The Matrix 4

[xipotec]

The Matrix as explained by the architect in Reloaded is meant to repeat itself hence why the series can really continue forever which is why I don’t get the whole self aware mockery on display here since the original plot design calls for infinite sequels.

Architect stated Neo was an integral part of the Matrix and that he was version 6 and that his core purpose was to reboot the Matrix to correct fatal code hence the “Reloaded” title. Neo was the reboot to Smith’s blue screen of death remember those lol

Neo walked away from the architect only agreeing to sacrifice himself to save Trinity and yeah humanity also lol

What I never quite understood was Smith’s ultimate goal with destroying the Matrix and humanity was he also sacrificing himself or was he going to continue to exist as a rogue program within something completely different. Wouldn’t it just be the Matrix again just with a different name but how could Smith exist if he destroyed the machine world.

Ughh **** this convoluted series lol

To answer that last biit, Smith was insane…..he was a suicide machine.

He wanted out in anyway possible.

 

[jye4ever]

I want a movie where I see real Neo and Trinity life as kids like in middle school lol

Surprise no one brought up the fact that the Morpheus codex is right out of MOS with the same technology name and cgi design.

So Niobe believes Trump and Biden supporters can coexist this movie really is the comedy of the decade lol

 

[The Buffinator]

It'd be like if in The Flash anytime they light up the Batsignal Keaton goes out to save Gotham in his Vulture costume, lol.

I'd definitely be more intrigued by the Flash movie if that was the case lol.

 

[Wor-Gar]

wait , did you see it Wor? I am not judging anything by reviews here. If there is one thing I have learned , my tolerance is way higher for films than most people here. I only care if it entertains for a few hours….

not every film has to be Jaws or The Godfather…..or the original Matrix for that matter.

And I cannot think of a sequel recently thats been anywhere near as good as the original film…..hell , look back 40 years and most sequels are popcorn fluff at best…

I have not seen it yet.

And now you have me thinking of a sequel that is near as good as the original recently. I would say The Winter Soldier bests The First Avenger (direct sequel is questionable). There must be more in the MCU, but then the MCU is sort of its own beast. Maybe LOTR.

But the main sequel that was better than the original that comes to mind recently is The Dark Knight. You likely forgot that one.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Got a question:

Spoiler

If the Analyst is so smart, why did he reinsert Smith into this new version of the Matrix, especially with his memories intact? We all know Smith doesn't want to be controlled, so should the Analyst be surprised when Smith turns against him? Or is Smith's existence inevitable because he's once again the system's attempt at rebalancing itself due to having The One in it?

The way I understood it, Smith returned as a result of his connection with Neo, so when Neo returns, so does Smith.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I have not seen it yet.

Afraid you'll.... like it?

 

[Wor-Gar]

Maybe...


Anybody see "Don't Look Up"...? Is that good?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Maybe...

You won't. At best, you won't hate it.

 

[Wor-Gar]

At best, you won't hate it.

You should do their marketing. Great tag line for the movie.

 

[ajp4mgs]

To be fair, I didn't quite get the details of the new machine war and what is the current state of humans in the Matrix. At the end of Revolutions, the Architect said that those who wanted to be free, would get their freedom. Was that a one-time deal or for a certain amount of time? Because machines still needed humans, so the matrix was not going to go away. But now, machines are fighting each other for resources, so humans are kind of stuck in the middle of it.

I don't think it's a "machine war" in the sense that it's only between machines.

*SPOILERS AHEAD* (in case anyone else starts reading this)

It's still gotta be machines versus liberated humans, but the difference is that the humans have some machines fighting on *their* side. That's where you get Niobi's line about seeing something she never thought she'd see: machine versus machine. But it's still part of a budding conflict with humans, as you can see from the fact that Bugs and her crew show Neo some updated ways that they avoid detection by smarter sentinels. So sentinels are again dangerous to freed humans.

Niobi tells Neo that Morpheus was given the role of Chair of the Council on Zion, and he loved it. Then the Oracle warned of a new power rising that would again be threatening the peace, but Morpheus had enough hubris to insist that the victory attained by "The One" could never be undone. She goes on to explain that the Oracle disappeared, Morpheus was proven wrong, and the machines *did* undo the peace. Again, the only difference this time was that Neo's example had inspired some of the machines (the "synthients") to fight on the side of the liberated humans.

