The Iceberg Lounge aka GeneralZodLives's Phantom Zone

[GeneralZodLives]

 

[Chuck72586]

The only positive thing going forward for the DC films is Wonder Woman 2, and the fact that it seems likely Affleck is done, and Reeves Batman will be it's own thing. Other then that, the fact that a movie like Suicide Squad 2 is still happening, and rumors keep popping up for MOS 2 is really disheartening. Apart from Wonder Woman, and Aquaman (only because WB foolishly filmed it before seeing how JL did) this universe needs to die. Yet, here we are with rumors of Flashpoint, Suicide Squad 2, and MOS 2 all still happening. Cavill's Superman, to me, especially needs to go away. How they can justify bringing him back when his three films have all under performed at the box office, and been panned by critics is beyond me. His Superman is terrible. Really, JL was just one big retcon where WB wants people to forget the awfulness that was BvS, and MOS. Well, I'd like to forget JL, too, because he was crap in that as well. How is that any way to continue with a franchise? Is it too much to ask for a franchise that's respectable, and not so awful I have to forget three films in order to enjoy the fourth? Apparently it is...

 

[GeneralZodLives]

I actually like Cavill as Superman. I just wish he'd been given scripts that allowed him to be Superman. These new DC films have been killed by the writers then buried by the directors with the studio helping pat down the grave dirt. These characters have certain characteristics that are universally recognized by hardcore and casual fans alike. If you don't get them right, then the quality of the story doesn't matter--you've already failed.

 

[Jameson Rook]

I’m just shocked (and relieved) that there is only one of these damn movies this year compared to Marvel with several. There are much controversy around MOS2, SS2, The Batman, Batgirl, Joker & Harley, Joker Origin and Gotham Sirens that you get the impression that they announce these movies without knowing what to do with them. Heck, even effin’ Batman has that so called “Batman Curse” now.

 

[Pro Design]

i want to see that nick cage superman movie they started filming...
then the new runs in the series prolly wouldn't seem so bad! lol

 

[Jameson Rook]

i want to see that nick cage superman movie they started filming...
then the new runs in the series prolly wouldn't seem so bad! lol

Have you seen the documentary “The Death of Superman Lives” about the film released a few years back? It seemed... bizarre.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

That documentary was a great look into how it just takes one or two people to ruin a license. Everything they showed for the film looked like it was going to be a ****ing train wreck. Part of me wishes they would have made it just to see how awful it turned out.

 

[Pro Design]

yeah the documentary was very odd ball indeed! i'm in the same boat... looks like it would have been SO bad that you would have to see it!!

 

[GeneralZodLives]

This guy is ****ing crazy. I don't know how he got anyone to work with him for so many years or how no one filed law suits against him for assault, harassment, etc. At least he got his big stupid ****ing spider so he could shut the **** up about it.

 

[Underaglassbell]

I actually like Cavill as Superman. I just wish he'd been given scripts that allowed him to be Superman. These new DC films have been killed by the writers then buried by the directors with the studio helping pat down the grave dirt. These characters have certain characteristics that are universally recognized by hardcore and casual fans alike. If you don't get them right, then the quality of the story doesn't matter--you've already failed.

It's been a waste of so much talent.

Cavill isn't the only one. Obviously he's the one that ultimately matters.

Amy Adams - Provided with scraps, medicare story arc, waste of a power actress. She could/should have been an awesome Lois Lane.

Ben Affleck - Taken an actor looking forward to playing a part. Given him nothing to work with, and now he wants out. I personally liked BatFleck, he was the only decent thing (warehouse beat down) about BVS, WW doesn't really count as she was there because reasons. Lux was an abomination.

Gal Gadot - Probably the one character thus to have 'justice' given to her Character and for me her standalone movie is the only decent offering to come out the DCEU

 

[Pro Design]

This guy is ****ing crazy. I don't know how he got anyone to work with him for so many years or how no one filed law suits against him for assault, harassment, etc. At least he got his big stupid ****ing spider so he could shut the **** up about it.

who is that?

