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She couldn't get over it in a couple thousands?
Galadriel is immortal and older than the Sun - time works differently for Elves and wounds cut deeper for longer.
What would be aeons for us is recent history for them.
Also - as I said, there is the practical adaptational reason - its more interesting for the audience if Galadriel's character arc happens on screen rather than off-screen thus resulting in her remaining a flat character for the entirety of the show's run.
 
Galadriel is immortal and older than the Sun - time works differently for Elves and wounds cut deeper for longer.
What would be aeons for us is recent history for them.
Also - as I said, there is the practical adaptational reason - its more interesting for the audience if Galadriel's character arc happens on screen rather than off-screen thus resulting in her remaining a flat character for the entirety of the show's run.
She would be a rather flat character from what I can tell since she is so old. Time is time. It is a constant in the universe. I doubt someone as profound and strong as Galadriel would hold such a grudge over thousands of years. But you also have people who only count what Tolkien published since he was alive because he was always tinkering with the lore. Some only only count the Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings and the Silmarillion. Some will take the those five and add the Unfinished Tales. And you can go on from there.
I never said she was on a quest for revenge? Only that she was partly fueled by her wrath for Faenor - which was legendary with them being "unfriends forever" after he and his followers attacked her mother's and husband's kin and she rallied to their defence. Tolkien explicitly says she cursed Faenor all the way across the Grinding Ice and desired to "thwart" him. The only reason she doesn't take direct action against him is because he is already dead by the time she crosses the Helcaraxe.
Or to quote Tolkien himself "“Even after the merciless assault upon the Teleri and the **** of their ships, though she fought fiercely against Feanor in defence of her mother's kin, she did not turn back. Her pride was unwilling to return, a defeated suppliant for pardon; but now she burned with desire to follow Feanor with her anger to whatever lands he might come, and to thwart him in all ways that she could."
So.......... maybe actually check in with Tolkien before you try to make high-handed statements about what's wrong with other people's posts?

She is hunting Orcs in her search for Sauron carrying out revenge for Finrod. Unfortunately that is the story they have laid out for us so far. We will just have to see how the whole Faenor angle plays out plus anything else. Everything that happened was way before she left the undying lands. And I doubt anybody would place something that they hate so much on their chest for everybody to see. Can you imagine a Hollywood actor placing a red hat or their head? I would think not. Just something that wouldn’t happen.

It certainly is - we know for a fact she fought "heroically" (Unfinished tales) and "fiercely" alongside her brother Finrod at the sack of Alqualondë.
We know she was renown for her man-like qualities in the sense of being warrior like to the point her mother-name mean't "man-maiden" Tolkien says "[Galadriel] was then of Amazon disposition”.
She was no mere participant in the Noldor's rebellion but was a leader of it.
She personally throws down the walls of Dol Guldur.
And as for "knowing" she wasn't a participant in any major battles in the First Age.... this is based upon a innaccurate understanding of Tolkien's writing - he writes in fragments, there are no real exhaustive lists of who did what when that are intended to be taken as absolute or gospel. These writings are intended to be the tales of people from this fictional setting - not a "canon".
All we can say with certainty is that she probably didn't play a pivotal role in the key events of the First Age, so the likelihood of her being "Commander of the Northern Armies" is extremely low, but to say she took no part at all is an assumption plain and simple.
Not going to argue there because I believe you are right to a degree. I haven't read some of the stuff since the mid 2000s. I am trying to type on a little at work and my books are at home. Trying to do all of this from the top of my head. Plus it is an argument of nuance. Reading the whole passage can play a role in its interpretation. An athletic or “Amazon” build doesn’t make one a warrior. Plus you can assume or infer that magic is involved like blowing down the walls of Dol Guldur. You can say she never took up the sword again after events of Alqualonde because she was so mortified. Not a point worth arguing though. Galadriel was fleshed very late in the legendarism.
He has the gift of foresight - indeed he had the very greatest gift of foresight among his people and he knew that his fate before him was dark.
"Now King Finrod Felagund had no wife, and Galadriel asked him why this should be; but foresight came upon Felagund as she spoke, and he said: 'An oath I too shall swear, and must be free to fulfil it, and go into darkness. Nor shall anything of my realm endure that a son should inherit.'"
I really doubt that is what they were referring to though. Especially, since the boat look up to the stars scene. Sorry, it was just a bad scene.

Yes - but there are practical things to consider here - namely that they don't have rights to the Silmarillion or any of the events described there alone - they have the rights to the Appendices to LOTR which mentions the elements shown in the show but miss some others.

This is the first thing you've said that I completely agree with.

