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Well, that's you then. I ____ing LOVE Casino and Goodfellas, and every character in that movie is incredibly interesting. Especially the more nasty ones. To be specific, Joe Pesci in both flicks. :lol

This guy was way worse. As a kid he tied cats on electrical line by their tails.
 
Plus if you ever knew any wiseguys, they are bullies and d bags. Nothing to glorify and definitely not fascinating. They are closer to Jersey Shore than Goodfellas. That I do know and Kuklinski seems to be the king d bag.
 
This is a little before your time. Not saying that to belittle either. This guy needs to be wiped off the face of the earth. Hell people want Vick the QB of the Eagles put to death because of what he did to dogs. This guy is well deserving of a very public violent and viscous death. And as intimidating as he try's to come off in interviews I would be happy to be locked up with him for a bit.

First you reply to it giving me information....

This guy was way worse. As a kid he tied cats on electrical line by their tails.

Then you give me more information...

Easy because you already think he is "cool" and interesting. :rotfl

And then you insult me subtly. :???:

How many BadMoons are there? :lol

I don't know who he is. I'm looking at it from a film point of view. Purely. I never said he's a cool, interesting person. I just think the movie might be interesting. I mean the cast is good.
 
Highly unlikely anyone will be getting glorified in this film. I'm very interested in it for the cast alone. Anyone that murders is a deuche so that's not entering into my equation of seeing this film. How many movies are based on Ed Gein? I don't see that stopping anyone's enjoyment of TCM or Silence of the Lambs. I enjoyed the ____ out of Zodiac as well. It's a movie.
 
How many movies are based on Ed Gein? I don't see that stopping anyone's enjoyment of TCM or Silence of the Lambs. I enjoyed the ____ out of Zodiac as well. It's a movie.
Not that I'm disagreeing with your sentiment, but TCM and Silence were only very loosely influenced by Ed Gein, and Zodiac didn't glorify that killer. Based on the poster here, I'm guessing the character from this movie will be promoted as some kind of "cool" anti-hero that the studio is hoping a certain demographic will buy posters and shirts of. If that happens, and if it's a real person who did horrible things, then that would be lame IMO. The glorification of Alex from A Clockwork Orange is really disturbing to me on some levels despite the fact that he's fictional. But, you're right. Just movies.
 
This guy is dead they say natural cause he have a brother too in jail and was kill too, they never talk each and other.
 
I honestly think that Shannon would have a lot more integrity than to glorify a mass murderer. I really do believe he would not be interested if that is what he thought he was doing. He is going to portray a scumbag for sure but unfortunately a lot of people like to see that s__t. I am going to love this film a) because I really enjoyed the book and I am just compelled by characters like this and b) I rate Shannon as one of the very best actors working today and he is perfect for the role.

Will I go buy a t-shirt? No of course I won't and I don't see others doing the same. I don't think anybody will think the guy is cool and a antihero I just think people will enjoy the film, is that so bad?
 
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Just from his interviews and documentaries. He was a typical greaseball scumbag that bragged about his murders. I have no problem with him killing other mobsters but when he boasts about shooting a guy in the head with a crossbow just to test it out. There's nothing fascinating there for me. That could have been anyone. I just don't find gangsters entertaining, in general.

That's another lie (the cross bow killing) doubt that ever happened. He said he was sitting in his car asked a guy to come to his window and shot him with a cross bow. I would love to see a guy hold a cross bow on his front lap without the guy seeing it and having room to even aim the thing out the window. Just another one of his fantasy murders.

Same as looking threw a peep whole on the outside of a door and him saying you can see the light go away when the guy looked through the hole and he shot him through the peep whole, yeah okay, and he bragged the door was an expensive door as well. When he brags you can tell he is mostly lying, when he talks about a murder that is proven you can see he actually is slightly remorseful or at least is showing some emotion, not stoned face like he is when talking about murders that is only hearsay.

He also claims to have Killed Roy Demeo and claims to have killed many people with him and Roys crew. That is a lie, l read the book "Murder Machine" about Roy and The Iceman had nothing to do with him. Roys own crew killed him, is is proven that's what happpend.

In the Iceman book he says he was part of the crew that killed Jimmy Hoffa, again sure.
 
Will I go buy a t-shirt? No of course I won't and I don't see others doing the same. I don't think anybody will think the guy is cool and a antihero I just think people will enjoy the film, is that so bad?
I didn't mean to suggest that all fans of a film like this would fit into that category, but some probably will. Charismatic, but sociopathic scumbags tend to attract people for some reason or other, and filmmakers exploit that. More thoughtful filmmakers like a David Cronenberg or Stanley Kubrick, will often intentionally glorify characters and revolt audiences at the same time so they make audiences question what it is that they are really thinking and feeling. But many won't.
 
^ Like Rorschach. Alan Moore does not get why people like him. He's a nasty person. But....we all love that anti hero that no one likes. He's an underdog. While we don't agree with him. He is a really interesting character.
 
^ Like Rorschach. Alan Moore does not get why people like him. He's a nasty person. But....we all love that anti hero that no one likes. He's an underdog. While we don't agree with him. He is a really interesting character.

Rorshach is a fictional character so when he bashes in a pedophile's head or goes to jail we can root for him without feeling guilty because it's not effecting anyone in real life when we walk out of the theatre. No one got hurt.

Theres no room for comparison to an actual psychotic delusional murderer/liar who's killed innocent people for "practice". But at the same time, this isn't new, look at Goodfellas and how many people love Henry Hill etc.

Having said that, I'll see it as Teddy said, for Shannon whos a great actor and to see what they do with it.
 
I was just comparing characters in a film. Real or not.

But we'll see how the flick is. If it's a big ol action fest with the main character as an antihero, it might be incredibly distasteful.
 
From a filmmaking standpoint, it is tough to go the other way and make the main character utterly unlikable though. If you do that, you are not gonna make much money off of the film. A good example is Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer. I would imagine that is one of the more realistic portrayals of how a genuine, real life serial killer would behave, and as a result, he's got little to no redeeming qualities and most people are revolted by the character in the film (or at least, I would hope that they are!). But as a result, the film would not have been funded by a major production studio as mainstream audiences won't go anywhere near it. I haven't seen anyone clamoring for a custom figure of Henry for good reason, though many want Travis Bickle from Taxi Driver, who had some kind of code and was portrayed in a much more likable way by Deniro, but was still a deluded psychopathic killer (like Rorschach in some ways). As long as your homicidal psychopath has a moral code that folks can agree with on some level (i.e., Punisher, Rorschach, Dexter, Bickle) folks get into it, and of course, folks also get behind over the top crazy/monster killers that couldn't exist in the real world (i.e., Jason Voorhees, Michael Myers, Patrick Bateman) despite them not being ethical in any way. I like some characters in both categories myself, but they are, in general, fundamentally different from real world killers.
 
Downfall is an amazing film with one of the best performances of the decade. It completely personalized the monster but it didn't glorify him and it certainly wasn't a recruiting tool for the hipster youth and it doesn't get any worse than Hitler. This film will be no different in its approach.
 
:lecture:exactly:

I was thinking the very same thing earlier. At the end of the day this is just a part of our history as is the holocaust. Shall we not talk about that through fear of glorifying Nazis? No of course not!

People are intrigued in the atrocities committed by some very evil people in this world (that doesn't make you evil for being intrigued). By not talking about it it is not going to somehow undo what has been done nor is it going to glorify them if we do. I just honestly don't understand the argument.
 
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I suppose the premise is no different than "Goodfellas" (one of my all-time favorites)

It's just a Hollywood thing. (catchy titles)
 
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