jye4ever
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I say ____ The Joker.
Goes to show you, Nolan has no respect for Adam or Kato, none whatsoever.
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I say ____ The Joker.
Goes to show you, Nolan has no respect for Adam or Kato, none whatsoever.
TDK wasn't Joker's story so there is no need to continue anything about him over to this one. As long as Dent is touched on the bridge will be firm.
jye4ever
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thenammagazine
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Kinda hard though when TDK was basically intended to advertise the Joker who was originally slated to be the main baddie for it's sequel. That's straight from the horse's mouth. So not addressing Joker at all in TDKR leaves a huge gap.
Yeah, take that Josh.
Nolan is selling a bridge, who wants to buy?
Opinions are like belly buttons everybody has one.
No it doesn't. Begins ends with the setup for the Joker. TDK ends with the setup up of maintaining Dent's image and Batman being an outlaw. Gap closed.
jye4ever
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thenammagazine
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Joker's dialogue to Batman during the "peanut butter jelly" scene tells a different tale. Dent's story ended in TDK. Joker's did not.
SnakeDoctor
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Eh. Things change. I'm fine with them moving on from Joker. Would've been great if Ledger was around to continue that story. He isn't.
I wouldn't mind them leaving some of the 8-year gap open-ended. Beyond that ... Joker will reemerge in the reboot.
SnakeDoc
I wouldn't mind them leaving some of the 8-year gap open-ended. Beyond that ... Joker will reemerge in the reboot.
SnakeDoc
Deckard
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The problem is any fan knows the Joker and Batman are tied at the hip. Many people including past/current Batman writers and people who play the Joker such as Hammil continue to say things like one cannot exist without the other. Nolan outright saying what he did closes the possiblity of him still being out there and is saying flat out, Heath is dead so this Jokers gone forever. It's taking away your ability to even imagine he's still out there. The you and I are destined to do this forever line is meaningless. The Joker goes to jail forever, never makes a plan to break out, to get revenge, it just isn't the character.
Honestly who cares if Bruce decides to be Batman forever now by the end of this, with Ra's dead, Two-Face dead, Bane likely to end up dead, and no Joker, no nods twoards other villains like Riddler, and Catwoman a good guy. He'll be there just in case Scarecrow breaks out for a 40th time.
Honestly who cares if Bruce decides to be Batman forever now by the end of this, with Ra's dead, Two-Face dead, Bane likely to end up dead, and no Joker, no nods twoards other villains like Riddler, and Catwoman a good guy. He'll be there just in case Scarecrow breaks out for a 40th time.
jye4ever
Broke and happy
Opinions are like belly buttons everybody has one.
Now you know you didn't mean belly buttons.
thenammagazine
Super Freak
Now you know you didn't mean belly buttons.
Maybe his smells like what you're implying he meant?
Yeah. Batman and Gordon spent a lot of time dwelling on Joker in their final monologue before Bats takes off from the hounds. In fact I was so distracted in TDK that there was no mention of Ra's vaporizing the cities water supply and destroying the cities rail system that I could hardly even concentrate. And then I stayed after the credits hoping for an update on Falcone's mental status in prison and if the Scarecrow was rooming with him only to be disappointed again. I also wish they would have shown Zsaz on the boat of prisoners. Horrible film.
SnakeDoctor
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I don't think he said all that. He just said Joker isn't addressed in TDKR. "Not addressed" is "not addressed". Your imagination is intact. (Interviews aren't canon. Heh.)
Nolan's just not telling any more Joker stories without Ledger.
I don't know if they'll leave Wayne's story open-ended enough for other Joker stories, or other villains, to fit in, though. Depends on how it ends, and how they deal with the 8-years. If Wayne is explicitly out-of-the-game for all 8-years, and hanging-up the cowl permanently at the end, then that pretty much closes it out.
SnakeDoc
Deckard
Super Freak
Ra's is dead. Nothing to talk about. Yet he still gets a flashback in TDKR. Falcone is insane, he doesn't matter anymore, Maroni in charge is adressing the what happened to Falcone issue, he's a non issue that could never come back and retake power. Zsasz, your comparing his role to the Joker? Scarecrows also back in this one. Jokers the reason Bruce is the way he is right now, depressed and not Batman. Its the entire plot of this movie. He killed Rachel, drove Dent insane. He turned the police against Batman and won. He's still alive, in a city where all the inmates get let loose yet he doesn't take advantage in any way or even get mentioned. Why? Not because it would hurt the movie, but because Nolans sad. That is my problem.
He doesn't need to tell a full story, but do you expect me to believe after everything the Joker did to Gotham and more particularly Wayne himself, that when Bruce hears the prisons are broke his first concern, at least once Bane is handled towards the end of the movie, wouldn't be where's the Joker?
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I didn't compare anyone's role to the Joker. I'm comparing the neccisity to mention the Joker in The Dark Knight Rises. Him dead or alive is a non issue. It doesn't matter if the Joker thinks he's destined to do this forever, most crazy people would, guess what though? He's in ____ing jail, storyline over, this isn't the comics. All the inmates breakout and the Joker's not among them? Suspend your belief to the idea they sent him to Guantanamo with Harold and Kumar. The Joker is in TDK and is an instrument to tell Dent's story, TDK closes with the monologue to set up the focus of TDKR and Joker isn't apart of it. Him not being mentioned is a non issue for the story arc's development. Would it be cool if he was? Probably. Is it in any way necessary for the plot? Not at all.
thenammagazine
Super Freak
I'm gonna start watching movies the way Wofford does. Plug my ears, shut my eyes, yell "LA-LA-LA!" until the final scene and then start paying attention. Because, apparently, the previous 2hrs of a film don't mean ____. It's all about the epilogue! 
Deckard
Super Freak
Except this isn't The Prestige trilogy, It's Batman, your asking me and other fans to write off 70 years of being told that one of these people can't or wouldn't function without the other because again, Nolans sad. 70 years of Gotham never killing or sending the Joker elsewhere, 70 years of him never acting this way, complacant, quiet, uncaring, unmotivated, short of Catotonic only because Batman dissapeared, not only does it not fit with the character's mythos for longer then you and I have been around combined, but even with the character that Nolan himself created for TDK. I don't believe that Heath's Joker would sit quietly by for a decade.
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