Its a pity yes - but not really anyone's fault.
How so? They were married in the books they have rights to. They were the Middle Earth power couple. :)
Again I suspect the rights issue is to blame here, referencing Morgoth's "best hits" as it were probably falls outside their purview.
There is also the issue of putting too much emphasis on what is essentially a prologue in that if you hype up Morgoth and the events of the First Age too much then you run the risk of casual audiences going "why isn't that the story we're watching".

This is probably necessary given that the events of the Second Age aren't really written in the form of prose, so much as a loose collection of notes between different events that received far more attention such as the Fall Numenor and the Forging of the Rings.

There is some debate with the arrival of the Istari as in other texts Tolkien explicitly states that they begin arriving around the time of Sauron's rising in the Second Age.
The Hobbits/Harfoots story is new, but I don't really have anything against it - like I said in a post above Tolkien wanted to create a world in which others told their own stories.
The Second age is a long time. Definitely would be part of the end of the 2nd age. Part the problem when you try to put thousands of years into perhaps five seasons. And nobody is discussing the abundance of other characters that are not part of the lore. I can give them that since it is such a broad period with very little information. Hopefully that will go very well. I am not going to judge that yet.
 
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She would be a rather flat character.


She is hunting Orcs in her search for Sauron carrying out revenge for Finrod. Well just have to see how the whole Faenor angle plays out. That was way before she left the undying lands.


Not going to argue there because I believe you are right. I haven't read some of the stuff since the mid 2000s.

I really doubt that is what they were referring to though. Especially, since boat look up.


How so? They were married in the books they have rights to.

The Second age is a long time. Definitely would be part of the end of the 2nd age.
 
Haha!! Somebody can just not like the design. Not the end of the world. Most fantasy swords don’t work in the real world. Really not a big deal
 
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Well she is still holding onto the wounds of the First Age - its clearly intended to be part of her character arc.
It wouldn't be very interesting for her character development to happen off screen - would it?
That would be like a Democrat wearing a Republican hat. Trying not use a more political example because politics do not belong in a fantasy discussion.
 
I'm part of that audience as well. I didn't even realize Galadriel was Cate Blanchett's character from LoTR (I did however recognize Elrond so I'm not completely hopeless lol).

I wasn't bored either, and I disagree with Jye about the Galadriel actress being just "ok" - I think she's killing it. I like the Bronwyn character as well. I recognize the actress from Homeland, but don't ask me her name. I was hoping to see her friend Arondir in action against that Orc, but I guess we'll have to wait on that.
I just watched the 2nd episode. I am loving this show. Maybe it’s because of all the disappointments with the Disney Marvel and Star Wars shows. I am loving the tone of this series so far.

Personally I could care less if it’s following the source material. Peter Jackson took many liberties with the LOTR films.

I think the casting has been great. All this bitching about black actors are people looking for something “woke” to ***** about.

Maybe if the show starts preaching about how black elves, black dwarves and black half foots have it so much worse than their white kin, I might start rolling my eyes. But all are cast well, play the characters well, and look great in the parts.

The wife of the Dwarf Prince was great. She came across as a dwarf. Lol.

We are not dealing with Disney casting bad actors for roles just because of their *** and gender. These characters act and feel like a part of middle earth.

Now this show could go off the rails at anytime and get goofy. I hope to see some wars and battles at some point but I am fine with it taking its time. It’s not like LOTR was always a barn burner.
 
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That would be like a Democrat wearing a Republican hat. Trying not use a more political example because politics do not belong in a fantasy discussion.
I have tried really hard to understand the point you are trying to make here but this just simply doesn't make sense to me.
 
