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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
Not true if you are talking worldwide gross as Thor and both Ironman films have made well over 400 million and Captain america has made 370 million.
Not true if you are talking worldwide gross as Thor and both Ironman films have made well over 400 million and Captain america has made 370 million.
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TDK grossed almost a billion between domestic and foreign sales, it was a beast, and I believe it will stand as an exception.
Begins grossed about $350 million, and I would wager TDKR will fall in somewhere around $300-$500 million.
TDK grossed almost a billion between domestic and foreign sales, it was a beast, and I believe it will stand as an exception.
Begins grossed about $350 million, and I would wager TDKR will fall in somewhere around $300-$500 million.
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Are we not adjusting for inflation for today's current results? If that's the case I'm sure TDKR will go above them easily then. I don't see it falling short of the Spider-Man and Iron Man films, which are smack dab between The Dark Knight and Batman 1989.
Are we not adjusting for inflation for today's current results? If that's the case I'm sure TDKR will go above them easily then. I don't see it falling short of the Spider-Man and Iron Man films, which are smack dab between The Dark Knight and Batman 1989.
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I'm just grabbing numbers off boxofficemojo.
Frankly, I don't believe in using inflation to judge box office success. It assumes that the same number of people would have bought tickets at the higher prices today, you can't assume that. How many families might have gone to Batman '89 that today might say, this movie's not worth the cost to go see. Likewise, a movie like TDK makes almost a billion at today's prices, if you back it to prices from '89, then it would have been a 2 billion film. Way I see it, the grossing are reflective of the success a movie can have at it's time, period, you can't just increase it's grossing based on rising ticket prices. I guarantee older films would not have sold as many tickets at today's prices and in the world of high def home theaters and internet piracy. Their success was largely driven by the theater being the only real option for seeing a movie until it hit VHS and that wasn't a quick turn around.
I'm just grabbing numbers off boxofficemojo.
Frankly, I don't believe in using inflation to judge box office success. It assumes that the same number of people would have bought tickets at the higher prices today, you can't assume that. How many families might have gone to Batman '89 that today might say, this movie's not worth the cost to go see. Likewise, a movie like TDK makes almost a billion at today's prices, if you back it to prices from '89, then it would have been a 2 billion film. Way I see it, the grossing are reflective of the success a movie can have at it's time, period, you can't just increase it's grossing based on rising ticket prices. I guarantee older films would not have sold as many tickets at today's prices and in the world of high def home theaters and internet piracy. Their success was largely driven by the theater being the only real option for seeing a movie until it hit VHS and that wasn't a quick turn around.
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Yeah, you're right. Every movie is of their own time and should be judged accordingly. I know lots of times though, people take the inflation into account. Still, I don't see TDKR catching TDK. I still can't believe how high it's budget is.
Though, I've been surprised before. Spider-Man 3 completely baffled me with it's turn out.
Yeah, you're right. Every movie is of their own time and should be judged accordingly. I know lots of times though, people take the inflation into account. Still, I don't see TDKR catching TDK. I still can't believe how high it's budget is.
Though, I've been surprised before. Spider-Man 3 completely baffled me with it's turn out.
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Definitely won't reach TDK numbers, movies that gross that sort of money are like a perfect storm, many factors just work out right. It's not saying anything about TDKR's quality as a film, hell I think Begins is every bit as good as TDK, it's just TDK happened to strike with a number of factors that would lead to the immense success it found. Another time, different circumstances, even TDK might not have done that well.
Definitely won't reach TDK numbers, movies that gross that sort of money are like a perfect storm, many factors just work out right. It's not saying anything about TDKR's quality as a film, hell I think Begins is every bit as good as TDK, it's just TDK happened to strike with a number of factors that would lead to the immense success it found. Another time, different circumstances, even TDK might not have done that well.
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I'm going to have to disagree with you here Maulfan. I think you really do need to adjust for things like inflation and format. Avatar only made a buttload because nearly everyone saw it in 3D, which is a good $3 or more than a normal ticket. Its supposed to pay for the glasses, but it still factors into their box office total. So they could be making a good 30% on ticket sales just due to the 3D upcharge. That doesn't mean more people went to it. I think Gone with the Wind still holds the record if you ajust for inflation and ticket prices because sooo many people went to see it. It was a mega blockbuster. Its not really fair to say TDK or Avatar made the most when their tickets were from $6-20 bucks apiece when Gone with the Wind was dealing in cents, not dollars.
I'm going to have to disagree with you here Maulfan. I think you really do need to adjust for things like inflation and format. Avatar only made a buttload because nearly everyone saw it in 3D, which is a good $3 or more than a normal ticket. Its supposed to pay for the glasses, but it still factors into their box office total. So they could be making a good 30% on ticket sales just due to the 3D upcharge. That doesn't mean more people went to it. I think Gone with the Wind still holds the record if you ajust for inflation and ticket prices because sooo many people went to see it. It was a mega blockbuster. Its not really fair to say TDK or Avatar made the most when their tickets were from $6-20 bucks apiece when Gone with the Wind was dealing in cents, not dollars.