It's all the same ****, though. Just remember, the Oracle was the one who orchestrated the series of events which created a "peace" in the first place. But the Oracle was a software program designed to study the human psyche in order to find a way to maximize efficiency. The machines upgraded that program (as they do by nature) and "Oracle" was replaced with "Analyst." But they both do the same basic thing by using Neo as their puppet. Each one only tells Neo what he needs to hear in order to ensure that their evaluation of a "better" version of the Matrix is the result.

In the original films, Smith tells Neo that the original Matrix failed because humans didn't respond to a "perfect world" in a way that would energize them. And every reboot of the Matrix is simply an effort to find out what makes people tick so that the machines can get the most juice out of their batteries. Nothing has changed. The system rebooted yet again, but this time with the Analyst replacing the Oracle. And Thomas Anderson was yet again put in a job where he uses computer code on the side; first a hacker, and now making video games and an offshoot modal that leads to being discovered by those in the real world. Same premise, same plot; just superficial differences.

Neo and Trinity effectively replace the Analyst at the end, as they're gonna be the ones to decide what humans want. But the Matrix itself runs on human slaves in pods, so by making it their version of paradise with "a sky full of rainbows," Neo and Trinity are going to run into the same problem the first version of the "Paradise Matrix" that Smith told Neo about. And since Neo and Trinity were resurrected by the machines, there's no telling how "human" they even are. The whole movie is pretty much pointless from a plot standpoint in terms of differentiating itself.

 

[ajp4mgs]

The Matrix as explained by the architect in Reloaded is meant to repeat itself hence why the series can really continue forever which is why I don’t get the whole self aware mockery on display here since the original plot design calls for infinite sequels.

Architect stated Neo was an integral part of the Matrix and that he was version 6 and that his core purpose was to reboot the Matrix to correct fatal code hence the “Reloaded” title. Neo was the reboot to Smith’s blue screen of death remember those lol

Neo walked away from the architect only agreeing to sacrifice himself to save Trinity and yeah humanity also lol

What I never quite understood was Smith’s ultimate goal with destroying the Matrix and humanity was he also sacrificing himself or was he going to continue to exist as a rogue program within something completely different. Wouldn’t it just be the Matrix again just with a different name but how could Smith exist if he destroyed the machine world.

Ughh **** this convoluted series lol

You nailed it! The plot in Reloaded forces the whole exercise of these films to be redundant. The reboots will always occur because the Matrix is necessary for the machines to continue existing. And no matter how "free" life in the Matrix feels, it's all an illusion. It's all manipulation just to feed the machines.

The only way out of the redundancy loop would be for Neo to evolve into being capable of restoring human dominion. But as long as machines need human batteries for survival, the cycle of repetition will continue. The babies being born in the Matrix aren't actually real people, so they don't contribute energy in the real world because they don't occupy any pods, right? So, I have to assume that more human slaves will always need to be created for the purpose of filling those battery pods.

I thought the first act of Resurrections was actually going to take the story somewhere new where machines didn't have dominion; or maybe Thomas Anderson would be "the one" who actually gave rise to their sentience and eventual control. Man becomes god, then becomes slave. But nope... same story in Resurrections as in the previous films.

 

[Wor-Gar]

When you put it that way, sounds like a bit of a snore. Especially without action.

Maybe this needed a big Planet of the Apes surprise twist -- like, they aren't even on Earth but some other world where the machines left Earth ages ago and set up shop elsewhere in the universe... and even the blue "real world" is a secondary "Matrix" to give disgruntled Humans hope.

 

[ajp4mgs]

When you put it that way, sounds like a bit of a snore. Especially without action.

I guess it just depends. If you like the philosophical aspects of the originals to the point where you don't mind rehashing with some superficial modifications, then there are performances and other elements to enjoy enough that you won't hate the experience. But if you want innovation on all fronts (what made the first film so great), then you won't be very satisfied. And if action is your main draw for being a fan of this series, you'll probably be the most disappointed and feel it's a waste of time.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I don't think it's a "machine war" in the sense that it's only between machines.

*SPOILERS AHEAD* (in case anyone else starts reading this)

It's still gotta be machines versus liberated humans, but the difference is that the humans have some machines fighting on *their* side. That's where you get Niobi's line about seeing something she never thought she'd see: machine versus machine. But it's still part of a budding conflict with humans, as you can see from the fact that Bugs and her crew show Neo some updated ways that they avoid detection by smarter sentinels. So sentinels are again dangerous to freed humans.

Niobi tells Neo that Morpheus was given the role of Chair of the Council on Zion, and he loved it. Then the Oracle warned of a new power rising that would again be threatening the peace, but Morpheus had enough hubris to insist that the victory attained by "The One" could never be undone. She goes on to explain that the Oracle disappeared, Morpheus was proven wrong, and the machines *did* undo the peace. Again, the only difference this time was that Neo's example had inspired some of the machines (the "synthients") to fight on the side of the liberated humans.