She would be a rather flat character from what I can tell since she is so old. Time is time. It is a constant in the universe.
Except it isn't - time is relative, for an immortal who is many thousands of years old a few centuries is the equivalent of a decade or two.
I doubt someone as profound and strong as Galadriel would hold such a grudge over thousands of years.
Except she was perfectly capable of holding grudges, as Tolkien explains with the Faenor example.
Again her learning to let go of some of her rage is clearly intended to be part of her character arc.
But you also have people who only count what Tolkien published since he was alive because he was always tinkering with the lore. Some only only count the Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings and the Silmarillion. Some will take the those five and add the Unfinished Tales. And you can go on from there.
True - this is why the whole idea of a Tolkien "canon" is a little anachronistic - all are equally true.
She is hunting Orcs in her search for Sauron carrying out revenge for Finrod. Unfortunately that is the story they have laid out for us so far.
Different strokes for different folks but I see nothing wrong with that - if her determination to thwart Feanor for harming her kin fueled her in her crossing of the Helcaraxe (despite her agreeing with Faenor regarding the rebellion and them also being kin) then I absolutely can see her being at least equally determined to thwart and enact revenge on Sauron Gorthaur the great and terrible enemy of her people for the cruel torture and murder of her brother Finrod.
We will just have to see how the whole Faenor angle plays out plus anything else.
I don't really expect many callbacks to Faenor in the show - his story is over.
I was using the Faenor example to demonstrate that contrary to popular belief and perception Galadriel was more than capable of wrath, pride, vengefulness and grudge holding and that she was prepared to engage in battle to do so.
Everything that happened was way before she left the undying lands.
I don't really know what you mean here? The sacking of Alqualondë? That happened almost immediately prior to her leaving Valinor.
And I doubt anybody would place something that they hate so much on their chest for everybody to see. Can you imagine a Hollywood actor placing a red hat or their head? I would think not. Just something that wouldn’t happen.
As I said in a previous post thats not the Star of Faenor, which has 16 equal length prongs consisting of 8 points of the star and 8 rays of light - the biggest clue it isn't Faenor's star is that Galadriel's star is gold whereas the star of Faenor is famously silver.
Galadriel's star appears to be a stylised Star of Finarfin (her father's house) - which is famously gold to match their uniquely golden hair (unique among the Noldor), has four larger points in the four cardinal directions and four lesser points in between them. It also has the larger circle at the center same as Galadriel's unlike Faenor's star which has a much smaller circle.
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I really doubt that is what they were referring to though. Especially, since the boat look up to the stars scene. Sorry, it was just a bad scene.
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it bad. This is your subjective opinion and you shouldn't confuse this with objective fact.
From my perspective the ONLY explanation for the line about not always being there is that it is referencing Finrod's knowledge of his dark future, which is why he never took a wife and knew he would never father a son - it seems only logical and the line was relatively clear about it - hence why it is immediately followed by the "we had no words for death" bit. One line followed on from the other.
As for the writing of the line itself - again thats a matter of opinion, I had no problems with it - it was a fairly elaborate metaphor for the difficulty in trying to do the right thing and an acknowledgement that sometimes the only way to know what is right is to make the "wrong" decisions and learn from them. What seems right could turn out to be wrong and whats wrong may end up being right and there is sometimes no way to tell until you experience them.
But again, this is a matter of personal taste whether you like the line itself or not - some people like this sort of writing and some people don't. Nothing inherently wrong with either position.
How so? They were married in the books they have rights to. They were the Middle Earth power couple. :)
There seems to be a mixup here.
I said I agree with you regarding Celeborn - the parts where I was talking about the rights issues limiting things was about Ungoliant and the death of Finrod by Werewolf.
The Second age is a long time. Definitely would be part of the end of the 2nd age. Part the problem when you try to put thousands of years into perhaps five seasons. And nobody is discussing the abundance of other characters that are not part of the lore. I can give them that since it is such a broad period with very little information. Hopefully that will go very well. I am not going to judge that yet.
It certainly is a long time.
Tolkien stated in later texts that the arrival of the Istari was near the time of the Forging of the Rings.
But like I say, which version you go with is a matter or personal taste.
I think its too early for any of us to definitively judge the show for either good or ill at this point. We will see soon enough.
 
The handle is too thin, the blade is too broad and long for the size of a pommel the sword has on it. The balance point would further from the grip than the movie Anduril sword.
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Ok. Have you held a real sword? Or even looked up what their grips are?

Here are three of my longsword that I spar with. All three of their grips are thinner then hers
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The balance on them are just fine. Especially the one in the middle which is the thinnest of them all.

Just for further proof here’s my Spadone (Great Sword which I use for training. Notice it’s grip.

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It too is thinner then the grip on her sword. But yet swings like a dream.
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In truth there is no one “well balanced” in a sword. My Chlebowski feels heavier in hand then my Sigi but they are both the same weight, the Chlebowski though can easily knock a sword out of the way or control in the bind, my Sigi is easier to control in the swing, and doesn’t tire me out as quick. Depending on how I want to fight that day I choose one that is better for that.

If you want to hate the show, that’s fine but don’t make up things to not like about it that just aren’t true.
 
Except it isn't - time is relative, for an immortal who is many thousands of years old a few centuries is the equivalent of a decade or two.
I think we will have disagree since we don't know of any immortals to ask. I always envisioned immortals acting like they do in Highlander.

I don't really know what you mean here? The sacking of Alqualondë? That happened almost immediately prior to her leaving Valinor.

