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Batman, Returns, Superman the Movie and Superman II all run over 2 hours and don't feel like it. I'm going to assume this feels every bit three hours long? :lol

There's probably others, but off the top of my head Braveheart is the only three hour film I don't feel like it's wasting my time nor do I ever feel bored.
 
Batman, Returns, Superman the Movie and Superman II all run over 2 hours and don't feel like it. I'm going to assume this feels every bit three hours long? :lol

There's probably others, but off the top of my head Braveheart is the only three hour film I don't feel like it's wasting my time nor do I ever feel bored.

Oh, that would be great because it felt like 6 to me!
 
BvS feels really long. I think we watched about 40 minutes of the extended cut and I felt like we'd been watching for much, much longer. As for other long movies, I know the entire LOTR trilogy director cut is over 11 hours long. I think The Hobbit trilogy is over 9 hours.
 
BvS feels really long. I think we watched about 40 minutes of the extended cut and I felt like we'd been watching for much, much longer. As for other long movies, I know the entire LOTR trilogy director cut is over 11 hours long. I think The Hobbit trilogy is over 9 hours.

It's cool that fans of Middle Earth have 20 hours of film to immerse themselves in.
 
It's cool that fans of Middle Earth have 20 hours of film to immerse themselves in.

I'm not a big fan of The Hobbit films, but I absolutely love LOTR. I've watched those films more times than I'd care to admit. I can't imagine them being done any better than Peter Jackson did them.
 
I'm not a big fan of The Hobbit films, but I absolutely love LOTR. I've watched those films more times than I'd care to admit. I can't imagine them being done any better than Peter Jackson did them.

I haven't watched LOTR for years now - I'd love to give them all a full watch again soon.

PJ did a great job with them. I fear they will be remade in the future though for a 'new generation'.
 
I like Watchmen--even with the changes I think it's an entertaining movie. The director's cut is pretty long though. I've probably only sat through the entire thing once.
 
yeah def dig it too. just over 3 hours doing anything gets boring... even fun stuff. hell those captains last friday did a # on me in just over 2 hrs... thank god i didn't go for 3! lol
 
The suit looks goofy but was better on the show because it was always darkly lit. Still better than this piece of ****

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Maybe it's just me, but they could've used a CGI poop emoji and I wouldn't have given a ****. I'll be honest, I've never understood the sanctity of that character, much less the death of Superman, and, truth be told, I'm glad they got it out of the way this early, where they can't afford to further complicate things with the whole "reign of the supermen" or whatever. Honestly, though, that story, and Doomsday, for that matter, however well executed, to me, represent exactly what made '90s comics terrible, and, to tell the truth, jumpstarted all of this death and resurrection bull**** that we've seen over the years.

It wasn't the first time a characterer had died, but, up to that point, when Barry Allen kicked the bucket saving the multiverse, he stayed dead for what? 30 years, give or take, until Johns decided to have him rise up from the abyss (which, I should mention, was a good 15 years or so after the death and return of Superman). Point being, everyone talks about how extreme '90s comics were in terms of the shoulder pads and linework and giant, badass anti-heroes, but what's more extreme than killing the ******* Man of Tomorrow? Killing him with a 1-dimensional version of the Hulk (given that the most interesting thing about the Hulk is the whole Jekyll and Hyde dynamic) who is nothing more than a walking plot device, who, in the service of being "extreme" is covered in badass bone spikes to compliment his silver ponytail.

Then, of course, came the period of time where they pulled their heads out of their ***** and realized what they'd done, only to have it be revealed that he wasn't actually dead at all and that it was just some sort of medically induced space coma? All of this, of course, after Lois and Jimmy and Perry and all of Metropolis, and, hell, the world, wept for their hero while some ********* in a leather jacket, a dude with a sledgehammer and a suit of armor, an evil robot, and some weird even more convoluted **** with a dude possessed by an alien or ancient Kryptonian or whatever the **** tried to take his place? I actually applaud Snyder for not even trying to hide the fact that Superman is coming back and using his "death" as a form of actualization, rather than deconstruction.

People like to ***** about how Superman wasn't Superman in Snyder's films, and they also like to ***** about how Snyder uses Superman as some sort of allegory for Christ. Honestly, I'll judge Cavill's Superman after I've seen Justice League, as, if the latter's to be believed, he won't actually be Superman until after the resurrection. So far, you could pretty much measure the trajectory of his character arc, and, while there have been flashes of the Superman we know, I don't think we truly saw him accept that part of himself until he flew at Doomsday with the spear.
 
The Death of Superman storyline was a prime example of the horrible 90's comic industry. Gimmick death, gimmick false Supermen, and issue reprints/multiple gimmick covers gave it a place in history more for being a marketing event than a good story. That being said, Doomsday as a character is a powerful character in Superman lore. He's the product of a Kryptonian experiment, which gives the reader insight into the darker side of Superman's people that we hadn't seen before. Where Lex is seen as a villain trying to beat Superman's brawn with his mind and failing, Doomsday was the only character (at the time) that could pose a significant physical danger to Superman, which readers hadn't seen before, and not only hurt the Man of Steel but accomplish what Lex had never been able to do. As for the film, I never expected Snyder to try to incorporate the fake Supermen into the DC film universe, but the Death of Superman could have been a very powerful story told over the course of an entire movie--not just thrown in because DC felt like they needed a big closing act in the last 20 minutes of an already overstuffed film. Superman's death in BvS was a gimmick and the love for him for his sacrifice--neither from the world nor Batman--wasn't earned. Wonder Woman had Doomsday on the ropes--give her the kryptonite spear and she could have beaten him. Doomsday should have been used in a film that showed Superman was the only being that could have stopped him. More time should have been given to Cavill's Superman in other films so the audience was emotionally invested in the character.