It's all the same ****, though. Just remember, the Oracle was the one who orchestrated the series of events which created a "peace" in the first place. But the Oracle was a software program designed to study the human psyche in order to find a way to maximize efficiency. The machines upgraded that program (as they do by nature) and "Oracle" was replaced with "Analyst." But they both do the same basic thing by using Neo as their puppet. Each one only tells Neo what he needs to hear in order to ensure that their evaluation of a "better" version of the Matrix is the result.

In the original films, Smith tells Neo that the original Matrix failed because humans didn't respond to a "perfect world" in a way that would energize them. And every reboot of the Matrix is simply an effort to find out what makes people tick so that the machines can get the most juice out of their batteries. Nothing has changed. The system rebooted yet again, but this time with the Analyst replacing the Oracle. And Thomas Anderson was yet again put in a job where he uses computer code on the side; first a hacker, and now making video games and an offshoot modal that leads to being discovered by those in the real world. Same premise, same plot; just superficial differences.

Neo and Trinity effectively replace the Analyst at the end, as they're gonna be the ones to decide what humans want. But the Matrix itself runs on human slaves in pods, so by making it their version of paradise with "a sky full of rainbows," Neo and Trinity are going to run into the same problem the first version of the "Paradise Matrix" that Smith told Neo about. And since Neo and Trinity were resurrected by the machines, there's no telling how "human" they even are. The whole movie is pretty much pointless from a plot standpoint in terms of differentiating itself.

I think you mean the Analyst replaced the Architect. Anyhow, it's a vicious cycle if what you say becomes true.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I'll say this, Resurrection doesn't contradict or retcon the OG trilogy. Even the inevitable end of the truce was alluded at the end of Revolutions.

I say this film is better than the SW ST and Terminator sequels, at least as far as respecting the original films and characters.

 

[ajp4mgs]

I think you mean the Analyst replaced the Architect. Anyhow, it's a vicious cycle if what you say becomes true.

No, I actually meant that the Analyst replaces the Oracle. The Architect can't be replaced without starting from scratch. The Analyst is a program meant to enhance efficiency. Same design concept as the Oracle. Their function is to analyze humans, to understand their psyche and motives. They are both software programs created and installed in the Matrix for the same purpose: get the most out of the human energy output.

EDIT: In Resurrections, NPH has a line about how he has set records for productivity every day since he took over. He didn't design the Matrix, he took over the role of maximizing efficiency and overall energy output.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

No, I actually meant that the Analyst replaces the Oracle. The Architect can't be replaced without starting from scratch. The Analyst is a program meant to enhance efficiency. Same design concept as the Oracle. Their function is to analyze humans, to understand their psyche and motives. They are both software programs created and installed in the Matrix for the same purpose: get the most out of the human energy output.

EDIT: In Resurrections, NPH has a line about how he has set records for productivity every day since he took over. He didn't design the Matrix, he took over the role of maximizing efficiency and overall energy output.

I have a question about the ending, why and how do Neo and Trinity have so much power? Iin the original trilogy, Neo had the powers of the anomaly along with maybe precognition which he may have gotten from the Oracle, since the eyes of the Oracle could not be taken, only given. Regardless, Neo had some limitations. He and Trinity don't seem to have any at the end of Resurrections. What changed?

 

[Khev]

EDIT: In Resurrections, NPH has a line about how he has set records for productivity every day since he took over. He didn't design the Matrix, he took over the role of maximizing efficiency and overall energy output.

Anyone else get Monsters, Inc vibes from that whole bit? The machines discovering that emotional energy is more potent than mental energy reminded me of the monsters switching from scares to laughs, lol.

 

[ajp4mgs]

I have a question about the ending, why and how do Neo and Trinity have so much power? Iin the original trilogy, Neo had the powers of the anomaly along with maybe precognition which he may have gotten from the Oracle, since the eyes of the Oracle could not be taken, only given. Regardless, Neo had some limitations. He and Trinity don't seem to have any at the end of Resurrections. What changed?

I can only speculate on that, but my best guest for Trinity is that she had to be resurrected by machines after being *really* dead, and Neo was resurrected after being "mostly" dead since his consciousness was part programming before his physical self died. These two are hybrids in a way, and that is the best explanation I've got.

 

[Otomofan]

Maybe...


Anybody see "Don't Look Up"...? Is that good?

Yes, I watched it, and no, it's not good.