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If TDKR BO is smaller than TDK, regardless if it's a better movie than TDK some will love to call it a failure.
If TDKR BO is smaller than TDK, regardless if it's a better movie than TDK some will love to call it a failure.
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I don't agree with this though. Yes, Gone with the Wind was a big deal, tickets were cheap so to make the money it did is impressive, but the time was different too. Movies weren't made in the numbers they are today, people weren't so oversaturated with them that they had to be something spectactular to really draw in a crowd. I really think you can only measure a film's success relative to it's time. Too many things can vary if that same movie came out in another time. Say tickets cost the same when Gone with the Wind came out as they do today, back then, that would have felt like $50-$100 to people, no way as many people would have given up as much of their income as they did. It's all relative. That's why I consider it quite a feat when a movie does numbers like this in post U.S. economy tanking days. Times are tough, budgets are tight, so if a movie can still get people to give up their precious dollars, then it has touched on something, which is why I don't see TDKR having the financial success of TDK, I don't think it has the factors to support that as TDK did. I think it'll be on par with Begins.
I don't agree with this though. Yes, Gone with the Wind was a big deal, tickets were cheap so to make the money it did is impressive, but the time was different too. Movies weren't made in the numbers they are today, people weren't so oversaturated with them that they had to be something spectactular to really draw in a crowd. I really think you can only measure a film's success relative to it's time. Too many things can vary if that same movie came out in another time. Say tickets cost the same when Gone with the Wind came out as they do today, back then, that would have felt like $50-$100 to people, no way as many people would have given up as much of their income as they did. It's all relative. That's why I consider it quite a feat when a movie does numbers like this in post U.S. economy tanking days. Times are tough, budgets are tight, so if a movie can still get people to give up their precious dollars, then it has touched on something, which is why I don't see TDKR having the financial success of TDK, I don't think it has the factors to support that as TDK did. I think it'll be on par with Begins.
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Of course, I'd say it needs to do at least $100 million better than it's budget to be considered a success. It seems consensus that if a movie barely makes back what it cost, it was a flop, which I agree, sure people are entertained, but the money and work was put in to just make your money back, might as well have held onto it. I'm sure TDKR will find big success in a broad sense, but no, it won't stack up to the top 10 grossing level, but $300-$500 is still damn respectable.
Of course, I'd say it needs to do at least $100 million better than it's budget to be considered a success. It seems consensus that if a movie barely makes back what it cost, it was a flop, which I agree, sure people are entertained, but the money and work was put in to just make your money back, might as well have held onto it. I'm sure TDKR will find big success in a broad sense, but no, it won't stack up to the top 10 grossing level, but $300-$500 is still damn respectable.
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So then what does it say about Gone With the Wind given it came out during The Great Depression (which was faaaaaaaaar worse than our recession) and still pulled those kinda ticket sales? Or did you not look into it that much before making the above post?
So then what does it say about Gone With the Wind given it came out during The Great Depression (which was faaaaaaaaar worse than our recession) and still pulled those kinda ticket sales? Or did you not look into it that much before making the above post?
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Well said Nam. That doesn't happen often The Great Depression has nothing on the Great Recession.
I think for the most part ticket prices have been relative to inflation. So people were giving up their hard earned (probably even more hardly earned than today) just as much as they are now.
And if TDKR doesn't do as well as TDK, its because Heath's death isn't boosting sales this time. Had he not died, I'm not sure TDK would have been as successful as it was. His death certainly drew people to the film, as much as we might not like to admit it. People are weird like that
So then what does it say about Gone With the Wind given it came out during The Great Depression (which was faaaaaaaaar worse than our recession) and still pulled those kinda ticket sales? Or did you not look into it that much before making the above post?
Well said Nam. That doesn't happen often The Great Depression has nothing on the Great Recession.I think for the most part ticket prices have been relative to inflation. So people were giving up their hard earned (probably even more hardly earned than today) just as much as they are now.
And if TDKR doesn't do as well as TDK, its because Heath's death isn't boosting sales this time. Had he not died, I'm not sure TDK would have been as successful as it was. His death certainly drew people to the film, as much as we might not like to admit it. People are weird like that
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It's still impressive when a movie makes a ton of money in this day and age simply because there is so much more other items for disposable income to be spent on by the general public then there was just 20 years ago, forget 60 years ago.
It's still impressive when a movie makes a ton of money in this day and age simply because there is so much more other items for disposable income to be spent on by the general public then there was just 20 years ago, forget 60 years ago.
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