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[greygoose]

Dave posted his comment in there also.

Cheers Snoop! Progress!

 

[Snake Plissken]

So Year One first then?...

Really depends on the order you want to read it. DKR is essentially "the end" in relative terms, so it's up to you if you want to have that as a starting point.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

Cheers dude! DKR as a starting point?

I agree with Snake. I'd start with Year One.

DKR is a well-told story, but I think it's been worshipped on a level that's undeserved. Miller really started going crazy with the sequels though.

 

[Shawpaw]

I really enjoyed Earth One batman as well. Some good stand-alone reboots

 

[Plastic Bateman]

Cheers dude! DKR as a starting point?

I would suggest going in order of Batman's career, so Year One.

Year One established a new continuity for Batman post-COIE, and DKR is basically the perfect end to the Batman story (do not, ever, read the two sequels to it) that also fits into Year One's continuity. That said, I suggest reading the 70's O'Neil/Adams run on the main comic first - not only do they represent some of the best pre-COIE DC comics (at least in my opinion), but it's also when Batman first took a turn for the darker, and a lot of comics since subtly pay their dues to those old issues.

This is just my red-hot opinion and others are welcome to disagree, but the majority of American comics just aren't worth reading. Most characters have maybe three or four really good runs over the course of their existence and a couple of standout, character-defining storylines. The rest is just so much filler.

 

[Snake Plissken]

I agree with Snake. I'd start with Year One.

DKR is a well-told story, but I think it's been worshipped on a level that's undeserved. Miller really started going crazy with the sequels though.

I know they did two sequels, but I just read Miller is doing a fourth. Just leave well enough alone.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Year One established a new continuity for Batman post-COIE, and DKR is basically the perfect end to the Batman story (do not, ever, read the two sequels to it) that also fits into Year One's continuity. That said, I suggest reading the 70's O'Neil/Adams run on the main comic first - not only do they represent some of the best pre-COIE DC comics (at least in my opinion), but it's also when Batman first took a turn for the darker, and a lot of comics since subtly pay their dues to those old issues.

This is just my red-hot opinion and others are welcome to disagree, but the majority of American comics just aren't worth reading. Most characters have maybe three or four really good runs over the course of their existence and a couple of standout, character-defining storylines. The rest is just so much filler.

Agreed. Aren't they mostly tanking in sales?

You're absolutely right about there being a small window of actual good stories to go by on any particular character. As much as I love Wolverine, he's got a lot of **** one offs and miniseries garbage.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

Year One established a new continuity for Batman post-COIE, and DKR is basically the perfect end to the Batman story (do not, ever, read the two sequels to it) that also fits into Year One's continuity. That said, I suggest reading the 70's O'Neil/Adams run on the main comic first - not only do they represent some of the best pre-COIE DC comics (at least in my opinion), but it's also when Batman first took a turn for the darker, and a lot of comics since subtly pay their dues to those old issues.

This is just my red-hot opinion and others are welcome to disagree, but the majority of American comics just aren't worth reading. Most characters have maybe three or four really good runs over the course of their existence and a couple of standout, character-defining storylines. The rest is just so much filler.

I've been reading way more independent titles over the years. They are still trying to tell original stories. Marvel and DC are really just doing constant reboots to sell books with #1 on them since people buy those more than anything.

 

[Snake Plissken]

I've been reading way more independent titles over the years. They are still trying to tell original stories. Marvel and DC are really just doing constant reboots to sell books with #1 on them since people buy those more than anything.

I gave the Ultimate Marvel series a chance in the early 2000s and felt scammed. X-Men was ****ing terrible.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

 

[Plastic Bateman]

Agreed. Aren't they mostly tanking in sales?

You're absolutely right about there being a small window of actual good stories to go by on any particular character. As much as I love Wolverine, he's got a lot of **** one offs and miniseries garbage.

Compare sales figures today to the eighties and nineties and it's enough to make an accountant weep

As I've gotten older, I've come to appreciate Eurocomics a hell of a lot more. They're a lot less afraid on the continent of pitching comics squarely at adults, they often don't seem to give a damn about breaking taboos, and they have jaw-droppingly beautiful artwork.

 

[Snake Plissken]

That speaks with color alone. I need to get around to reading the Dredd comics.

 

[Plastic Bateman]

That speaks with color alone. I need to get around to reading the Dredd comics.

Dredd's a pretty fantastic ride from start to present. It's really interesting watching the character age in real time, that's definitely something you don't get with American comics. It also adds a hell of a lot of tension to the newer stories, as you're constantly wondering how much longer this 70+ year-old man, past his prime and riddled with cancer, can go on for...

That image above is from a comic called The Incal, by Chilean filmmaker Alejandro Jodorowsky and French artist Jean 'Moebius' Giraud. I can't recommend the comics in the 'Jodoverse' enough, The Metabarons especially is an incredible story from start to finish.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Dredd's a pretty fantastic ride from start to present. It's really interesting watching the character age in real time, that's definitely something you don't get with American comics. It also adds a hell of a lot of tension to the newer stories, as you're constantly wondering how much longer this 70+ year-old man, past his prime and riddled with cancer, can go on for...

That image above is from a comic called The Incal, by Chilean filmmaker Alejandro Jodorowsky and French artist Jean 'Moebius' Giraud. I can't recommend the comics in the 'Jodoverse' enough, The Metabarons especially is an incredible story from start to finish.

He's 70s in the comics now? That's definitely something American comics wouldn't have balls to do. It gets stale seeing characters stay young for decades.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

In the new Dredd comic they just sent him into the future instead of aging him.

**I should specify that this is in the IDW monthly comic.

 

[greygoose]

Thanks for the feedback guys! I'll let you know.

 

[crows]

wtf is this

 

[Plastic Bateman]

In the new Dredd comic they just sent him into the future instead of aging him.

**I should specify that this is in the IDW monthly comic.

We don't talk about the IDW ongoing...

 

[GeneralZodLives]

Is anyone getting the BvS Batman figure? Looks like it's shipping soon.

 

[Snake Plissken]

wtf is this

A mistake. My girl is a huge fan of the original, and this will tempt her to punch a hole in our monitor.

What's with the dress?