I typed this on my phone so it's probably jumbled and incoherent, but WB wasted both Superman and Doomsday in their rush to make money. And they didn't even get that.
 
The Death of Superman storyline was a prime example of the horrible 90's comic industry. Gimmick death, gimmick false Supermen, and issue reprints/multiple gimmick covers gave it a place in history more for being a marketing event than a good story. That being said, Doomsday as a character is a powerful character in Superman lore. He's the product of a Kryptonian experiment, which gives the reader insight into the darker side of Superman's people that we hadn't seen before. Where Lex is seen as a villain trying to beat Superman's brawn with his mind and failing, Doomsday was the only character (at the time) that could pose a significant physical danger to Superman, which readers hadn't seen before, and not only hurt the Man of Steel but accomplish what Lex had never been able to do. As for the film, I never expected Snyder to try to incorporate the fake Supermen into the DC film universe, but the Death of Superman could have been a very powerful story told over the course of an entire movie--not just thrown in because DC felt like they needed a big closing act in the last 20 minutes of an already overstuffed film. Superman's death in BvS was a gimmick and the love for him for his sacrifice--neither from the world nor Batman--wasn't earned. Wonder Woman had Doomsday on the ropes--give her the kryptonite spear and she could have beaten him. Doomsday should have been used in a film that showed Superman was the only being that could have stopped him. More time should have been given to Cavill's Superman in other films so the audience was emotionally invested in the character.

I typed this on my phone so it's probably jumbled and incoherent, but WB wasted both Superman and Doomsday in their rush to make money. And they didn't even get that.

It's not jumbled nor is it incoherent. In fact, you pretty much hit the nail on the head.
 
The Death of Superman storyline was a prime example of the horrible 90's comic industry. Gimmick death, gimmick false Supermen, and issue reprints/multiple gimmick covers gave it a place in history more for being a marketing event than a good story. That being said, Doomsday as a character is a powerful character in Superman lore. He's the product of a Kryptonian experiment, which gives the reader insight into the darker side of Superman's people that we hadn't seen before. Where Lex is seen as a villain trying to beat Superman's brawn with his mind and failing, Doomsday was the only character (at the time) that could pose a significant physical danger to Superman, which readers hadn't seen before, and not only hurt the Man of Steel but accomplish what Lex had never been able to do. As for the film, I never expected Snyder to try to incorporate the fake Supermen into the DC film universe, but the Death of Superman could have been a very powerful story told over the course of an entire movie--not just thrown in because DC felt like they needed a big closing act in the last 20 minutes of an already overstuffed film. Superman's death in BvS was a gimmick and the love for him for his sacrifice--neither from the world nor Batman--wasn't earned. Wonder Woman had Doomsday on the ropes--give her the kryptonite spear and she could have beaten him. Doomsday should have been used in a film that showed Superman was the only being that could have stopped him. More time should have been given to Cavill's Superman in other films so the audience was emotionally invested in the character.

I typed this on my phone so it's probably jumbled and incoherent, but WB wasted both Superman and Doomsday in their rush to make money. And they didn't even get that.

See, personally, I'd rather get the story this way than halfway through. Personally, I think it has the potential to be a powerful move, but, unless you're going all the way with it, it's best to just get it out of the way. When I say go all the way with it, I mean not even bother with the return. Film is a different medium than comics, so, I feel like it could be a real gutpunch if Superman's final act of heroism in a singular iteration was to sacrifice himself for the greater good. The whole Return just takes the sting right out of it, if you're playing it for dramatic effect.
 
Hokuto No Ken is to me what Berserk is to Pliss. Love the manga and anime to bits.



No arguments here. Then again, it's about the equivalent of four Hot Toys figures...

I would get one when I get my tax return, but I really should get a new refrigerator and bed instead. Maybe in two years I'll snag one. I used my Bamboo tablet a whole hellva lot.
 
See, personally, I'd rather get the story this way than halfway through. Personally, I think it has the potential to be a powerful move, but, unless you're going all the way with it, it's best to just get it out of the way. When I say go all the way with it, I mean not even bother with the return. Film is a different medium than comics, so, I feel like it could be a real gutpunch if Superman's final act of heroism in a singular iteration was to sacrifice himself for the greater good. The whole Return just takes the sting right out of it, if you're playing it for dramatic effect.

I see what you're saying, I just don't agree with you. I think they did a disservice to the character when they tossed in the death of Superman just to hit a plot beat in an already overstuffed movie. They portrayed Superman as mistrusted and hated by the world for part of MOS and all of BvS then after a 20 minute fight in which he didn't need to die (since WW could have used the spear) Batman and the world all of a sudden love him? It's rushed and sloppy with no emotional build up just so they can give Batman a reason to not be a **** in future films. With the confirmation 5 minutes after the fight that Superman isn't dead, they even rushed the "OMG, Superman is dead!" feeling that a few people may have had. They did such a poor job writing the characters and the film as a whole that DC reduced themselves to pulling out a gimmick from the 90's and the result is the same--quality of story sacrificed for marketing.
 
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