As I said in a previous post thats not the Star of Faenor, which has 16 equal length prongs consisting of 8 points of the star and 8 rays of light - the biggest clue it isn't Faenor's star is that Galadriel's star is gold whereas the star of Faenor is famously silver.
Galadriel's star appears to be a stylised Star of Finarfin (her father's house) - which is famously gold to match their uniquely golden hair (unique among the Noldor), has four larger points in the four cardinal directions and four lesser points in between them. It also has the larger circle at the center same as Galadriel's unlike Faenor's star which has a much smaller circle.
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that is a completely different design to me from the series. Maybe they don't have the rights to that either? You have to really use your imagination on that one.
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it bad. This is your subjective opinion and you shouldn't confuse this with objective fact.
From my perspective the ONLY explanation for the line about not always being there is that it is referencing Finrod's knowledge of his dark future, which is why he never took a wife and knew he would never father a son - it seems only logical and the line was relatively clear about it - hence why it is immediately followed by the "we had no words for death" bit. One line followed on from the other.
As for the writing of the line itself - again thats a matter of opinion, I had no problems with it - it was a fairly elaborate metaphor for the difficulty in trying to do the right thing and an acknowledgement that sometimes the only way to know what is right is to make the "wrong" decisions and learn from them. What seems right could turn out to be wrong and whats wrong may end up being right and there is sometimes no way to tell until you experience them.
But again, this is a matter of personal taste whether you like the line itself or not - some people like this sort of writing and some people don't. Nothing inherently wrong with either position.
Glad you liked it better than me. :)
There seems to be a mixup here.
I said I agree with you regarding Celeborn - the parts where I was talking about the rights issues limiting things was about Ungoliant and the death of Finrod by Werewolf.

It certainly is a long time.
Tolkien stated in later texts that the arrival of the Istari was near the time of the Forging of the Rings.
But like I say, which version you go with is a matter or personal taste.
I think its too early for any of us to definitively judge the show for either good or ill at this point. We will see soon enough.
We will see. Thanks for all the information. I learned a lot. Thanks
 
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Ok. Have you held a real sword? Or even looked up what their grips are?

Here are three of my longsword that I spar with. All three of their grips are thinner then hers View attachment 598123

The balance on them are just fine. Especially the one in the middle which is the thinnest of them all.

Just for further proof here’s my Spadone (Great Sword which I use for training. Notice it’s grip.

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It too is thinner then the grip on her sword. But yet swings like a dream.
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I am sure it swings like a sledgehammer. I prefer an Albion Crecy.
In truth there is no one “well balanced” in a sword. My Chlebowski feels heavier in hand then my Sigi but they are both the same weight, the Chlebowski though can easily knock a sword out of the way or control in the bind, my Sigi is easier to control in the swing, and doesn’t tire me out as quick. Depending on how I want to fight that day I choose one that is better for that.

If you want to hate the show, that’s fine but don’t make up things to not like about it that just aren’t true.
 

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I am sure it swings like a sledgehammer. I prefer an Albion Crecy.
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Hey look who googled modern longsword makers.

Have you actually swung a Crecy or any sword?

I’ve owned and sold a couple. They are pretty to look at but I much prefer other makers such as Sigi, Regenyei, Chlebowski, and Krieger, if I am actually planning on using the sword. Much like everything though choice in sword makers vary between buyers.

So your pic is clearly different then mine. She has two different swords. So your argument is you don’t like the show because of one particular sword she used in the first episode? Seems like a weak reason to hate a entire season.

As for the sword itself that grip seems about the same width as my sparring longswords so no issues there. The blade is shorter though, which would cut down on the weight of the sword, putting more of the weight towards the hand then the tip, totally making swinging it nothing like a sledgehammer since all the weight is at the hammer end and not the grip.
It most likely would be pretty whippy to swing around similar to a Sigi Shorty Feder which is shorter and lighter then the Feder I use. Considering Elves are light and fast it would make sense they’d go for that type of light sword.

You know it’s almost like the show makers put some thought and effort into what types of weapons the different races would use.
 
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Hey look who googled modern longsword makers.

Have you actually swung a Crecy or any sword?

I’ve owned and sold a couple. They are pretty to look at but I much prefer other makers such as Sigi, Regenyei, Chlebowski, and Krieger, if I am actually planning on using the sword. Much like everything though choice in sword makers vary between buyers.

So your pic is clearly different then mine. She has two different swords. So your argument is you don’t like the show because of one particular sword she used in the first episode? Seems like a weak reason to hate a entire season.

As for the sword itself that grip seems about the same width as my sparring longswords so no issues there. The blade is shorter though, which would cut down on the weight of the sword, putting more of the weight towards the hand then the tip, totally making swinging it nothing like a sledgehammer since all the weight is at the hammer end and not the grip.
It most likely would be pretty whippy to swing around similar to a Sigi Shorty Feder which is shorter and lighter then the Feder I use. Considering Elves are light and fast it would make sense they’d go for that type of light sword.

You know it’s almost like the show makers put some thought and effort into what types of weapons the different races would use.
Yes, I have many swords. Those are just photos on my phone right now. I have a Aonion Crecy, the Discerner (Excalibur), the Beastmaster sword, Motohara katana, etc. Have fun. Not interested in a flame war.
 

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