayne's are ultimately responsible for every major threat to the city. Haha. Or I suppose you could say, their deaths are responsible for every major threat. Them dying resulted in their company making the weapons that would eventually be stolen and used against the city. And their deaths resulted in creating Batman, which in turn created The Joker. Man, its like thinking about the timeline stuff in the Terminator films.

And that Batman TAS quote sums it up perfectly. That's Batman through and through.

well Without Bruce the League of Shadows would have destroyed Gotham. Then that would be it.

the story of Gotham would have ended like the ending of Begins was. With everyone freaking out. Basically there would be no joker or two face or Bane without bruce because there would be no Gotham.
The league would have been successful

 

[Chapter 2099]

Somebody needs to photoshop that pic to have him holding a Harvey Dent flyer.

 

[jye4ever]

Somebody needs to photoshop that pic to have him holding a Harvey Dent flyer.

I believe in Harvey Dent and Planet Fitness protein shakes.

 

[Chapter 2099]

I believe in Harvey Dent and Planet Fitness protein shakes.

"You wanted a white knight, Gotham?! Is this what you wanted?!? Look at me! I did this for YOOOOOUUUUUUUU!"

 

[RyanSD]

Damn shame we never got a whole movie with him as a proper Two-Face. That would've been sweet.