The Dark Knight Rises ***USE SPOILER TAGS***

[Voorhees27]

You Nolan haters are just trying to find anything to hate on anything he does. There is one easy reason the Joker isnt in Rises. Heath is no longer with us. If he lived, who knows what they would have done for the next movie. Its ridiculous to even speculate.

This isnt the "Essential Must Make Everything Exactly Like the Comics The Dark Knight Rises"....its a single Batman story created for our enjoyment. Theres been millions of Batman stories since Detective Comics #27, 1939. There will be a million more in years to come.

Its Nolan takes on the characters. Nothing more, nothing less. If you can't enjoy it, your loss...

I'm gonna have to agree with this for the most part.

A) I don't care for comics but am a huge movie guy

B) The story will still be entertaining and thats all that matters to me.

Oh and this below

Batman Begins should be loved by all.

Attaboy.

 

[hunnipot85]

You Nolan haters are just trying to find anything to hate on anything he does. There is one easy reason the Joker isnt in Rises. Heath is no longer with us. If he lived, who knows what they would have done for the next movie. Its ridiculous to even speculate.

This isnt the "Essential Must Make Everything Exactly Like the Comics The Dark Knight Rises"....its a single Batman story created for our enjoyment. Theres been millions of Batman stories since Detective Comics #27, 1939. There will be a million more in years to come.

Its Nolan takes on the characters. Nothing more, nothing less. If you can't enjoy it, your loss...

I wasn't expecting Joker to be referenced at all in this film so his name not being mentioned or his photos, etc. not being the film don't bother me at all.

 

[The Josh]

Just because the Joker isn't in it in some way?! That's pretty damn absurd.

The film will tie the trilogy together so you don't have to worry about that.

Yeah, acting like the joker never happened kills some of the hype. If you find that absurd that's fine.

IMO its hard to tie a trilogy together acting like part of it didn't happen. At least from the info we have so far but I'll know for sure if I feel this way when it hits theaters.

 

[Deckard]

You Nolan haters are just trying to find anything to hate on anything he does. QUOTE]

Really, check out my ratings on Memento, Inception, Prestige, and Insomnia. I'm not a hater at all.

Memento - 7/10
Inception - 8.5/10
Prestige - 8/10
Insomnia - 7/10
BB - 8/10
TDK - 8/10

Nope try again kiddo.

Joker is the reason this movie is what it is. Dent - because of Joker, Broken Bruce - because of Joker. Dent's prominent, front and center, so wheres Joker? He's dead so we can't talk about him. Lame.

"You want to know how Chris got his scars?"

 

[wofford29]

Because if it is personal, its the wrong reason, The joker didn't belong to Heath and he doesn't belong to Nolan. The series is littered with great little referances and easter eggs for Batman fans.

You can write them off and say this isn't the comics all you want but look at where he's drawing the source material from, Year One to The Dark Knight Returns you can make referance after referance from these movies to the comics.

Without the comics these movies don't exist, they don't bring in anywhere near the same audience or box office. I believe Nolan really is in a place as I've already said, where he just wants out of Batman and to move on, he doesn't need it anymore, it made him superfamous, gave him a gigantic following, the chances of him one upping TDK are incredibly slim, which means he could actually stand to hurt his rep and future film box offices by making a less worthy movie now. Even Bale seems eager to keep going in his latest interview, so I guess I'm having a tough time wondering why I should get so excited especially since we already know this franchise is basically obsolete come 2014 and a new movie.

WB doesn't care. Nolan doesn't care. DC doesn't care. They own the film. I'm sure there will be a handful of people like you who will be bothered by it but I doubt WB/DC/Nolan care about that and in the end I'm willing to bet the bothered by group gets over it as well, the movie will do fine at the box office and everyone can move along and Nolan will have stood by what he believed in and the world will keep spinning.

 

[jye4ever]

I'm gonna start watching movies the way Wofford does. Plug my ears, shut my eyes, yell "LA-LA-LA!" until the final scene and then start paying attention. Because, apparently, the previous 2hrs of a film don't mean ____. It's all about the epilogue!

 

[Sachiel]

Yeah, acting like the joker never happened kills some of the hype. If you find that absurd that's fine.

IMO its hard to tie a trilogy together acting like part of it didn't happen. At least from the info we have so far but I'll know for sure if I feel this way when it hits theaters.

Are you ____ing kidding me? You must not have read much info then.

He's not acting like the Joker didn't happen. We all know it did. This movie deals with the ramifications of what happened in TDK among other things. He's just leaving it in the air about the Joker.

Do we really need to know? REALLY? Is that going to make everything that much better? Is that really going to make everything worse not to exactly know?

 

[The Josh]

Does it matter? Either way it's his decision and if it isn't necessary and he decides against it for personal reasons why can't that be respected? I'd side with my own personal stance over the potential fanboy rage 100% of the time.

