The Flash - July 2022

[ironwez20]

Yea I never care what RT thinks. Look at the score for tmnt 1990 on there. That’s all you need to know. That movie is damn near perfect.

 

[Garlador]

Rotten Tomatoes is a failed metric in my opinion. You do not have to go far to find wide differences in rating between critics and audience. Super Mario was a 59% by critics and most people thought it was wonderful. I take audience score more into consideration, especially for summer movies.

Apparently the kept changing the ending, even after critics saw it. Without spoilers, some of these changes are just going to make certain fans really upset.

 

[jye4ever]

In a new interview with Collider, Shannon shared some thoughts about his return to the DC Extended Universe — and they weren’t all positive. He explained that while multiverse movies create great opportunities for actors to reprise beloved roles, they often strip those roles of the humanity that made them compelling in the first place.

“Yeah. I’m not gonna lie, it wasn’t quite satisfying for me, as an actor. These multiverse movies are like somebody playing with action figures,” Shannon said about his experience making “The Flash.” “It’s like, ‘Here’s this person. Here’s that person. And they’re fighting!’ It’s not quite the in-depth character study situation that I honestly felt ‘Man of Steel’ was. Whether people think that’s crazy or not, I don’t even care. I really felt like ‘Man of Steel’ was actually a pretty sophisticated story. I feel like ‘The Flash’ is too, but it’s not Zod’s story. I’m basically there to present a challenge.”

 

[snoop101]

Man of Steel is criminally underrated in my book.

 

[lordnastrond]

The multiverse is interesting scientifically.

The idea we could interact with it (like NWH) is stupid.

Coompletely agree, once you introduce the multiverse all stakes become meaningless - a character dies? There is a literal infinite amount of them pretty much identical in every way. The earth is going to be destroyed? Plenty more of them out there.
Its too big and too strange for people to relate to on a personal level - people relate to personal stakes, not "bigger is better".
Thats why IMO the only multiverse movies people really care about are those who keep the stake personal rather than multiversal - like Everything, Everwhere All At Once and Spiderverse. Even NWH was mostly successful because it kept the stakes on the personal level.
People fall in love with characters, not sci-fi jargon.

 

[lordnastrond]

Man of Steel is criminally underrated in my book.

Gonna start by saying I actually really like MOS.
But MOS suffered from execution vs ambition.

Its take on Superman is a great idea, grounded and character-driven.

The problem, IMO is in the execution - silly little decisions by Snyder that were a touch too self-indulgent and needed to be reigned in.
For example, the drab colour filter, though part of Snyder's style, coupled with the themes and somewhat bleak atmosphere and soundtrack was just too much, having some brighter colours would have mitigated these factors all exacerbating each other.
The over-emphasis on Jesus imagery was just too much and became a little hammy.
Some more thought in the overall plot was needed, a few headscratchers in there.
Letting Pa Kent die through inaction is utterly foolish and rightly mocked - showing Clarks limits by having his father die from something out of his power like a heartattack would be more powerful.
The film needed a little more humanity, moments of fun and joy to give Clark a human connection outside his mother and Lois - which is why decisions like killing Jimmy Olson as a "joke" always infuriated me.
Have a bit more wonder, a bit more hope and a bit more fun.
None of that need detract from the vision, but rather enhance it.

Snyder's vision of an unsure Superman on a spiritual journey is a great idea - the problem is that I never feel he organically "finds" that place in the final act despite some lines paying lip-service to that sentiment - and that incomplete feeling of a heros journey, plus the overall bleak tone, left a bad taste in some of the audience's mouths.

 

[lordnastrond]

Have a friend who says he has seen this (seriously how many advance screenings have there been by now? Or am I being foolish and this is out already?)
According to him this movie is about as middle of the road a CBM as it gets.

Apparently a lot of its appeal is in juicing the old member berries and random stuff (******** was his chosen word), has a story (though nothing groundbreaking) but Miller isn't good enough to elevate it though they apparently aren't cringingly bad (though he did say it was hard watching Miller due to all the stuff in the news about them, so that may have coloured his opinion somewhat).
CGI apparently looks like ass (though I think he is usually pretty overblown in his opinions re CGI - but then again he tends to notice that stuff better than me).
He said it was a bit cheesy at times, especially when trying to evoke the member berries.

When comparing it to DCEU films/properties he said its worse than Peacemaker, The Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman, JL Snyder Cut, the first Shazam, Man of Steel and maybe on par or slightly worse than the extended BVS cut.
Says it much worse than the "Black Label" DC films like The Batman and Joker.

He said if you want a decent Flash centred story I'd be better off rewatching the first season of the CW Flash Show or the animated Flashpoint Paradox movie (both of which I've seen before and can confirm are brilliant)

He said he would have just preferred if they did a new Keaton Batman movie rather than shoehorning it into a Flash movie (he is a big Flash fan).

He also really wants them to recast Miller, which I agree with as I never really liked his take on Barry Allen (though i did like the "make your own future" scene in ZSJL).

Make of that what you will - I only shared his opinion because I genuinely have zero interest in seeing this film and thought maybe someone who does would care for his observations.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Coompletely agree, once you introduce the multiverse all stakes become meaningless - a character dies? There is a literal infinite amount of them pretty much identical in every way? The earth is going to be destroyed? Plenty more of them out there.

Yep. It's about as dangerous as a video game. You die, you come back.

Have a friend who says he has seen this (seriously how many advance screenings have there been by now? Or am I being foolish and this is out already?)
According to him this movie is about as middle of the road a CBM as it gets.

Apparently a lot of its appeal is in appeals to the old member berries

Not shocking, precisely what I expected. Exactly what Hollywood sells these days.

Safe rubbery characters brought back from your nostalgia. Yippee!

 

[Wor-Gar]

 

[lordnastrond]

 

[Prime Clone]

“Yeah. I’m not gonna lie, it wasn’t quite satisfying for me, as an actor.

But hopefully a little more satisfying than his role in BvS!

 

[T8OO]

But hopefully a little more satisfying than his role in BvS!

He wasn't in BvS. Even if he was at least he's playing the same character not "another version" of him which was his issue here.

 

[Zurdo95D]

 

[Prime Clone]

He wasn't in BvS. Even if he was at least he's playing the same character not "another version" of him which was his issue here.

Let's just say his performance in BvS was a little lifeless.

 

[T8OO]

Let's just say his performance in BvS was a little lifeless.

It was a prop.

 

[Sachiel]

No, it was really him. He had to wear flippers on his hands.

 

[T8OO]

No, it was really him. He had to wear flippers on his hands.

I stand corrected. It was still an acting tour de force.

 

[ironwez20]

Which one of y’all participated in this?

 

[T8OO]

Which one of y’all participated in this?

It's cringey but it looks like they're having fun with it and raising money for charity. Good on them I say.

 

[ironwez20]

It's cringey but it looks like they're having fun with it and raising money for charity. Good on them I say.

You should of have a solo part in the video