 

[Snake Plissken]

I actually like Cavill as Superman. I just wish he'd been given scripts that allowed him to be Superman. These new DC films have been killed by the writers then buried by the directors with the studio helping pat down the grave dirt. These characters have certain characteristics that are universally recognized by hardcore and casual fans alike. If you don't get them right, then the quality of the story doesn't matter--you've already failed.

I would probably feel different about him if he wasn't under such a ****** director.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

who is that?

John Peters. He’s the one that would wrestle employees, bring his kids to get their opinions, and wanted Superman to fight a giant spider.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

I would probably feel different about him if he wasn't under such a ****** director.

I liked him in The Tudors and The Man From U.N.C.L.E. He know he can pull off a great Superman if given the chance.

 

[Underaglassbell]

I liked him in The Tudors and The Man From U.N.C.L.E. He know he can pull off a great Superman if given the chance.

He was brilliant in The Man From U.N.C.L.E.
- I'm looking forward to seeing him in the next MI too as 'August Walker' hah

 

[Snake Plissken]

I liked him in The Tudors and The Man From U.N.C.L.E. He know he can pull off a great Superman if given the chance.

He has all the earmarks that could make him a good Supe. You just won't get it under current WB management. They're already in too deep to reboot it at this point.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

He was brilliant in The Man From U.N.C.L.E.
- I'm looking forward to seeing him in the next MI too as 'August Walker' hah

I am too. I'm also hoping they consider him for Bond again when Craig is done with the role.

 

[Dash]

I am too. I'm also hoping they consider him for Bond again when Craig is done with the role.

 

[Shawpaw]

Agreed on all points Zod. Though, I really don't see the charm Cavill would have as Supes. But then again, he doesn't have the best opportunities. I'm just a Reeve loyalist. He was Superman to me and I'm not always cognitively flexible when it comes to Superman

 

[Chuck72586]

I actually like Cavill as Superman. I just wish he'd been given scripts that allowed him to be Superman. These new DC films have been killed by the writers then buried by the directors with the studio helping pat down the grave dirt. These characters have certain characteristics that are universally recognized by hardcore and casual fans alike. If you don't get them right, then the quality of the story doesn't matter--you've already failed.

I agree he could have been better under a different director, and a better script that actually had a clue about who the character is, but it is what it is at this point. Three movies all ranging from mediocre at best, to just plain terrible at worst with box office returns that also failed to meet expectations. MOS, while it's numbers were decent, didn't do as well as it could have. BvS, again, not terrible numbers, but that was mostly helped by the novelty of Batman, and Superman appearing in a film together for the first time. If the movie was anywhere near halfway decent it would have cracked a billion easily. Lastly, there's JL... The box office returns for that are not decent, or respectable in any way, shape or form. It's laughable how poorly that movie did. Granted, another solo movie with Cavill likely wouldn't be the disaster JL was, but really, how much of an improvement can there really be when it comes to the box office? It just doesn't feel like there's much room for a lot of growth going forward.

Add all that stuff up, and again, I just don't see how it makes any sense to to bring Cavill back. IMO his Superman just hasn't left any kind of impression on general audiences, and if it did, it was for all the wrong reasons like snapping Zod's neck, "Save Martha!" or his ridiculous CGI upper lip in JL. In ten years when people talk about his Superman, those are the things he's going to be remembered for. It's unfortunate because he seems like a good guy, who's a great ambassador for the character, but so was Brandon Routh back in the day, and we all know what happened there.

One last thing with Cavill is how many more movies does he realistically have left in him, anyway? Anything more then two doesn't feel very realistic. I guess he could do more then that, but if it is only one, or two I just don't see the point in continuing. Especially if the other movies end up being guest appearances in Shazam or Flashpoint. I've had enough of this shared universe crap. WB tried, and they failed. Go back to what works. Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises, and Wonder Woman. All good movies that either flat out existed in their own universe, or had very little to do with the expanded universe in the case of Wonder Woman. Hell, you could even throw MOS on that list. I don't think it's particularly good, but it's by far the best of the three films Cavill has been in, and a big part of that is the fact that it wasn't part of some half-assed shared universe. Leave that **** to Marvel.