The only thing is the fanboys are the ones paying to see it and if they rage against it then it flops. Now will it? No, because Nolan has a cult following that is stronger than any I can remember. Finding a way to at least reference the joker would have been the smart play.

I wouldn't say loss. TDK isn't for everyone. But Batman Begins should be loved by all.

TDK > BB everyday of the week and twice in Sunday.

 

[Voorhees27]

TDK > BB everyday of the week and twice in Sunday.

Isn't there a Lord of The Nerds thread calling your name?

 

[Deckard]

WB doesn't care. Nolan doesn't care. DC doesn't care. They own the film. I'm sure there will be a handful of people like you who will be bothered by it but I doubt WB/DC/Nolan care about that and in the end I'm willing to bet the bothered by group gets over it as well, the movie will do fine at the box office and everyone can move along and Nolan will have stood by what he believed in and the world will keep spinning.

Hey, I'm not saying it is going to make or break the movie, I'm just saying its a cop out, and a compromise from someone I thought wouldn't compromise. And it's just a shame when you have such a rich material to draw from, not to emrace it. Credit Chris all you want, I believe the real heroes of this trilogy are his brother and Goyer who wrote all of it and even drew Chris back in from the I don't want to make another standpoint.

 

[Sachiel]

Because if it is personal, its the wrong reason, The joker didn't belong to Heath and he doesn't belong to Nolan. The series is littered with great little referances and easter eggs for Batman fans.

I guess I'm having a tough time wondering why I should get so excited especially since we already know this franchise is basically obsolete come 2014 and a new movie.

Doesn't matter. It's going to happen how it's going to happen. You aren't going to get what you want and you're just beating a dead horse (or a dead Joker ).

This trilogy will be obsolete? Hardly. Maybe to those who only like what's new. It's no different than the comics or the animated series... or the rest of the film franchise. There are older Batman stories that people still love after all these years even though some things in them may be considered "obsolete" (or retconned).

 

[The Josh]

Are you ____ing kidding me? You must not have read much info then.

He's not acting like the Joker didn't happen. We all know it did. This movie deals with the ramifications of what happened in TDK among other things. He's just leaving it in the air about the Joker.

Do we really need to know? REALLY? Is that going to make everything that much better? Is that really going to make everything worse not to exactly know?

I meant not tying the joker into it. You need to calm down son.

Color me one of those that would like to know. The dynamic between batman/joke is truly what made tdk a badass flick. If this one is more like bb it will be fun but forgettable.

 

[Sachiel]

The on,y thing is the fanboys are the ones paying to see it and if they rage against it then it flops.

"Fanboys" aren't going to rage enough to make the movie flop because the Joker wasn't referenced.

 

[The Josh]

Isn't there a Lord of The Nerds thread calling your name?

Not at the moment.

 

[intothevoid]

Hey, I'm not saying it is going to make or break the movie, I'm just saying its a cop out, and a compromise from someone I thought wouldn't compromise. And it's just a shame when you have such a rich material to draw from, not to emrace it. Credit Chris all you want, I believe the real hero of this trilogy is his brother who wrote all of it and even drew Chris back in from the I don't want to make another standpoint.

Well much credit has to go to Jonathan Nolan, yes, and to Wally for the beautiful cinematography. But Jonathan wasn't involved in Begins, and it's not like Chris hasn't had a huge amount of input in the storylines.

Add to that everything he does as Director and all the first hand accounts from actors praising his work and his approach, I have to believe he is ultimately the one who deserves most credit for his films.

 

[The Josh]

"Fanboys" aren't going to rage enough to make the movie flop because the Joker wasn't referenced.

Probably not but the amount of people who are spending tons of money on accurate joker socks might say a bit otherwise. Also note when I say flop I mean compared to estimates. Man, you're getting all worked up over my opinion. Why so serious?

 

[Deckard]

Well much credit has to go to Jonathan Nolan, yes, and to Wally for the beautiful cinematography. But Jonathan wasn't involved in Begins, and it's not like Chris hasn't had a huge amount of input in the storylines.

Add to that everything he does as Director and all the first hand accounts from actors praising his work and his approach, I have to believe he is ultimately the one who deserves most credit for his films.

Yea you caught that post right away, I quickly ammended it to include Goyer. I'm much happier about Jon and David back on the reboot then I am about Chris producing it.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

I can not stop watching this trailer, so powerful.


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[Voorhees27]

I can not stop watching this trailer, so powerful.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8evyE9TuYk

Theres no doubt in my mind that TDKR will have a Begins feel to it. So i'm intending on it being very powerful indeed.

 

[intothevoid]

Yea you caught that post right away, I quickly ammended it to include Goyer. I'm much happier about Jon and David back on the reboot then I am about Chris producing it.

Oh for sure, not sure how much Chris will be adding as producer other than some general ideas about direction. As writers, Jonah and Goyer are a great team to have on the reboot